news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8433476.stm
..and that is 24,000 fewer than anticipated.
IMHO Still a good result. Well done all.
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Seizures if uninsured cars were probably secondary to other priorities (nawt to do with targets) in a way it's nice to see a Target suffer in many other ways seizing uninsured cars is a good thing.
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There are rarely specific resources put to it...a fair chunk of those figures are the average street cop getting stuck in and using the seizure power off their own back
Imagine what the figures would be if it was a 'targetted' area of policing
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Dont think anybody can argue against taking these vehicles off the road etc!
Would love to know how many were smokers; sorry I just couldnt resist that !
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Still a target £3m isn't a huge chunk of money for the Met in budget terms -
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£3m isn't a huge chunk of money for the Met in budget terms -
No, you're right...but...there's a large amount of pain coming in the form of budget cuts. Seen it all before of course.
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Our local (provincial) Force is looking for £15m from a £300m budget - you don't get that by turniong the lights off !
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there is a lot of money being made on the scrap vehicles (as well as fines)
note what happened to an employee of NCP (the scrapping company) when he squeeled that NCP were screwing the goverment www.employment-relations.co.uk/pages/toplissvncp.p...f
PS NCP said sorry (to the goverment) , and paid up
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Hiya
Police action in conjunction with the dvla staf males me slow down and LOL at those stopped for lack of road tax/insurance/etc. more often than not these people rarely hold a licence or have the car registered. A lot of these types that are charged with no insurance/etc do have other history of crime.
lack of insurance usually means a unroadworthy car, and most hit and runs fall into the category of uninsured vehicles.
so well done to the cops as these type of people cause a lot of misery to the road legal motorists and the people they kill/maim/etc.
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"lack of insurance usually means a unroadworthy car, and most hit and runs fall into the category of uninsured vehicles."
We have proof of this sweeping statement Im sure ?
I thought most hit and runs turned out to be drink/drugs related; and a lot of those so involved are in road legal cars !
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I thought most hit and runs turned out to be drink/drugs related; and a lot of those so involved are in road legal cars !
And I thought most hit-and-runs were done by ordinary people in insured shiny new cars who could not be "doing wiv" with the "aggro". I wonder what the reality is?
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the proof behind the sweeping generalisation will set us right then !
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Having been the victim of a drug dealer who ploughed into the back of my parked car, in a 30mph zone may i had. Also just 20metres from the junction where he turned from. Cutting a long story short. His car wasn't insured, it wasnt his car (borrowed from a friend). He was also driving under influence. The current apnr system used by police forces throughout the country is very effective. The Met with 36,000 acquisistions since april, doesnt sound a lot to me. It sounds like they are just revenue getting. Boris wants to get em out on bloc day after day to remove and destroy all unisured, not taxed, MOT,d vehicles. There is no reason why this cannot be done . Lets see more traffic officers on the road doing exactly this.
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Brentus, the police cant enforce every law and do everything, there have to be priorities.
But priorities at the minute seem to be stopping ambulance drivers on the phone and cigarette throwing down and outs!
Personally id like cars from all over the country to be seized; not just those in the capital !
Oh, and yours didnt sound like a hit and run; but I agree it wasnt right either etc!
Edited by yorkiebar on 29/12/2009 at 19:56
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Yorkie, let that one rest in its own thread please.
seems to me you are enjoying pouring petrol on that one.....
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Petrol or not; its a very valid comment; as westpig may confirm; there are limits to what they can do !
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Petrol or not; its a very valid comment; as westpig may confirm; there are limits to what they can do !
Yes, and as stated elsewhere, those 2 things are not even on their radar.
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"Personally id like cars from all over the country to be seized; not just those in the capital !"
You missed that part of the post though? The serious line !
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I think the police should make this one of the top priorities. Thousands of people have been affected by non insured drivers and that includes you Yorkie. I agree all forces not just the capital should start making more siezures. I do believe they are, it is now becoming a very effective tool and also a revenue raiser. No mine wasnt a hit & run like i posted he turned a corner at the nearby junction and run straight into the back of my car. With such force my car mounted the kerb and was pushed along the pavement another 20 metres before impaling itself on 2 neighbours gates. had it happened 30 seconds earlier an elderly gentleman on the pavement walking would no doubt have been killed. I am just one of the sad stastitics.
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"Thousands of people have been affected by non insured drivers and that includes you Yorkie."
have I said anything in favour of the uninsured?
My (sarcastic) comment was merely an attempt at suggesting there are more important things on the road to cause concern than phone use and cigarette disposal!
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Brentus
I have been a victim of these crooks. A uninsured driver went into the back of my A4 (about 10 years ago) My wife was getting into the front passenger side and as soon as she closed the door - a big bang. Our car was pushed into the back of another. The crook in the uninsured car had a woman in the front and a kid aged about 10 in the back of those old style XR2's - he speed off with the front of his car caved in and bits falling in the road, i was about to give chase but my wife said stop, and i came to my senses. The car was abandodned a 1/4 mile away by a station.
Cops were more interested in my details initially (never even had a parking ticket)
they traced the car to an address about three miles from the criminal action. The crooks told them they had sold the car the day before - but the cop told us the car had been registered at that address for at least a year but no tax or insurance. I had a £400 excess on my car.
we were lucky that my wife was not seriously injured - we both had neck pains but did not make any claims via the criminal injuires for the pain, loss of 400 quid, inconvenience/etc.
my mother-in-law was knocked over by a uninsured driver, the femal driver tried to speed off, got caught in traffic and she was held by civilians. She failed to appear in court and my MiL suffered a broken hip and still suffers today.
a lot of these uninsured drivers a crooks.
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It Just so happened that the drug dealers response to me was '' I was on the mobile but not using it''. Take what you want from that.
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It is illegal to drive a vehicle while using a mobile phone.
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It is illegal to drive a vehicle while using a mobile phone.
No it isn't. It is illegal to hold and use a mobile phone while driving, but if the phone is in a cradle, then you can still dial phone numbers, and talk using a hand free or installed kit.
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The current apnr system used by police forces throughout the country is very effective. >>
No it's not, and that's the problem.
I was pulled over once after ANPR had my car listed as 'no registered keeper'. Plod accepted my statement that I had bought the car a week earlier and the database was at fault - Didn't even give me a producer, just let me on my way - I must look the trusting type ;-)
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Disagree. The APNR system is very effective. No doubt not every vehicle stopped like you Boxster will be penalised, but more is the case.
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Paul - you didn't play Juror #10 in 12 Angry Men, by any chance....?
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Anyone driving an uninsured car is breking the law hence they are a crook.
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It rather goes back to the last time this was discussed... which was "do we want the Police pulling over everyone who shows up as illegal on ANPR?"- with the acceptance that if we do it is a certainty that some will get pulled who are entirely legal... or just not bother using it at all, because unless its 100% accurate it shouldn't be used... which was the view of a poster the last time this was discussed...
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They should seize any vehicle that shows up as untaxed or uninsured on their database BUT if subsequently shown that the vehicle was validly insured or taxed then the keeper should be fully compensated, and on no account should they be made to pay storage fees while their car is held for investigation.
If a car is proven to be uninsured or untaxed then by all means crush, fine, or rack up storage fees.
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you didn't play Juror #10 in 12 Angry Men, by any chance....?
or have a previous life as Mr X?
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Could be, CG, could just be :-)
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Seems a bit drastic to crush everything. Why not employ a team of specialist breakers to remove anything that can be recycled - body panels, interior trim and so on - which can then be sold to anyone who wants them.
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