I've waxoyled my own cars in the past, and i had the pick up professionally proofed at Rustmaster last year..i won't do another diy complete job again, but will top up and splosh some about if i see the need arising.
I think you can do just as good a job as the pro's but it is horrible filthy and a lengthy process to get in all the seams, holes, doors bonnet boot etc and box sections.
To do a thorough home waxoyling will take a full day just spraying/painting and another 2 half days stripping out panels/carpets etc and reassembling.
I daresay some products are better than others, however any of them are better than nothing.
take a tip, tip the first batch over your head before you start, most of the subsequent lots will end up there anyway so use your hair as an extra brush, or use a syrup.;)
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It is best to have it done professionally via compressor and various wands to get in the box sections etc. Done this way Waxoyl is good because the compressor atomises it properly, the "home use" kits just don't do that.
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Rustmaster quoted £360 + VAT to do my Ford Ka, compared to JR Classics who will do it for £195. I can't see much difference in the quality of work between the two. I have found Land Rover enthusiasts that recommend both of these companies.
As others have said, the cheap DIY kits sold by Waxoyl are rubbish.
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I have used Waxoyl in the past.
I no longer do. Dinitrol and Supertrol are far better, They flow into crevices and then spirits evaporate and they leave a thick sticky residue which halts rust.
Waxoyl on top of rust does not penetrate - unless thinned a lot and applied in HOT weather.
Morris Minor box sections rot inside . You need a penetrating type of preservative. Waxoyl is no good.. I have had rusting under waxoyl .. even on external seam welds..
When I did apply Waxoyl I thinned it with 20% white spirit, immersed it in hot water or left in the sun and applied on a warm day. And the spent weeks cleaning up under the car.
I use Supertrol and it is far easier to apply..Buy in bulk and it is much cheaper.
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Dinitrol and Supertrol are far better >> I use Supertrol and it is far easier to apply..Buy in bulk and it is much cheaper.
What is the difference between the two products? They are made by the same company aren't they?
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It's pointless doing the bits you can see - you are better off with basic black chassis paint.
The whole point is to blast it (or something similar) into the box and chassis sections.
It's likewise also pointless just squirting it into a chassis full of dirt, flaking rust, etc.
Make up a thin extension hose to a vacuum cleaner and feed this inside first, sucking out any debris you can find.
The Waxoyl needs to be as thin as possible to stand a chance of getting right inside and soaking into the crevices. Dilute it a bit with white spirit, and stand the whole can in a bucket of boiling water for half an hour before starting.
In my experience the thin hose with the nail in the end is useless. It doesn't give a proper jet, just vaguely dribbles out. I think it is better to identify as many existing access holes you can find, and add to these in keys spots by withdrawing any bolts or fastenings, or drilling some new holes. With a hole say every 2 feet, angling the sprayer, and using really hot Waxoyl, you can hear it blasting around inside the chassis.
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What is the difference between the two products? They are made by the same company aren't they?
Price and availability as far as I can see.
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just to advise anybody doing this job themselves and heating the waxoyl type product up in a bucket of boiling water (i use a kettle ) they must take the top off the product or it will explode,just like the hole in the schutz gun must be clear or the gun will explode :-(
anyone else done that,?not a pretty site is it gunge everywhere
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True story that has been on the LR forums for a few years... anyone who's had dripping Waxoyl in the face while DIYing the job will appreciate this...
Waxoil….
I really wanted to get some of this into the Land Rover's chassis before I started using it. I had gone to halfords and bought 2 gallons, and knocked off work early.
I also had the real benefit that SWMBO was out so I had since 3.00pm been shoving the 2 gallon cans into the sink with near boiling water. I should have known things were going to go “slightly wrong” when I started.
I decided to use a Waxoil gun and my compressor, I had the propane burner on in the workshop since 3.00pm flat out and it was like the sahara, in fact it was so hot I decided a T-shirt and shorts was the dress code.
