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Fun supposed to start at 6pm here in Reading, although I can see the odd flake through the window now. Tomorrow's commute could be interesting...
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Friend who lives on the east Manchester/Tameside border could not go to work today, apparantly its about 1.5 foot deep over there.
Seems to be about 5-6 inches here and still snowing lightly.
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Also our Tesco delivery has been canceled, my dad managed to walk to Morrisons and found the shelves are all half empty. It seems they have not got deliveries either. If this continues Britian will come to a stand hill.
We can cure cancer but we can't cope with a little bit of snow.
Not sure why that caused the swear filter. Also I said was worried about my grandmas funeral in scumthorpe (spelt wrong in order not to activate the swear filter) unless it clears.
Edited by Rattle on 05/01/2010 at 11:39
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A "sand hill" surely ?
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Just getting our first few inches here in the west of the west midlands! Rest day today and tomorrow... perfect timing! ;)
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Just been speaking to one of my old Scottish skiing buddies. He's just returned from three weeks in Switzerland with his family on a Christmas ski trip. He's a very experienced skier and has a deserved reputation for utter fearlessness on the snow. Made it all the way back in his Disco without problems and promptly fell out of his car on his way to the front door and broke his leg. It's not at all funny, really it's not, poor guy .........
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We can cure cancer but we can't cope with a little bit of snow.
we cant cure cancer yet, in Manchester or elsewhere,
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Having lost a grandad because of it I am aware of that, but there are also lots and lots of people that make a full recovery from it. We have made some amazing advances in cancer treatment. It seems bizzare that we cannot cope with the logistics of snow.
Getting back to topic some pink fluffy dice has made snowballs out of my car :(
I think I am turning into Victor Meldrew.
Edited by Webmaster on 06/01/2010 at 00:52
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> It seems bizzare that we cannot cope with the logistics of snow.
We can. Its perfectly feasible and possible to prepare for, and cope with, any amount of snow anywhere in the uk at any time.
You, me and the rest of the back room and country, can not however afford to pay what this would cost.
You said "this is the worse snow I have ever seen" Assuming your are over 20, do you really want to invest in a support infrastructure for a one in 20 event?
In truth this is the worse winter since 79. That makes it a one in 30 event.
It a risk you accept for cost reasons.
Edited by Altea Ego on 05/01/2010 at 11:51
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I bet the car body repairers just love these road conditions, I wonder if the waiting times for repairs are going up yet. My council ran out of salt/grit yesterday and the roads are lethal. I ventured onto the roads this morning and the greatest risks were people sliding out of side roads and tailgating at 20 MPH on ice. Glad I don't need my car to survive, it is staying in the garage until conditions improve.
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Fun supposed to start at 6pm here in Reading
...and it's started - looking quite picturesque already. Tonight's band rehearsal just down the road has been canceled.
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>>Tonight's band rehearsal just down the road has been canceled.
See.... they are right about clouds having silver linings!
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The sun doesn't bring the roads to a halt though, OS. Only the railways ;-)
This made me chuckle (From the Telegraph) tinyurl.com/yeptaqh
"Matt Dobson, forecaster for MeteoGroup, the Press Association's weather division, said last month had been the coldest December for 13 years. "It has been the coldest December on average since 1996," he said. "The second half of the month was very cold indeed but the first half was relatively mild. If it had been colder in the first few weeks we would have seen more records broken."..........
The cold weather comes despite the Met Office?s long range forecast, published, in October, of a mild winter. That followed its earlier inaccurate prediction of a ?barbecue summer?, which then saw heavy rainfall and the wettest July for almost 100 years"
:-)
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If I was in government I would say to MET office, improve your forcasts and if you can't do long distance ones reliably then we will cut your funding for it because its pointless. I realise metrology is a very complicated science, I studied the basics of it and its a very difficult subject but the punter on the street just wants a reliable forcast.
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I realise metrology is a very complicated science....
Metrology can be quite exacting when high accuracy levels are required.
Meteorology, however, is an altogether more arcane subject :-)
My uncle used to work for the Met Office in Bracknell many years ago, and at the time they employed some of the most powerful computing power available in the country to perform their atmospheric simulations.
