The Koreans have landed - Lygonos
30 years ago the Japanese crept up and overtook European cars.

10 years ago Skoda became a no-joke brand.

Now, as each new model is released, we are seeing the main Korean brands become more mature. I bet the 'big boys' are having sleepless nights - private sales are being lost, even car hire firms appear to be happy to take on Kias and Hyundais where the usual VX/Ford fodder would have been no-brainer decisions.

i10, i20, i30 - not as dynamically impressive as KA, Fiesta, Focus. That's about all you can throw at them.

And HJ's review of the revised Santa Fe shows a very impressive SUV for not a lot of money.

It doesn't even have the farcical plastic-wood of the old model, and it's performance/emissions stats are really rather good.

Be afraid, Euro/Jap manufacturers. Be very afraid.

(except for sports and saloon cars - the image troops will take a lot longer to be convinced!)
The Koreans have landed - Rattle
The Europeans are still one step ahead though. I have not driven any of these cars so I may be wrong but I am pretty sure a good new Focus will still show any of these wannabees were they are lacking.

Oh and try and get that rare fuel injection part for that Kia in seven years time.

If I had £6k to spend then I would consider one, but if I had £10 tk spend it would be a Ford everytime even if I do get less for my money but then I am a Fordboy for no real whats so ever.
The Koreans have landed - Lygonos
but then I am a Fordboy for no real whats so ever <<


Ahh the good old Ford Corsa with it's impeccable reliability record....


As I mentioned in the OP - Fords are undeniably better "drivers' cars" but the majority of the drivers in the UK don't care much about driving dynamics - they want a car to do what it says on the tin.

Sales figures over the next 2-3 years will show this, I have little doubt.

Edited by Lygonos on 18/11/2009 at 17:10

The Koreans have landed - Alby Back
The British in particular will buy almost anything if its cheap enough. You have only to look at their shoes.
The Koreans have landed - L'escargot
You have only
to look at their shoes.


Not all of us. I bet my all-leather British slippers cost more than your man-made-material shoes.
The Koreans have landed - FotheringtonThomas
I've some ox-blood slippers from Church's, they've lasted well.
The Koreans have landed - barney100
You have only
to look at their shoes.


Shoes? you can afford shoes?!
The Koreans have landed - moonshine
If I had £6k to spend then I would consider one but if I had
£10 tk spend it would be a Ford everytime even if I do get less
for my money but then I am a Fordboy for no real whats so ever.


Hit the nail on the head Rattle - there are many people that only have £6k to spend and not £10k. And there are many people who would rather get the cheaper Korean car and spend the money saved elsewhere.

Do Ford offer a 5 year warrenty like Hyundai do? Remind us all about how reliable your Corsa has been? Or about your fiesta troubles? :):):)

In my opinion pretty much all new cars are good these days, no such thing as a bad un, just some might be slightly better than others.


(edited to add lots of smilelys so it doesn't look like I'm picking on dear old Rattle)

Edited by moonshine {P} on 18/11/2009 at 17:34

The Koreans have landed - Rattle
Most the stuff I have done to the Corsa has been because it is a ten year old car with 80,000 miles on it, things wear on anything at that age. I am also very picky and won't drive the car with any defects, where as others just run them into the ground.

The only fault with my Corsa which is not considered wear and tear is my MAF sensor, which is a german made part made by Bosch.

Hopefully it will now give me many years of reliable motoring.

I personaly wouldn't want a restricted warranty anyway because as we have seen on so many forums servicing on these cars can be so expensive. I will stick with my Ford £100 a year servicing and three year warranty.

I am not saying I would never buy a Hyundai/Kia it would just have to be a lot cheaper than Ford/Vauxhall/VW/PSA/Japstuff etc.

It will be interesting to see how reliable these new Korean cars are long term. The older ones such as the Accent have been reliable but then they are also a lot more basic than the European cars of the same age. Now that these Korean cars have fancier suspensions it will be interesting to see if they are any more trouble free than the likes of Ford.
The Koreans have landed - Old Navy
Just as the Japanese copied and improved on western cars, the Koreans are now doing the same to the Japanese. I read somewhere that the Ceed / I30 is a copy of the Corolla. My Focus replacement will be a Ceed.