Grabbing some white spirit to further thin the waxoil I entered the kitchen and unscrewed the waxoil lid.
Thhhhuuuumpppppppp !…grwat big snotty big dollop spewed out over the kitchen worksurface... no probs I thought, ...I’ll sort that out when I’ve finished, as I might make "a little bit more mess yet".... glad she's not in.
Clutching hot waxoil injector thingy, part filled with waxoil and mixed with very very warm white spirit I squirted and soaked the chassis blasting away, and also practising holding my breath as it went misty in the workshop.
1 Gallon later I was nearly there, I was at the rear cross member, with yet another huge refill.
I ought to point out that I had also decided that at some of the angles I was at pulling and holding the trigger was a pain so I had devised a cunning lock of an elastic band on the trigger so that I could let it do it things whilst it sprayed away. Shove tube into hole and pull trigger… lock and waggle etc.
Enter the cat.
It sat there and looked at me the way only a cat can... it sniffed (unapprovingly) the dripped waxoil, and I said…
“Huh, you don’t want to be in here matey, this stuff will stick to your fur like brown stuff to a blanket”……and at that very point the jammed on tube extension came off the gun.
Could I release the elastic band round the trigger ? Could I XXXXXX.
The gun squirted warm waxoil/white spirit out at a force never so far experienced, one particularly good jet hit the cat, who bolted, knocking over the 2/3 empty (1/3 full!!) can of hot waxoil/white spirt mix, which flowed oh so well under the landy, and into my clothes T shirt and clothes and skin areas exposed..., but I was still fighting with the hot octopus trying to switch the damned thing off, but I failed, I was saved when it ran out.
Just when I thought nothing could get worse than lying under a Land Rover with waxoil soaked clothes, waxoil dripping onto my hair and face, and running into my ears... Some waxoil drpped onto the lead lamp... ping... Blackness.
It also pinged the fuse for the lighting circuit, getting myself out of the underneath of the landy proved friutfull, in that I knew all the places that waxoil had “leaked”.
Removing dripping clothes I entered house in “minimal Clothes” to resolve fuse prob, when Lights went on I saw the cat…
I AM GOING TO DIE IF SHE SEES THIS !
Here Puddie cattie……
This did not improve the sink/kitchen area one little jot, .....ever tried holding a 'waxoiled cat' in a sink with water and rags, and especially when cat does not enjoy it ?
1 hour later cat was scrubbed and very peed off with me, I’ve had 2 baths, and also cleaned the bath it seems that the bath will not be rusty...scrubbed kitchen floor, sink, worktop
Will she notice?
Cat stinks, garage sticks, alley way stinks, I stink, kitchen smells of lemon washing up liquid, which strangely we seem to nearly be out of, floor stinks.
She will be back any minute [gulp]. Nice job on the Landy tho....... :-)))
...later that evening...... Alleyway door closes and SWMBO walks in..... "have a nice time dear ?......." "what the HELL is that smell ?"
"Smell ?....er do you mean the waxoil ?" "Is that what it is - its disgusting" "Er..really"....
"yes really, the alleyway stinks, I mean I could smell it when I got out of the car..."
"er...really ?"
"yes, Really, I mean its stinking everywhere out, its even permutated the house " "really"
"yes really and [ picks up cat - I look away at telly and pray]...and ....good grief even the cat smells of it its ....[ at this point the cat growls.....probably hand enough of being "handled" during the evening...]..."WELL if your going to be like that madam you grumpy old thing" ...[places cat down firmly - cat grumbles some more].. cat exits still grumbling
"Charming... well... Anyway, have you finished?"
THOUGHTS...............
I've got away with it...."all done"...I've got away with it...."think I'll have a beer"...I've got away with it....I've got away with it...."Would you like a glass of wine ?"....I've got away with it....yippee....I've got away with it....and
SHE'S GOT THE HUMP WITH THE CAT TOO - NOT ME !!