I cynically suspect that somewhere buried in the programming code lies something like:
IF (Sky=Red AND TIME>1800) THEN Delight ELSE Warning
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The ECMWF now has the most powerfull hardware in the UK.
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The latest super computer at the Met Office is far more powerful than the last one let alone the ones used in the 1980s (they once had some Cyber 205's I think). But the model for simulating weather is based on solving differential equations. I do wonder if climate change is rendering the model less accurate these days.
www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporate/pressoffice/2008/pr...l
Edited by rtj70 on 05/01/2010 at 12:19
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do wonder if climate change is rendering the model less accurate these days.
Can someone please tell me when the climate has been entirely stable and unchanging?
Welcome to the new religion. The new age of unreason. Bizarrely inflicted upon us in the name of science.
Don't believe.
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What language is that? Seems like a mixture of BASIC and C.
It should be:-
if (Sky==red && time > 1800)
{
Delight();
}
else
{
Warning();
{
Actuallty what is the operator for AND in C? Been too long. I miss programming.
I have not bothered to write the functions for dlight or warning. This has given me an idea I may write a simple PHP page later which uses a web service to get the current temperature. I can then do some joke future forecasts based on the factual value of todays temeprature.
I still bet that is more accurate than the MET has been lately. The BBC forcast for Manchester in the past three days had been sunny.
I think the government relies to much of the MET for logistical planning and its bitten them hard.
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if (Sky==red && time > 1800) Actuallty what is the operator for AND in C? Been too long. I miss programming.
well remembered :-)
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The met office have just taken delivery of this new massivly powerful machine
bdb.co.za/shackle/articles/weather_stone.htm
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IF (Sky=Red AND TIME>1800) THEN Delight ELSE Warning
That's fantastic and is added to my over extensive "I intend to plagiarize as soon as possible " list.
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That followed its earlier inaccurate prediction of a ?barbecue summer?, which then saw heavy rainfall and the wettest July for almost 100 years"
For Norfolk that was not too far out- Above average sunshine and summer rainfall about 30% of average
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The following Telegraph article might explain why:
"UK Met Office has been, since 1990, at the very centre of the campaign to convince the world that it faces catastrophe through global warming. (Its website now proclaims it to be "the Met Office for Weather and Climate Change".) "
Full article at:
tinyurl.com/yhxazln
Does anyone smell a rat? (Clue: - motoring, green and need to raise revenue !!!)
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Does anyone smell a rat? (Clue: - motoring green and need to raise revenue !!!)
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Rat and fish! (sorry Michael).
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Agreed Bazza, I am ever more sceptical about man's influence on climate.
BTW it's snowing here now.
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I don't deny climate change, but I no longer trust what the government say on the matter. However we cannot carry on with our 8mpg V8s because the fact we are running out of fuel is a fact which cannot be disputed.
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Next door neighbour has just arrived home in her fwd Polo - screaming the bearings off it with much sliding to park - closely followed by the Postie in his Transit Connect - just trundled in and parked as normal-----
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However we cannot carry on with our 8mpg V8s .....................
Totally agree but our dwindling fossil fuel reserves and world economic growth/reliance on oil etc is a separate issue in itself. It's the twisting of scientific facts and the meddling of government to suit its own needs that is most worrying.
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Four points there Rattle:
I don't deny climate change >>
Neither do I, the question is whether man is influencing it or not.
I no longer trust what the government say on the matter. >>
Agreed, it is being used for political capital.
>>However we cannot carry on with our 8mpg V8s >>
Not many do only 8mpg Rattle though it is undeniable better to run a 20mpg V8 into the ground than to cause a 60mpg new car to be built due to the embedded carbon in a new car. (not that it would stop me buying a new car I should say)
because the fact we are running out of fuel is a fact which cannot be disputed.
Saving energy are climate change are two different issues that get (in)conveniently rolled into one by the politicos, i.e one ex US VP.
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The head of the Met Office has just had a 25% performance bonus.
Something about improving forecasting accuracy..100 years in the future I guess?
The Met Office is governed by a global warming leader so anything it says should be treated with the utmost respect contempt.
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So far I have found weather.co.uk to be more accurate than anything the MET has said.
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Seen that "flash warning" thingy for tonight on the lunchtime telly? I was going to the South West tomorrow, think I'll make it Thursday instead !