Edited by Old Navy on 18/11/2009 at 18:28

The Koreans have landed - moonshine
Hopefully it will now give me many years of reliable motoring.


Lets hope so Rattle, but lets wait and see...

I personaly wouldn't want a restricted warranty anyway because as we have seen on so
many forums servicing on these cars can be so expensive. I will stick with my
Ford £100 a year servicing and three year warranty.


So are Ford warranties not restricted then?

Service on the i10 is £150 for year and £250 for year two, IIRC. Not a lot more than the Ford, and probably cheaper if you take into account that nothing will go wrong inbetween :)
The Koreans have landed - rip
If I had £6k to spend then I would consider one but if I had
£10 tk spend it would be a Ford everytime even if I do get less
for my money but then I am a Fordboy for no real whats so ever.


if i have £10k to spend on a ford, i would spend £7k on a hyundai which will have a higher level spec, and keep the £3k, seems judgeing by the car sales figures alot of people agree.

The Koreans have landed - Rattle
I think a lot of element of this is the pub talk. Say you have just bought a Focus and suddenly you're the coolest dude in town, say you have bought a Fiat and people look at you as if you're stupid but admire you're bravery, say you have bought a Hyundai then people just assume you're retired.

Of course pub talk and realility are never the same :) My next car will probably be an Alfa 156. For what ever reason I just cannot get excited about far eastern cars they are white goods.

To change this I think Kia need to start making some pretty cool cars like the Evo or Imprezza. When the police start using Kias as they their traffic area cars that is the day things will change. For now though they are white goods for people that want a reliable car but nothing else. Nothing wrong with that and it will make them sell well.
The Koreans have landed - FotheringtonThomas
Say you have just bought a Focus and suddenly you're the coolest dude in town


Erm, no.
The Koreans have landed - Old Navy
Rattle, a Focus is a European domestic appliance.

Edited by Old Navy on 18/11/2009 at 18:38

The Koreans have landed - Rattle
But they make it wonderful to drive, it dosn't have to be but they go that extra mile. Even we didn't care about how a car drives we would still be buying £3500 Ladas.

The Koreans are doing very well for cheaper cars but for more expensive cars I am sure the mainstream brands are still outselling them.

My car is a white good, it drives like a white good which is why I want something a bit more exciting next time round.

If I had £6k to spend then yes there is a good chance it will be a Kia but I would also be very tempted by a good second hand £6k Focus/Astra and the problem is I think my heart will win not my head.
The Koreans have landed - Old Navy
The Koreans are doing very well for cheaper cars but for more expensive cars I
am sure the mainstream brands are still outselling them.

Mainly fleet sales, Joe public spending his own hard earned is what's boosting Korean sales, as happened with the Japanese when they killed off the UK car and motorcycle manufacturers.
The Koreans have landed - ifithelps
Ford do seem able to make a mainstream hatchback appear 'cool'.

I think they know how to create a 'halo effect' from the really fast Focuses, then there's the ever so elegant and desirable CC3. :)

Motorsport would have come into the equation at one time.

Perhaps it still does, do they still rally Focuses?
The Koreans have landed - Rattle
And this is what the Koreans need to do. Justified or not they are still considered cheap and for people who cannot quite afford a brand new Ford. If they ralied cars which trounced the likes of Focus then all the sudden they would become a brand to admire and aspire to.
The Koreans have landed - Old Navy
Perhaps it still does do they still rally Focuses?

>>
If you need to ask.........
The Koreans have landed - ifithelps
....If you need to ask......

Then presumably I bought the CC3 because I liked it and I was not overly-influenced by marketing hype.

The Koreans have landed - Rattle
I would buy one two if I had the money and didn't need four doors. Stunning cars and they excite me.
The Koreans have landed - L'escargot
Stunning cars and they excite me.