Beer.... Bed.... RESULT....... !
But a bit close for comfort......far to close
Edited by Webmaster on 08/01/2010 at 01:15
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Thank you MM, I really enjoyed that!
It made me laugh out loud. The beauty of it was that I could picture the scene.
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just to advise anybody doing this job themselves and heating the waxoyl type product up in a bucket of boiling water (i use a kettle )
Humph. I used to heat it up on the camping stove, outside, in a galvanised pail, with the paraffin sloshed in, stirring it up with a stick.
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Hey! How about we have a HJ Backroom Waxoyl reunion weekend?
We could all meet at my garage, have a few beers and take in turns to slid under the Moggie to pump some more Waxoyl in.
It would be such fun!
Just like old times.
Edited by drbe on 07/01/2010 at 11:48
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I once owned a 1969 convertible until 1996- great car but what a rot box.
1st thing the check is if the car is structually sound, i.e does a door fly open when you corner sharply , and if you jack the car up, does the body bend. If it does, you need to get the x-member replaced - not a trivial job
I would then rust treat it every way / where you can, and keep it in a warm cosy garage.
If it rains, make sure you don't have wet carpets from drip/leaks from the hood, otherwise you can find the rear floor rotting from the inside.
MVP
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www.frost.co.uk/item_Detail.asp?productID=9321
I am thinking about buying this, and then getting a professional to apply using their equipment, etc.
Thoughts?
Edited by Jcoventry on 08/01/2010 at 19:13
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I've used Waxoyl and didn't think much of it.
Used as directed, the sprayer clogged continually, and the stuff penetrated poorly.
Long term, it forms a semi-solid skin of wax (demi-semi-solid in average Scottish temperatures) under which rust continues.
It might even trap moisture under this skin, though I can't confirm that.
More recently, I've used motor oil, thinned with diesel or kerosene to the point where it can be sprayed with one of those cheapo trigger-action hand sprayers, though a proper cavity sprayer would probably be better.
This is easy to do and costs next to nothing. The oil doesn't solidify so its self repairing, and highly penetrative.
Diesel is slightly more available and has a higher molecular weight than kerosene so its slightly more protective in its own right, but it smells unpleasant and stings the eyes, so I prefer kerosene. White spirit would evaporate if one wanted to build up multiple sprayings, as would water.
If one wanted a material that skinned-over, vegetable oil will do so eventually, but stays liquid for long enough to penetrate a lot better than Waxoyl, and has the advantage that it wont attack rubber, which mineral oil theoretically could. I've sprayed a water-vegetable oil emulsion on a motorcyle, but havn't as yet used it on a car.
Next time I do a car I'll probably use a kerosene/motor oil/vegetable oil mix, maybe 3:1 on the oils. I'm not sure if the veg oil skinning is desirable, but I think it may render the treatment more resistant to wash-off where this might be an issue, say in the wheel arches.
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Have used Waxoyl and Dinitrol.
To repeat after more experience of Dinitrol...
Waxoyl is easy to apply.
Dinitrol is less easy.
Waxoyl does not work very well and washes off if in area subject to water spray. Dintrol does not.
Rust continues under Waxoyl and it peels off. Not under Dinitrol.
Waxoyl does not creep . Dinotrol does .
Waxoyl is a cheap easy to apply poor quality fluid. Dinitrol is far superior in every way... BUT must be applied in warm conditions..
Edited by madf on 09/05/2010 at 19:53
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Where can I purchase Dinotrol in the Brighton/ East Sussex area. It seems like a very good product from what I read here.
Greg
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Ebay
You can buy in can form or for use with a compressed air sprayer..
tinyurl.com/2wpldh2
4941 is for underbody, 3125 for cavity.
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I dilute the Waxoil with White spirit and spray it with a paraffin gun;need to leave it to evaporate afterwards tho'.
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