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Reckon the Met Office forecasts are pretty accurate though I think they should be more neutral on climate change.
OK, aerosol gasses have been and should be further reduced though treating CO2 as a polutant, not sure myself.
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well i got the wife to work for 10.30am (shes nhs so no turn up no pay) not too bad really a 2 hour journey,she rang me at 1.00pm and said the chief exec has told anyone who needs to can go home again,ive told her i will collect her at 4.oopm so i can catch up on recorded xmas tv programmes and biscuits in piece (all the choccy ones i can eat)
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Reckon the Met Office forecasts are pretty accurate though I think they should be more neutral on climate change.
It was a great barbecue summer, and a wonderful mild winter. They are great.
There was some recent research which showed that if you assumed that today's weather will be the same as yesterday's you will be as accurate as the weather forecast!
OK aerosol gasses have been and should be further reduced
You're mixing up your science. That was CFCs which were depleting the ozone layer.
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You're mixing up your science. That was CFCs which were depleting the ozone layer.
No i'm not, I mean propelants, roll-ons rather than aerosol deodorants etc. Non CFC was a big step, though less use of propelants would be positive.
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though treating CO2 as a pollutant, not sure myself
Its not a pollutant as such, it is just one constituent of the atmosphere, one that is being blamed for global warming. If you really want to worry about CO2 levels, wait for Yellowstone to blow (supervolcano).
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I don't deny climate change but I no longer trust what the government say on the matter. However we cannot carry on with our 8mpg V8s because the fact we are running out of fuel is a fact which cannot be disputed.
We can, we just need to find an alternative source of fuel. Triffoil, anyone??
In all seriousness though, I agree 100% with Rattle here.
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Still snowing here in South Manchester. Just ' dipped ' it on top of the gatepost...about 7.5 inches. Went into the City Centre in the 4WD this morning to do a job.
The main road in, Princess Road, was solid with traffic. I used an alternative road and got in very quickly. I could see that the car in front of me, a Merc 190, was getting frustrated by the car in front of him....about 20mph, and overtook on an icy single carriageway road with speed pads ! I caught him at the next lights, the overtakee having turned off.
Strange, there was hardly anyone about in town, in spite of all the traffic trying to get in.
The multi storey I had to go to was virtually empty......it would have been full any other day !
Called at Asda on way back to get food in.
Guy next to me in a Pug 206 spinning his wheels like crazy...a few swift movements with my shovel and he was gone.
It's still coming down !
Ted
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But everyone blames the car. There are other much worse offenders causing serious harm to our environment - take cruise ships as an example. Not only wasting massive massive amounts of fuel, but also massive, disgusting if you ask me, amounts of wasted food. Its more environmentally friendly to use an airplane than a cruise ship - and we all know that airplanes are not exactly that environmentally friendly either... So the car is way down on the list of things causing harm to the environment.
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kills all of the cows I say.
They release tons of methane and we know how bad methane is.
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My dad reckons he hasn't seen anything like this since 1963 but he lived in London till about 1970. Mum thinks the last time she remembered it was in 1979.
This is the certainly the longest and thinkest I have seen it in my area but I have seen worse snow in other areas in the past.
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>> Kill all the cows I say
I take it you don't eat beef, or drink milk, or wear leather shoes then :-)
Edited by corax on 05/01/2010 at 16:57
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Itsmore environmentally friendly to use an airplane than a cruise ship -
I don't follow that, JC, the cruise ship is the holiday, whereas a 'plane is simply a method of getting you to your holiday, two different things, surely? And I'd say that using a 'plane and going to an all-inclusive holiday resort is surely just the same, and as wasteful, as a cruise ship?
As with all forms of transport it depends on how many people are using the plane/ship/train/bus/car as to how "efficient" it is, more that you can squeeze in the more efficient it is, a car with one person in it is not a very good use of fuel!
Edited by b308 on 05/01/2010 at 15:13
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We don't often get snow in this part of the world, but it's down with a vengence now. I just made a 20% gradient on an fairly isolated country road, 2nd gear and the front wheels spinning all the way up. I could smell the tyres and they ploughed through the snow desperate for tarmac.
My heart was pounding as I had visions of being stranded and facing a long walk.