In your current state of health I wouldn't expect a Japanese geisha girl to be able to excite you!
;-)
The Koreans have landed - ifithelps
...Stunning cars and they excite me...

It's the only car I've owned that people stop and stare at.

You can almost read their disappointment when they realise it's only a Ford. :)
The Koreans have landed - moonshine
>> Say you have just bought a Focus and suddenly you're the coolest dude in
town
Erm no.


+1

Since when has a ford focus been cool?
The Koreans have landed - Rattle
Since they suddenly came up with a hatch back which was good to drive? Clarkson even had one and if Clarkson has one it has to be cool :). I will get my coat.
The Koreans have landed - wagonr
rattle
(when the police start using kias),a few years ago proton personas were used by at least one police force,if i'am not mistaken
wr
The Koreans have landed - Hummerman
Google Hyundai Genesis and Genesis Coupe. We are about to get them here in the middle east and the allocations have almost sold out.
I saw the Genesis in Canada and thought it was the new Mercedes S Class, looked it up and was amazed at the price.
The Koreans have landed - Old Navy
They look good, I hope the badge snobs don't buy them and they are relatively cheap second hand if we get them in the UK!

Edited by Old Navy on 19/11/2009 at 09:49

The Koreans have landed - Deskpilot
I think you will find that most Korean companies are either owned or heavily funded by US/World manufacturers e.g. Kia is owned largely by Ford, so it's not quite the same as the original Japanese "invasion".
The Koreans have landed - Old Navy
I thought Kia is a Hyundai brand, who owns the Hyundai group of companies?

Edited by Old Navy on 20/11/2009 at 20:33

The Koreans have landed - Falkirk Bairn
Hyundai is a Chaebol (Korean Large Company)
The Koreans have landed - nick1975
i think this discussion is too polarised. Both trad Euro boxes and new Eastern boxes are good products. And its also a bit simplistic to talk about Korean/Jap/Euro cars. They all share common parts/suppliers anyway.

I suspect the pricing will also quickly level out, if there is even any actual difference now. Jap cars were cheap once, now they are expensive. Go figure.

If we do assume the Koreans have an advantage, can anyone suggest how this has been achieved? I recall Japan's industrial leap was basically based on bullying the workforce and a unnatural loyalty to rebuilding the country post ww2. Have the Koreans a similar model, does that change the ownership experience?

The Koreans have landed - Lygonos
If we do assume the Koreans have an advantage, can anyone suggest how this has been achieved <<


Other than the purely economic advantage of lower wage costs in a society that spends relatively less on social welfare, you will find that 'up-and-coming' brands such as the Japanese in the 70's, Skoda in the 90's and now Kia/Hyundai all provided one thing:

Cars that people wanted, rather than cars the manufacturers wanted you to want, and value for money (real or perceived).

Once private buyers are happy to spend their hard-earned on a brand, you'll see company buyers taking them on which continues the sales performance. Doubt you'd have seen a 'company Skoda' until after the Fabia/Octavia/Superb became private buyer successes.

The Koreans have landed - Bagpuss
Other than the purely economic advantage of lower wage costs in a society that spends
relatively less on social welfare


The wage costs in South Korea these days are comparable with Western Europe if you include the employer costs for pension, health car etc. This is less the case in the deep south, but there is almost no infrastructure there. South Korea is also highly unionised and Kia was (and maybe still is) a right old money pit for Hyundai after they took it over to stop it going bust or falling into foreign hands.

Hyundai cleverly keep the true level of warranty and quality costs inside their network, but warranty costs was one of the things that eventually shafted Daewoo and Hyundai Motors are not very profitable. In 2008, before the crisis, they earned around 2% net profit. I sometimes have the feeling that car manufacture is a sort of expensive hobby for the Hyundai group as their core business is heavy engineering, ships and trains.

