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mousehole, as if they hadnt had enough tragedy
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Please avoid speculation - not for in here otherwise locked.
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Very sad - at any time of the year, I ventured out at 6-30am but my Vulcan logic told me to stay put.
Be very, very careful if you *have to* go out.
I'm sending this via Opera as that big bright blue ad causes my pute to freeze, I tried to report it using said button but even that would not work.
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Be very very careful if you *have to* go out.
BBC picture shows police car lying alongside crashed coach; they also lost control.
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Tragedies such as these highlight that perhaps we have become too blasé about the risks involved with travel of any sort - be it road, rail, sea or air. With modern transportation the risks are small, but still finite...
My heart goes out to the families of the deceased - the randomness of life can be very cruel at times.
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Tragic, i clicked on the link expecting to see 6" of snow lying around, not a flake in sight... which may well speak volumes.
Just shows doesn't matter how good we think we are as driver's or how experienced, the unexpected can still catch us out.
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as someone said, it looks like a police car attending the scene ended up as part of it. Clearly bad road conditions.
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I was watching the rolling news item this morning on Sky. As the camera panned up the hill, you could see that the road had a surface of thick glass-ice. It looked horrific.
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>>> you could see that the road had a surface of thick glass-ice. It looked horrific <<<
That's quite correct Bad Dave, I've been following this case all morning on local radio and the consensus of opinion seems to be that even snow chains or winter tyres wouldn't have had an effect on the outcome of this tragedy.
Some have said the driver should have considered the road situation before setting out, other's have apportioned blame toward the Highways Dept but - Blame is for God and small children + it's easy to be wise - after the event.
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We're a fair way from Cornwall but some severe re-freezing happened from late afternoon yesterday around here. Roads that we'd all thought had improved since Friday went back to skating rinks and took many by surprise. Only the gritted main routes were safe but much of town and the two villages I visited were sheet ice. At least it's flat here so you only have your car's throttle induced momentum to deal with.
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I too thought it looked like a skating ring. Perro like you say its easy to be wise after the event
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I know ice doesn't have to follow snow, but I'm surprised there's no white stuff of some sort in the photos.
A couple of evergreens and a bit of damp dirt don't shout 'winter ice chaos', either.
Lesson I suppose is roads can still be hazardous even if the surrounding area looks benign.
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I saw this country lane today, and it is *EVIL* ... a downhill stretch with a sharp bend at the bottom.
The coach driver (to his credit) advised the passengers 3 times on the journey to fasten their seatbelts.
He actually stopped at the top of the hill to weigh up the situation, saw a car drive down safely so made the discision to proceed with care but the road was a sheet of ice and he went into a slide but managed to steer the vehicle in between 2 large trees which if hit would have resulted in more injuries.
He emerged injured from the coach but went straight back in, to help the passengers to safety.
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last coach trip i went on i was told its a legal requirement now to wear the belts
unfortunately out of 44 people on board there was only the wife and myself and a few other people bothered to belt up
abroad its a big fine if its an organised trip and you arent belted,maybe the same rules should apply here in this country?
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>>> only the wife and myself and a few other people bothered <<<
Same as 'in flight' belle buoy, how many peops wear their seatbelt once the plane has taken orf.
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And same on landing - this morning's Ryan Air incident occurred when the plane was taxiing after landing - a time when passengers are warned not to unbuckle....
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airplane and coach are basically a tube full of people, when it goes pear shaped tube collapses people die..unfortunately
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Well the American Airlines "Runway Excursion" did just that and everyone survived - that is down to rigorous crash investigations (of which the British were the pioneers) with lessons learnt applied - this includes the very sensible idea of keeping belts on during taxiing. Think of it as all the previous crash deaths acting as "angels" protecting the living. Lot of that translates into road deaths as well - that so many survive nasty bus accidents is down to same lessons being applied in design and legislation.
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My respect goes to the driver.
What a decision to have to make with 44 people on board, it's bad enough with 44 tonnes gross and the cargo is only baked beans.
Pat
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