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Well Ive got no chance of getting back up our road again this afternoon, will be the third time in 2 weeks that I've been unable to get up our steep hill. I live in NE Derbyshire at 600-700ft altitude in a town full of hills. Dunlop SP Sport 9000's are not to be recommended for their snow grip.
This is the most snow we?ve seen since, erm, last winter, but before that, probably the early ?90?s.
I had some Pirelli Snowsports on my last car and they were brilliant. This year Ive been trying to get some winter tyres but cant - my preferred fitter says demand has been massive. Been quoted £65 each, fitted, for decent ones but they now dont know when they will get any more stock!
On the enviro/political front ive seen the Govt are launching a scrappage scheme for household boilers; which "will be the equivalent of taking 45000 cars off the road".
About time some of the other sources of CO2 got a mention instead of always blaming cars.
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On the enviro/political front ive seen the Govt are launching a scrappage scheme for household boilers......
I've been thinking of trading in my old boiler for quite a while.......
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If it qualifies then you could get at least £400 towards a new one. If you went with British Gash they are also matching that figure so £800 in total. But I bet you could get one cheaper.
We got a massive boiler for the previous house (6 years ago) that was fitted for about £1200 total. It was bigger than the house probably needed and was never used at more than 2/3 the max setting on the boiler itself (thermostats in the house).
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This the con with the governemt schemes, you have to get them from government approved contractors who often charged a lot more than your local gas safe plumber would charge to fit a boiler so even with the scrappage discount it may not work out cheaper.
Also are new boilers reliable? Ours is a 1984 Glowarm, it is not efficient at all but in the 26 years we have had it is has never broken down once.
The pump had to be changed as it was getting lazy and I replaced the timer switch which developed a fault but other than that flawless.
Edited by Rattle on 05/01/2010 at 15:49
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Yus! My old broiler is getting on as well, it's a Glow Worm Hideaway 60 which qualifies for the 400 notes but there is no way I'd scrrrap an half decent boiler like that - it's the Volvo 240 of the boiler world IMO.
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Still snowing a little here at 650ft above sea level to the Nth of Mcr and that North wind is getting up, so if it starts drifting off the fields and dumping it in the track to the road we're going nowhere. Not seen it after 12 years living here but neighbours say it can gather in a sheltered spot behind a farmhouse nearby and gets to 1 metre and more.
Wife's Freelander just breezed through it this morning though but 1 metre might be asking a bit much.......
Edited by Nsar on 05/01/2010 at 15:26
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My facebook is full of comments about it. Basicaly none of my friends are in work including me. One of them did all the way to Warrington from Oldham took her three hours and found it was closed.
Another friends dad went from his house in Withington to Trafford park (about 5 miles away) and got there to find it was closed.
I am just so lucky I live near lots of major supermarkets all within walking distance :)
Edited by Rattle on 05/01/2010 at 15:35
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Still snowing in south Manchester. Cleared the drive and some of the pavement and the snow lifted up in blocks - i.e. it is starting to freeze. Hence clearing some of it now. Tomorrow could be pretty bad if this all freezes.
Question: why don't they clear the main roads properly with the snow ploughs? They were doing this on the M60 this afternoon. Wilbraham Road was already showing signs of compacted snow turning into ice. I dread to think what the roads will be like tomorrow.
Glad I can work remotely at the moment. My current project has the customer based all over Scotland. And I include some of the islands!
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I went down Wilbraham Rd this morning to get to town. Ungritted with packed snow lying. All options were to turn left into...
Withington/Alexandrs/Princess.....last one was blocked solid with traffic
so I opted for Lloyd Street...strange nobody else was using it...it runs parallel with the others.
Ted
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Starting to snow again in Northernmost North Staffs.
Forecast for rest of week has temperatures day and night starting with a minus "-".
Snow is still not as bad as the 1980s and unless it hits -15C not as cold (I saw -15C then ).
Just typical winter weather of 20 years ago.
Soft southern wusses...
When our drive has 2 metre high drifts I will complain.
Most shops have half empty shelves so distribution system is failing...
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My local Tesco got a delivery this afternoon, and as longs as the corner shop people can get to the cash carry that will be stocked, the danger is when the cash and carry stops having deliveries.