The Koreans are also very talented plagiarists. If you go to Seoul you can spend an entertaining time spotting all the blatant ripoffs of Western and Japanese cars which are not exported. My favourite was a model which I initially thought was a customised Mercedes S-Class W140 Coupe until I realised it was something quite amusingly different.
The Koreans have landed - idle_chatterer
Hyundai is a Chaebol (Korean Large Company)


Fascinating organisations Chaebols, usually highly diversified conglomerates with a 'family like' (sometimes literally) culture

However, my two-peneth on the OP's topic, I'm sure I read somewhere that VW when developing the Golf VI used the Kia Ceed as a benchmark alongside the Focus - implying (to me) that they see it as serious competition these days.
The Koreans have landed - stunorthants26
As my family now own only Japanese and Korean cars, I would say yes, the Koreans have landed although nobody noticed who was under 65 until very recently.

The gap on performance, economy and technology has all but disappeared and yet you can buy say an i20 for about £1000 less than a Fiesta, but with a far superior warranty. Its no real wonder people buy Korean cars now, its only very misplaced prejudice that stops some people.

We have three Daihatsus though, the main reason being that they have actually become a budget brand, positioned under even Hyundai or Kia. My dad loves his Materia, my wife loves her Sirion, I think the world of my Charade and my mums Hyundai - its just clicked 50k and my mum has no plans on replacing it, she wont hear of it.

These are cars for people who want a car that just needs a service every year and thats all you have to think about. Its worth something even in this throw away age.
The Koreans have landed - ifithelps
....How did the Japanese gain an edge?....

When I worked at a proper garage in the late 1970s, those with more knowledge than me put it down to plagiarism.

Ford would presumably spend quite a lot of money developing, say, a new front suspension for the Escort, only for something eerily similar to turn up on a Toyota nine months later.

Coincidence? I think not.
The Koreans have landed - nick1975
not sure they make cars people want. the cars are the same as any 5 door box on wheels. i think its the overall package people like, the low price and the long warranty being a major part of that

labour rates dont make much difference as the cars are made in the same places as the euro makers

Edited by nick1975 on 21/11/2009 at 08:02

The Koreans have landed - colinh
"Other than the purely economic advantage of lower wage costs"

The reason Kia produce in Slovakia is that wage costs there are 50% of those in Korea, and Hyundai in India because they are 20%
The Koreans have landed - Altea Ego
well they havent landed here. I look down my road to find not a single korean car to be seen..

At the end of the day if you take total cost of ownership on a new car, they are as dear as any other car to run, not as well made or finished or reliable as the converts would have you believe, the warranty is a smokescreen, and for the most part, they are ugly.
The Koreans have landed - Lygonos
Indeed SsangYong make the ugliest cars of eVar in the Rodius.

But I think the Altea and Toledo are pretty fugly ;-)

Reliability of all cars with a few exceptions (VAG diesels have their critics) are good these days, and indeed all warranties have get-out clauses.

The sales figures don't lie (much) however, especially for private sales.

The Korean cars are not superior to Euro mainstream, but neither are they a generation behind (think Hyundai Pony vs. Mk3 Escort)
The Koreans have landed - gordonbennet
Ugliness or not is in the eye of etc.

To me the Ceed especially in it's latest facelift form looks neat and refreshingly uncurvy compared to the latest euroblobs that seem to be subtly copying the appalling looking Brera.

The Santa Fe is very good looking for a hated 4x4.

We'll see just how good or bad the warranties and reliabilities are, so far there's a lack of evidence of Kia or Hyundai being quick to find get outs.

Plenty of threads showing regular faults on mainstream cars usually outside of warranty, doubtless the Korean cars are fewer in number so the law of averages may well apply, but nothing stands out in related fora either.
The Koreans have landed - bell boy
We'll see just how good or bad the warranties and reliabilities are, so far there's a lack of evidence of Kia or Hyundai being quick to find get outs.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>correct me if im wrong gb but these read as twisted words to me
Kia and Hyundai are doing in house warranty work up to and beyond 5 years so why would they give figures to the media for faults whether common or not
stuff like this you keep under your coat as media coverage can kill a good seen brand in the eyes of the consumer,its a very very clever marketing tool by these manufacturers and i applaud them for their audacity in making it work to their advantages,as you say all we see are stuff like my clutch judders we dont see reams of my camshaft is broken and the "dealer dunt want to know"--------
The Koreans have landed - diddy1234
well here's a proven example

one month after buying the Rio i noticed a small amount of surface rust on the rear boot lid.
I took it back to the dealer and they were horrified and had never seen that before (i take that with a pinch of salt).

