Is it possible for a main dealer to unregister a brand new car with the DVLA after its been registered to someone?
The reason i ask is that i have been into the Citreon main dealers today to ask about a 1.6 petrol VTR+NAV C5.
After discussing my requirements he pointed to a C5 in the car park and told me this sorry tale.He said that they had ordered a diesel C5 for a customer and it was registered to him.When it arrived they realised it was a petrol 1.6 model.They then had to sell him an alternative car and are now in the process of deregistering the car so that it can be sold as one owner.They have said that if they cannot get it deregistered then it will be classed as a prereg model.
Now the list price for a brand new factory car i am looking at is £21000 with paint.They will only drop to £20500.A popular car magazine says that the target price is £19500(with paint) so theres still some room for coming down on price.
Now assuming that the car they have in stock remains preregistered then whats a good price to offer assuming that it is a 59 plate(with 1 mile on the clock) compared to a March delivery and a 10 plate.
I would have thought at least £500 off the target price of £19500.So £18995 would be ok with me.
Do you think that this is a fair price or should i try harder?
I know i can get it cheaper online but my wife wants to stick with our local main dealer even though his prices seem high to me.
Any advice would be most appreciated.
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Do you really want a BIG car like that with the engine from a MINI? 1.6 petrol isnt enough and you'll never sell it on again. Get a diesel, and get it from somewhere that doesnt order the wrong car for customers too.
And yes, it used to be possible to unregister a car.
Edited by J500ANT on 16/01/2010 at 17:44
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They are available for £18,556.00 on drive the deal.com, which i still think is too expensive for a car like this with a 1.6 engine.
The Diesel is £18,556.00 which is much better suited to a large car. At least get the dealer to match these prices.
Im not knocking the car as I think the shape is really nice, but these mainstream cars drop like a brick. If your spending that kind of money your probably better to look at a German marque. Granted you wont get the same level of equipment but it will be worth a lot more in a few years time, unless you plan to keep the car forever or similar.
Edited by audiA6tdi on 16/01/2010 at 17:54
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There are 09 reg VTR+ Navs for under £12000 on Autotrader (from Citreon dealers). That's an awful lot of money to lose. And I can't imagine a petrol model having very good residuals either.
The 'What Car' depreciation calculator doesn't make pretty reading either, with a forecast of only being worth £6000 after 3 years. Not suggesting it's a bad car in any way, but I think you can get a much better deal with some hard haggling.
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Why bother shoe-horning what you want in terms of spec., because a dealer happens to have one hanging about? It seems to me you're trying to find reasons to buy the car - at a not very competitive price - because it's there. FWIW, I would think buying a petrol 1.6 at near list price is a recipe for depreciation disaster.
If you can put up with a 1-owner car they are 100s on autotrader looking for a home - and much,much less than the telephone numbers you've been quoted. Forget this local dealer stuff - if they're a good dealer they're a good dealer or vice versa. Doesn't matter a jot where you buy from - just because you buy the car from then doesn't guarantee anything.
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This would be the new 1.6 155hp chain cam Euro V engine with excellent performance and economy plus reduced VED that replaces the 2.0?? So no second class choice.
If you have any draw to the new C5 I'd say, after just over two weeks with mine, consider one very seriously. They have a few quirks but they do feel solid/quality in a way Citroen have never quite managed before. The levels of ride and refinement are very impressive.
I'd be happy to leave the first "owner" on there and hassle for a greater discount to reflect this if the car is otherwise right for you.
As a matter of interest our local dealer has just sent us a mailshot offering new cars at cost to them prices for a limited period.
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MM is there a price for the 1.6 on your flyer?
The 1.6 has 155bhp which is 15 more than my Vectra and that can shift if you want it to.
The drive the deal price is £18951 inc paint(you have to add paint or else opt for white which i don't want.)
The C5 range has just been updated and now includes colour sat nav as standard where as an 09 plate does not.
Any idea what price to offer for the prereg one?
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First did you see my initial thoughts on the C5 I posted here...
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?f=2&t=64...3
I'm growing to like it even more each day I drive it.
My 09 car has colour satnav... do you perhaps mean the 3D version with real view major landmarks?
There was no list of prices from my dealer... you have to call. I can't really offer advice on the deal other than... if you offer something sensible then walk away it will test their nerve.
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>>Any idea what price to offer for the prereg one? >>
The dealer has a problem, the car is reg'd to another customer so difficult to use even as a demo without the dealer being the 2nd owner and the subsequent buyer the 3rd. Afterall I wouldnt want a car reg'd in my name being driven by numerous salesmen and their prospective customers, imagine the NiPs coming through the door.
Offer a couple of grand off on the basis that you become the 2nd owner and solve their problem., On the basis of the prices you quote (around £18500) perhaps offer £15750 with a view to going to £16500.
EDIT: I found the 1.6 Ford/Peugeot diesel a little harsh in the C4 Picasso, reckon the 1.6 petrol turbo might be a better bet unless you are doing 40k + miles a year.
Edited by cheddar on 17/01/2010 at 10:57
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When I sold cars in the 1980s, it was possible to unregister a new car.
We did it a couple of times.
Bit of a faff on, and the main problem for the dealer is the car is 'in limbo' for a few weeks.
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cheddar said... EDIT: I found the 1.6 Ford/Peugeot diesel a little harsh in the C4 Picasso, reckon the 1.6 petrol turbo might be a better bet unless you are doing 40k + miles a year.
A very fair point cheddar. We hired a C4 Picasso for our summer hols to Scotland in 2007 and that was a 1.6HDi. It was a nice vehicle but I thought the engine less refined, and less economical, than I'd hoped.
On the new C5 they have paid huge attention to soundproofing and refinement so that's not an issue. Oddly the fuel consumption of our C5 Tourer is 4-5mpg better than we managed in the Picasso.
Sounds like videodoctor is a petrol guy anyway or he wouldn't be considering the model on offer.
The more I think about it the more I reckon I'd be happy if they matched the cheapest broker price. Then you could offset the extra owner on the V5 with the advantage of using the local dealer to please Mrs V
Edited by M.M on 17/01/2010 at 11:20
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MM, is your C5 a 1.6d then?
In NVH terms the C4 Picasso suffered from H, a little harshness, rather than noise and vibration, I have also done 1500 miles in a C-Max with this engine which was better though still a little harsh compared to my Mondeo.
Reckon the 2.0 version of the Ford/Peugeot engine is more refined.
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When I sold cars in the 1980s it was possible to unregister a new car.
I can remember it being done too, but I thought DVLA had stopped the ability to unregister now to stop sales figures being manipulated. I've certainly seen cars advertised as "registered in error" - if it could be cancelled then there would be no need for that.
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...I can remember it being done too, but I thought DVLA had stopped the ability to unregister now to stop sales figures being manipulated....
Don't think they were too keen when we asked them to do it.
The garage - a Renault dealer - was privately owned and I think we had the reputation, at least with the local licensing office, of being dead straight.
The car was still unsaleable and untransferable to another dealer for several weeks, so I can understand the dealers where cashflow and turnover is king wanting to sell the car as a pre-reg.
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