The snow has thined a lot here, may turn into rain which will cause all sorts of problems.
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Just typical winter weather of 20 years ago.
I'm 34 and I have NEVER seen snow like this in the soft shandy drinking saaarf. This is the stuff my parents and grandparents used to bang on about, but never had more than 1 good dump of snow per winter in my lifetime, and its never lasted more than a day or two. I can still see evidence on my lawn of the stuff that fell before xmas.
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Stopped completly here now, hopefully there will eb a bit of a rest bite.
I took this a few hours ago and its even thicker now.
i167.photobucket.com/albums/u141/amazingtrade/snow...g
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Is that like a slightly dangerous pause then Rattle?
We've still only had about 0.5" of snow in a brief flurry this lunchtime in S Staffs. The BBC weather shows us lying in a small gap between the snow. I can't decide if I want that to continue or not...
Road looks fine at the moment.
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Started up again it can't make its mind. You don't want it to continue, snow is nice at first, a novelty but it soons stops you earning money and getting on with normal life.
I will use this evening to sort out all my paper work and get things really well organised so I when i do go back to work I will be better than ever :).
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Interestingly, we had very few problems in a week driving in the Lakes in snow. And conditions were gorgeous for a lot of the time. Example shot from the top of Skiddaw on Sunday:
tinyurl.com/ya7zxj3 (links to Photobucket - safe for work)
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DP
We are about 200 metres above sea level and the Moor behind is 350 meters.. and we are on the edge of the Derbyshire hills/Cheshire gap so when it's bad in Derbyshire (Buxton has metres of snow) we just get an inkling of it.
Edited by madf on 05/01/2010 at 16:11
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I have no idea how high I am above sea level. It must be quite low because its flat and the Mersy is just down the road although I am 35 miles to the nearest sea.
Edited by Rattle on 05/01/2010 at 16:13
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I think about 75 ft, Rats.
Ted
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I expect to live to see Manchester flooded :-)
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Up here in Scotland we have basically had snow most of the days since the week before the schools broke up.
Was up at my sisters in Livingston yesterday and the roof of her shed was a picture - you could see a definite line between each pile of snow that had fallen, presumably each layer had frozen over before the next one landed.
It was beautiful - only nature could have done that!
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@madf and Rattle
Pub quiz fact* - Albert Square is 300 ft above sea level.
* Probably only any use in the Manchester area
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Down in the balmy outskirts of London I haven't had any snow yet. I feel quite left out. That picture of Rattle's car is how a winter should be. Lots of snow forecast for tonight so maybe tomorrow I can join in your conversations.
As you might imagine I don't have to get anywhere so a few days of deep snow will look very pretty. Might have a totally different view if I had a long commute or couldn't get to the airport to go on a skiing holiday!
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The Mersey valley in this area has one of the most advanced flood defence systems in the country. Never seen it flood in my life. It has burst the banks a few times but the defence system ensures it dosn't affect any buildings.
I heared that London was in for a 40cm fall in four hours - ouch! If you have to drive this evening in West London I wouldbn't bother, too much chance of being caught out.
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It has burst the banks a few times but the defence system ensures it dosn't affect any buildings
Part of the defence is they open a massive flood gate in Didsbury and let Fletcher Moss flood. Not a flood defence as such. More management of flood risk. And there are houses that back onto the flooded area so a fine balancing act.
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They do it in Chorlton too although thats even more basic, there is a no building zone which not only protects the countryside but also means houses won't be build on a flood plain. Odly enough the highest risk area in Chorlton are the houses of Sandy Lane which back onto Chorlton Park, because the brook is often at high risk of flooding.
If the snow continues tomorrow and the roads are not icy I may walk down there and take some pictures, will be some stunning photography I should imagine.
Its stopped now though :)
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There some pretty complex flood defence kit where Princess Parkway passes under the M60, if you are going into town look left.
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>>If you have to drive this evening in West London I wouldn't bother, too much chance of being caught out.
I've been invited to a friend's for dinner tonight in West London. I'm not going to cancel. The forecast might be wrong. If not the shovel is already in the car or I'm prepared to walk home.
I'm quite looking forward to it. Let's hope the forecast keeps everyone else at home so I can have some fun.