However, they had the car for three days and resprayed the boot lid and the surround without any questions or prompts from me.
As I was a bit concerned if the car had been sat in some field somewhere for a year, Kia phoned me (not the dealer) and told me that the car was manufactured in January (I purchased March 1st).

How is that for warranty and customer service ?

Never had that level of service from Vauxhall.

Edited by diddy1234 on 21/11/2009 at 11:28

The Koreans have landed - idle_chatterer
Never had that level of service from Vauxhall.


As someone who'll never buy a Vauxhall since my dire Vectra in 1996 I'd agree, however I haven't had any car that showed any sign of rust at all including stone chips since a 1991 Vauxhall Cavalier which like your Rio rusted in its first year and in fairness was repaired in a similar timely manner by Vauxhall.

I'd reject any car that rusted in the first month - period, wouldn't accept any kind of repair either. Perhaps you've reinforced my slight prejudice against Korean cars in you post though.

Edited by idle_chatterer on 21/11/2009 at 12:18

The Koreans have landed - gordonbennet
why would they give figures to the media for faults whether common or not
stuff like this you keep under your coat as media coverage can kill a good
seen brand


Indeed BB, but they can't stop Mr Frustrated causing problems in various Fora with his Korean car that keeps breaking a whotsit and finding 20 other driver's with exactly the same fault chiming in....it hasn't happened so far which says much for long term reliability.

As you say good on them for spotting the yawning gap in the car market (with notable exceptions)...long term customer care and back up.

The camshaft fiasco being a fine example with other recent exposures (cracking wheels) showing the true power of t'net.
The Koreans have landed - Glaikit Wee Scunner {P}
Good news and bad news about our cars.
We were a two Hyundai family until recently. The Getz is fine and much loved by SWMBO.
No corrosion problems.
The Coupe exhaust fell off due to a corroded weld (16 months old), the rest of the exhaust (silver painted) and all visible bare metal parts also were heavily corroded. No question about replacing the rear exhaust section under warranty.
My car was the latest SIII coupe and so it can not have been hanging around for ages.
Put me on my guard and I now own an Octavia with an aluminised exhaust.
The Koreans have landed - Altea Ego
Indeed lygnos, alteas and Toledos do have a stunningly ugly bum. Nice face tho.

The summary is I think that they are average cars ( in a an era where all average cars are dynamically good) and a cheap first time buy if you want new.

They are however nothing special so really nothing to write about.
The Koreans have landed - primeradriver
They are however nothing special so really nothing to write about.


Hmmm.

As against all those Ford, GM, VAG, PSA Fiat and Renault cars that are sooooo special.

This idea that there is some inherent superiority about bland European boxes is becoming more absurd by the year. The Seat Altea is JUST AS BLAND as any Korean car. In fact I've been rather disappointed by the newer Korean models; the formerly slightly off-wack design of previous models has been replaced by the usual identikit clone styling of the Eurobox in the newer cars. Dull dull dull.

If I'm going to buy a white good (which all these European lumps are) I'm damned if I'm going to pay more than I have to for one.

i30 or Alfa. Anything in the middle is a waste of time unless cheaper than the i30, and without the benefit of the warranty and better reliability than most of the European lump manufacturers'.
The Koreans have landed - Alby Back
well they havent landed here. I look down my road to find not a single korean car to be seen...


Hmmm interesting. Inspired by your straw poll and having nothing better to do this morning and by way of a change from "I spy" my son and I conducted the same survey on our road and the others we need to use to get to the main drag.

For reasons I am at a loss to explain, not one Korean car in evidence. They must live somewhere of course but not here for now.
The Koreans have landed - ifithelps
...I look down my road to find not a single korean car to be seen...

