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£280.00 per injector not bad! quite a few CR injectors now are 500+ each & on some vehicles exchange units are not an option.
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Did you not get a used car warranty with it if you bought it from a Volvo dealer?
There was a warranty but injectors are not covered. I shall not buy used from a main dealer again, the premium price you pay is not reflected in the service.
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The price quoted is actually not bad.
As regards recon injectors - well we've used them but with mixed results. If the car is a keeper then I recommend opting for new injectors.
As regards the Toyotas, yes they do go wrong, but as a rule they go wrong less often than most other brands and quite a lot of lucky people do get a car that never fails during their ownership. toyota owners also get very grumpy if something goes wrong with their car, whereas the Renault owners give a gallic shrug and ask what is wrong this time and then deliver a monologue about how they should have got rid of the car last year, which was the last time it was running properly.
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If you see this, Workshop Tech, maybe you can tell me if my impression is just that or based on anything....
Japanese petrol engines seem pretty infallible as a rule, but their diesels seem rather less so, perhaps because some makers (e.g. Honda) haven't offered them for long.
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"Japanese petrol engines seem pretty infallible as a rule, but their diesels seem rather less so, perhaps because some makers (e.g. Honda) haven't offered them for long."
Neither are brilliant anymore. They are just like the rest! built to a price & all have the weak spots! Timing chains in the smaller nissans, conrods on the bigger nissans & Honda's apart from all the ABS module failures these days.
Basically your iether lucky or not
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Most Japanese engine makers use fuel injection equipment made in Japan but under licence from a European producer - usually Bosch.
Making good diesel fuel systems is still to some extent an art as well as a science but a huge investment of the very finest machinery is required, together with access to the best steels obtainable. The inlet porting to the Bosch PD injectors is a good case in point - 1000s of laser drilled radial holes through the injector body too fine to see unaided. A component such as this will be the most precisely made object you're ever likely to own - forget your Rolex.
I'm not fully convinced that the Japanese have quite got there yet - but it won't be long.
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What counts as a 'Japanese engine maker' these days, 659? I doubt our Toyota engine has been anywhere near Japan, although I presume it went from somewhere in or near North Wales to Turkey and back on its way to our garage.
I like your description of the injectors, though. I shall treat the family diesels with new respect now I know how much trouble has gone into making them. }:---)
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What counts is not where a car (or its parts) is actually assembled, but the design of the car and its parts and the quality systems that monitor and control the assembly.
Overall, I think Japanese cars are still the most reliable, there is a depth of engineering to them that shines through. All cars have become vastly more complex in recent years (think standard aircon, cruise control, emission control) and they have to perform better, be lighter, safer, faster, quieter etc etc. There is so much packed under the bonnet that I sometimes litterally cant get my hand in. Sometimes we cant even SEE a part we need to get at, much less TOUCH it. So I stand under the ramps looking at a starter at the back of an engine - its obstructed by inlet manifold, exhaust pipe, steering tie rods, driveshaft, plus a few fuel and electrical bits - HOW do I get it out?
Japanese diesel production is quite low because diesel is only popular in Europe, not Asia or America. I think that's why Japanese diesels are not as reliable as their petrol, however it is my experience that diesel in general is less reliable (or at least if there is a problem it is always bigger and more costly to fix than petrol).
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Regardless of what their "warranty" covers, doesn't this come under the "fit for purpose" malarkey. I certainly would be most upset if my car (how much did you pay, and what year?) broke down within six months of purchase.
Small claims against the dealer?
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2003 and 9k...this particular dealer in a town noted for its roundabouts in the South will not see me again. I like Volvos but the dealers I have done busines with don't seem to value customer loyalty. Perhaps the economic climate means that they think that the only way to stay in business is to pay hardball. A neighbour has a Volvo too and he steers well clear of the same dealer
As for small claims etc tempting but I doubt any chance of success. All the publicity about customer care 'trust the car, trust the service' gives me a good laugh at least.
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At the worst you'd only lose about £50 at the Small Claims Court. If you win and he doesn't pay an outstanding CCJ won't look good against his business.
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