Edited by old crocks on 05/01/2010 at 16:52
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Just come home over Wimbledon Common. Only 2 inches so far. Very scenic but not enough to cause disruption. Little traffic but I'm glad I won't be out in the rush hour tomorrow.
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Perhaps because I come from South Wales (one of the valleys).... and yes I've been to Barry Island so I know 'what's occuring'...
... this snow is nothing like I saw in the seventies (was it 1976 or 1977?) where we had more like 2-3 feet of snow! Drift were to the top of houses! And it was around those years when we had to hottest summer I remember ever having too.
So climate change is new then. Tidy.
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Ah the summer of 1976.. I remember it well.
And the winter of 1979.. 1 metre long icicles and 2 metres of snow outside Liverpool and ice on the inside of the double glazed patio doors.. reminds me of my childhood in N Scotland ...
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I remember that, I think it was 77 or 78 though, when the Home internationals were on. I recall seeing pictures of drifts up to the eaves in some of the Valleys and cars completely buried under several feet of snow. Also the winter of 81-82 was particularly cold - I was a student in Cardiff and remember the army being called out to help clear the roads. The city was completely at a standstill.
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I recall seeing pictures of drifts up to the eaves in some of the Valleys and cars completely buried under several feet of snow.
This is what I remember in South Wales in the seventies. So this snow is nothing compared to that. IT was not good back then - people ended up making their own bread due to lack of deliveries.
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81 was a bad one - beer lorry had to be unloaded around here ........The Police published aerial shots of the lorry loads of footprints around it, really deep ones marking the route out. There was a lot of finger wagging saying what bad people we (cough) were.
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81 was a bad one
One I'm thinking of was before that. It was when my dad was alive so had to be before 1979.
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I think it was 77, as I was in 6th form and some of the class got stuck in it on a rugby trip. I lived in Anglesey at the time and remember watching the news, people were walking on top of drifts in S Wales on top of buried cars!! And the next bad one was 81, the M4 was single lane with waist high drifts on either side. Real snow!!
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Real snow!!
Thanks Bazza. This is the sort of weather I remember. It was bad!
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The Police published aerial shots of the lorry loads of footprints around it, really deep ones marking the route out. There was a lot of finger wagging saying what bad people we (cough) were.
Possibly because it was all gone before they got there themselves. I remember a beer wagon overturning on the M40 near High Wycombe in the 1970s and the coppers were turning up from miles away and filling up the boots of their Panda cars. Not surprisingly the brewers put in a formal complaint and some of them got disciplined.
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It was a bit more tense than that....
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We have had a fair bit here in East Yorks. They reckon the worst since 1981. looks like more to come tommorrow espicially in midlands and south.
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The forecast is for it to be heavy here by now though it has not really started properly yet.
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Forecasting 30cms here, Its at guildford (8 miles away) now coming this way.
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AE.. Thats snow chain territory is it not.
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In fact ill say don,t go out without em.
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could be
update - its just arrived and settling already
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Just looked out and could see a star twinkling, we had a little snow early though the forecast heavy stuff is not here yet, or have they got it wrong?
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It has stopped snowing here now :) Are TT's front or rear wheel drive? Watching a neighbour trying to shift his, its going no where.
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>>Are TT's front or rear wheel drive.
The "cheaper ones" are front wheel drive. Most are AWD. This assumes the TT reference is to Audi TTs.
Edited by rtj70 on 05/01/2010 at 19:19
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TT Mk I or Mk II?
Mk Is were 4wd with two exhaust pipes (1.8t 225bhp or 3.2 V6), some 4wd with single exhaust pipe (1.8t 180 bhp) and some fwd with single exhaust (1.8t 150 bhp + TDi).
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All quiet in Sheffield at the moment - but plenty settled during the morning and early afternoon, enough to stop everyone working, buses stopped, places shut, etc etc.
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I was heading down your way tomorrow Cheddar but have postponed. It's coming down hard here now and lying on the thin layer of frozen stuff. Might make the trip on thursday though if it has all calmed down by then. Might ask you to give an update tomorrow evening if you are around on HJ !
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No probs HB.
I thought you were all terrain these days though ;-)
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Indeed I am but I also get paid whether I go out or not now...