They are all at the dealers being (secretly) fixed.
The Koreans have landed - carl_a
...I look down my road to find not a single korean car to be seen...
They are all at the dealers being (secretly) fixed.

Or perhaps having a fun day out with all the money they saved on purchase price and fuel from the more efficient engines ;)
The Koreans have landed - Old Navy
Humph and ifit must live in areas of badge snobbery. :-)
The Koreans have landed - gordonbennet
There's a 08 plate Magentis around the corner good looking car that tends to be overlooked, and several Rio's, Getz's and the like floating about in our 4 road loop too, no Ceeds yet...mainly retired and mature folk here, unfashionable just the way we like it.;)

By the way just got off the phone with son who's best mate has 2 Ceed's
Their own petrol hatch under 10K miles, his company Diesel estate well thrashed and getting up to his 40K annual mileage...apart from servicing nothing but praise to report.

The Koreans have landed - bell boy
several Rio's, Getz's and the like floating about in our 4 road loop too
>>>>
>>>>> are you flooded there then
The Koreans have landed - gordonbennet
>>>>> are you flooded there then


Not yet, but given the evidence (don't dare dispute it) elsewhere it's only a matter of time and it'll be my own fault.
The Koreans have landed - Old Navy
Two Ceed's, three when I get my Ceed SW, two Piccanto's, a Getz, and, an i10. It may be because of the nearby dealers.

Edited by Old Navy on 21/11/2009 at 15:39

The Koreans have landed - ifithelps
I was quite impressed with my brother's Cee'd, and he only got rid because of a pressing need for an auto.

Let down by harsh ride and slightly low rent dashboard and minor controls.

Gearstick position was still not quite right, although I've not looked at the facelifted car.

The Koreans have landed - Alby Back
Humph and ifit must live in areas of badge snobbery. :-)


Possibly ON, but I wouldn't have thought it was anything to do with badges. I could be wrong of course. Genuinely though, you really just don't see them much around here. There is though a KIA dealer only 5 or so miles away in the next town which has been there a good number of years so they must sell them.

Having said that, a lot of folk round here work for Bentley and take the option of a very favourable deal on VAG group cars. I think they have the option to sort of rent them at very good monthly rates. Loads of VWs, Skodas, SEATs and Audis around these parts as a result.

In my road starting from one end there are

A Vauxhall, a Mazda, a Citroen, an Audi, a BMW, a VW, a Ford, a Citroen, two SEATs, another VW, a Vauxhall, two Citroens, a Nissan, two Fords, an Audi, a Vauxhall, a Peugeot, a Lexus, a VW another Audi, another Nissan, two BMWs and two Fords.

Dunno if that's a typical spread but there it is.
The Koreans have landed - Lygonos
Arise Sir Lazarus ;-)

Rather than start a new thread thought I'd tack this on at the end:

www.honestjohn.co.uk/best_deals/item.htm?id=35929

Certainly shows a high level of confidence in their products, pricing, and ability to sell on 09-plate models to their growing customer base (read: private buyers looking for VFM).
The Koreans have landed - L'escargot
One thing which puts me off Korean cars is the dearth of dealers. The nearest Hyundai dealer is 25 miles away; the nearest Ford dealer is 2 miles away.
The Koreans have landed - Harleyman
One thing which puts me off Korean cars is the dearth of dealers. The nearest
Hyundai dealer is 25 miles away; the nearest Ford dealer is 2 miles away.


Depends where you live for one thing. I'm roughly equidistant (30 miles) between two Hyundai dealerships, but I'm blowed if I'm going to spend an extra two or three grand just for the convenience of only having to drive a couple of miles to a dealership. I would suggest that if you need to have a dealership facility so close to home, it doesn't imply that you have much confidence in your car's reliability.

In any case Hyundai offer a year's full RAC cover so if it does die on the driveway it costs me nothing to get it to the dealership.