;-)
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Likewise, I am due to head to the office tomorrow, a 160 mile round trip, though will work at home as per today if the weather is like the 1000 Lakes and the FocuST will remain in parc fermé next to the trusty Mondeo.
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AE, must be a bummer that you can't get a day off work because of the weather????
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No but it means I can go out to play!
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"No but it means I can go out to play!"
Don't fall and break a hip
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...and don't forget the tights. Circulation issues and so on......
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and matching fluffy earmuffs.
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He'll need the tights Humph when he's huddled in front of the electric fire, too skint to put the second bar on...
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oh go and some more vodka and turnip pie, or whatever it is you east europeans eat
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"vodka and turnip pie"
Sounds like luxury compared with the vile paupers mush I've had to eat this Christmas in the spirit of "tradition". Twelve festive dishes on the 24th, all variations of cabbage and fish set in jelly.
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don't knock tights.. When you are old like me, your body needs all the help it can get..
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But will it be handbrake turns and power slides when its your own car or is that just reserved for company cars....??
I think its only fair that you check the handling traits of your car...........
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I have just been round the corner to help a female friend get her car out her driveway, this is the first she has used it since well before xmas.
She told me the wheels were just spinning, which they were. New shape Honda Civic petrol.
Car was nice and warm so I took off the traction control thingy and floored it in second, got it up to just shy of 7000 revs and remarkably the car came out the driveway.
I assured her the burning smell was nothing to worry about......
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Started snowing again here again. met office said it would stop and go to minus 5 tonight.
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Stopped at 1pm in Leeds, started again at 1.15! Stopped again at 4.30. Ruler test shows 7 inches on the roof of the X type. Aygo was just brilliant, even when some fool I followed up a side street with a decent slope decided to stop right across the junction I was about to turn into to drop his Mrs off.
Even the hill start was no trouble, gave it enough revs in 1st to get the front wheels moving and spinning, into 2nd and off she went.
The Council have done well and all the major routes near us have been gritted more than once (our street 4 times) and we had a plough clearing side streets a couple of hours ago.
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There was a very interesting article in one of today's broadsheet papers about the current cold weather all over the Northern henisphere and how it was partly caused by 'mysterious cold water in the Atlantic'.
S'funny, I thought that as we were releasing so many naughty CO2s, the earth was warming, seas were warming causing ice caps to melt.
Doesn't quite add up, does it!
And they wonder why there are so many man-made climate change sceptics!?!
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And they wonder why there are so many man-made climate change sceptics!?!
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Hmm, I am a naturally occuring sceptic, I expect that my scepticism is cyclical though I am not sure how many millenia each cycle will last.
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Boxster, can't quite tell if you're being ironic, but in case you're not, the melting ice caps and the cold water might you know, be related?
Yes I know the Day After Tomorrow was cobblers on stilts but disruption to the North Atlantic Drift that means that we have a temperate climate rather than one similar to say Newfoundland isn't science fantasy.
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>>the melting ice caps and the cold water might you know, be related?>>
It's down to Arctic Oscillation, relative barometric pressures between the arctic and the northern hemisphere, as the pressure oscilates towards high pressure over the arctic cold air streams south.
It's not man made, it's not even climate change, rather a natural occurance.
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It's not man made, it's not even climate change, rather a natural occurance.
You mean just like climate change?
Where I write was covered in 2 miles of ice about 18,000 years ago..
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It's not man made it's not even climate change rather a natural occurance. You mean just like climate change? Where I write was covered in 2 miles of ice about 18 000 years ago..
No, I mean as in climate change being cyclical changes over millenia as in the ice age you refer to where as arctic oscellation is seasonal.
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Its 40cm deep here now
and the highways agency web site is crashing under heavy useage
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Wow, a full 16 inches. Only got 2 here around Wimbledon. It's being very selective.
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Wow a full 16 inches. Only got 2 here around Wimbledon. It's being very selective.
Ok I exgerated a little. That was the depth of the drift against the fence ;) It stopped last night at 23:30 5 inches fell between 18:00 and 23:30.
Its started snowing again but the temperature has risen, so its got a slushy underlay.Its easily driveable in as it is.
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Son got to work ok in Dorking on the main roads ok BUT the car parks are unuseable once you get there.
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