My own experience with Hyundai is that you don't need to visit very often anyway. We bought our new one from the dealership in Swansea, on the grounds that if we did have to take it in for a service we could use the waiting time for a day in town. The other option was Kilgetty which is near Tenby, so I suppose we could enjoy a day at the seaside instead!

Edited by Harleyman on 26/01/2010 at 15:57

The Koreans have landed - TheOilBurner
We have both a Hyundai and Kia dealer in town, and partly thanks to that, there's lots of both marques round here.

Some family friends have two Hyundais and they're very happy with them.
The Koreans have landed - movilogo
I'd rather buy from a manufacturer who offers longer warranty than a nearer dealer which offers shorter warranty.

If the car is reliable, you rarely need to visit the dealer.
The Koreans have landed - L'escargot
Leaving my car for servicing at a dealership which is 25 miles away would be completely out of the question.
The Koreans have landed - Lygonos
When most services take 1-2 hours, and a hire car/courtesy car is likely to be available it's not a deal-breaker for most.

There's probably about as many Skoda dealers as Hyundai/Kia - they also tend to do well in their local areas.

If Hyundai/Kia sales remain buoyant then they will have to expand delaerships, or risk the existing ones floundering coping with aftersales ie. servicing/warranty work (already a noted complaint about Kia in Whatcar? dealer surveys).
The Koreans have landed - andyp
I took my Kia Cee'd for its first service last Saturday morning, i passed the hour and a half that it was in the workshop sitting on a very comfortable sofa, drinking excellent free coffee, watching BBC Breakfast on a big screen tv and reading some complimentary newspapers, Was hardly an inconvenience at all !
The Koreans have landed - Harleyman
Leaving my car for servicing at a dealership which is 25 miles away would be
completely out of the question.


Might one enquire why?
The Koreans have landed - L'escargot
Might one enquire why?


What would I do during the time that it's being serviced? With my present 2-miles-away dealer I can go home and wait in comfort.
The Koreans have landed - Harleyman
What would I do during the time that it's being serviced? With my present 2-miles-away
dealer I can go home and wait in comfort.


Personally I prefer the adventure. I can be stuck in my own house waiting for something to happen any time I like!
The Koreans have landed - L'escargot
I'd rather buy from a manufacturer who offers longer warranty than a nearer dealer which
offers shorter warranty.


Firstly, I don't suppose the terms of the warranty are constant for the whole of the 7 years. Secondly, the cost to the manufactuurer/dealer of warranty claims is factored into the selling price of the car. If the warranty was shorter the selling price would be lower.
The Koreans have landed - Carl2
Often wonder if the north and south will blow each other up at sometime. Suppose if the cars are not made there it shouldn,t be such a problem. Didn,t the VW factory that made their (VW) pick ups get destroyed during the Yugoslavian war.
The Koreans have landed - L'escargot
Recent tales of woe regarding Hyundai orders.
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?f=2&t=82...6
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?f=2&t=78...0
The Koreans have landed - greyhound
Ok, here's my family's experiences regarding Hyundai and our cars:

Some members of the family need white goods cars, my mother now 77 bought her first Hyundai, a Getz CDX 1.1 with 5 year warranty AND 5 Year free servicing at the time in 02, no probems at all during that period and 50k miles. The final 6 year service was £500 including brakes which seemed pricey so she decided to switch to an I10 Auto. No problems since then.

Quality fittings such as a nice wool headlining and thoughtful features made the Getz an acceptable vehicle.

The I10 Auto has been an absolutely fantastic car with 5 year warranty too, so much so that my other half has traded an old van under scrappage and got one too, Honest John's reviews of these cars are spot on. The auto is brilliant around town and cruises easily at 80.

My real interest is non white goods cars, I have a 69 Rover P5b and an Elan SE Turbo 91, the Volvo 740 estate carries the dogs.

All this value motoring leaves money to look after the classics while the Hyundais start stop and go on command and the auto proved fantastic in the snow too when the Volvo failed to get a grip...

We even received a thank u from the local dealer of a 50 pound gift voucher from M&S thanking us for our trade advising that they sold twice the number of cars as planned for in 2009!