Overtaking ban on A12 - CGNorwich
It is being proposed that lorries are confined to the nearside lane on the A12 because of the congestion being caused by overtaking maneuvers and in particular delays being caused to emergency vehicles. I know there are similar bans already in force on parts of the A14. Is this a reasonable proposal and should it be something that should perhaps be applied to all busy dual carriageways?

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Overtaking ban on A12 - Old Navy
As all HGV's are limited to the same speed it should not be a problem. Technically they cant go fast enough to overtake each other anyway.
Overtaking ban on A12 - Lud
Oddly enough I did Colchester and back today for a dozen oysters at West Mersea and a bit of literary babble with a couple of old buddies.

There's only one really quick bit, on the Londonbound side about a third of the way. Only place today the needle went anywhere near 90, mostly on the down side. But there were a couple of people going a bit quicker. I only do it a couple of times a year.

Colchester traffic today was a nightmare, far worse than most of London (although there were bad bits there too). And there was a crash blocking the West Mersea road and sending everyone back and round by the scenic route. Motoring isn't all insouciant belting.

I forgot to add that on the way out of London I footled about and took a wrong route on the North Circular. Went over a kerb with both n/s wheels too. But gently, and it wasn't a sharp one.

Edited by Lud on 05/11/2009 at 23:15

Overtaking ban on A12 - tack
I use the A12 to get to work every day (against traffic flow, thankfully). I go from Brook Street roundabout to J19. I have to say that even driving against rush hour traffic flow, the journey can take longer than it should. This is entirely due to slow HGV's overtaking slower HGV's and mimsers near major junctions.

Coming off at J19 requires mathematical calculations of Einstein proportions in working out speed v distance v mass to off ramp when you look at the line of lorries in outside lane. Do you do 50.000000001 mph in outside lane and hope to cut in at last moment? Or do you hang around interminably at 49.000000001 mph on the inside lane?

But, hey ho, traffic is traffic and who am I to say my journey is more important than anyone else's. If I was in the back of an ambulance.....that would be a different matter
Overtaking ban on A12 - pd
The A12 is one of those roads which clearly needs to be a 3 lane road, ideally to motorway standard, but is a hotchpotch of bypasses, bits dualled before the war and some 3 lane sections.

It has been obvious for decades but nothing has ever been done. They spent millions on a "multi-modal" study in about 2000 which came up with the recommendation of, yes, making it 3 lanes to Colchester. To quote Basil Fawlty: multi-modal study, specialised subject spending millions and stating the bleeding obvious. The DFT ignored their own study and decided to bung in some laybys or something. Still, they have started the Hatfield Peverel junctions improvement which was originally scheduled for the mid-80's this week so perhaps in 25 years time they'll look at it again.

As for Colchester it has a terrible road layout and getting from one side to the other of what isn't a huge town is relentless misery any time of the day. From the west side of the town if you want to go to say, a shop on the east it is frequently quicker to drive to Tesco's, B&Q or whatever in Ipswich or Chelmsford then drive 4 miles across town.

It will get worse as Colchester is a classic example of what happens when you bung about 10,000 new houses in an already congested town with absolutely no infrastructure improvements whatsoever.
Overtaking ban on A12 - Altea Ego
Waste of time. The outside lane ban on lorries on the very short section of 0f the A14 is not policed and extensively ignored.
Overtaking ban on A12 - daveyjp
There's a similar 'ban' on the A42 northbound for about 10 miles - max weight 7.5 tonnes in outside lane during certain hours.

I only generally use the section at weekends when it's quieter, but one Sunday we came across Mr and Mrs Mimser in an ancient Metro doing about 35mph. Nice dilemma for the 10 tonne coach who caught them up.
Overtaking ban on A12 - idle_chatterer
I have to say that I'm generally in favour of 2nd lane lorry bans at certain times of the day, you see this a lot on the continent and it it seems to me that makes the traffic flow better at rush hours.

But then I'm not a lorry driver.....

I'm sure there are many circumstances when a lorry needs to overtake a slower vehicle - say one doing 45mph ? However if we accept a compromise like a peak period ban then perhaps some of the more frustrating behaviours like a 56.1 mph lorry overtaking one travelling at 55.9mph will be less disruptive to other road users ?

An aside, but you also see cruise control bans on these same stretches of continental road (and I admit to liking cruise control).
Overtaking ban on A12 - pyruse
The ban on trucks in the outside lane on the A14 at peak times seems to be completely ignored as far as I can tell.
Unless such a ban is enforced, it's pretty pointless.
Overtaking ban on A12 - idle_chatterer
The ban on trucks in the outside lane on the A14 at peak times seems
to be completely ignored as far as I can tell.
Unless such a ban is enforced it's pretty pointless.


But doesn't the same argument apply to speeding, tailgating, undertaking, bus lanes, parking etc which are only enforced when police or cameras are present ? Doesn't mean that the associated regulations are pointless, just that people transgress and get away with it ?
Overtaking ban on A12 - Alanovich
It'd be a piece of cake to police. All you need is a bloke sitting at a screen in the camera control room, recording the number plate of every lorry he spots in the wrong lane. He's sat there as we speak. Presuming there are traffic cameras on the A12, but if not I'm sure they'd be hoist up their poles sharpish at the prospect of a few juicy fines.

Just as happened when I chanced in to a bus lane in Reading, there was a good ol' boy sat at his screen just a-waiting to catch his bunny rabbit. I duly coughed up £several.
Overtaking ban on A12 - Altea Ego
If it was enforced by a camera system and fixed penalty it would work.

Its not, it hasnt, and it doesent.
Overtaking ban on A12 - Alanovich
Living alongside the camera-bedecked M4, it is hard to imagine a major artery not having thousands of cameras these days. The A12 must be such a place. I shall have to pay my first visit to my newly Colchester-residing sister in order to enjoy this oddity.

We even have access to view the M4 traffic cameras through the local council's website. So far, I've found it of absolutely zero use in avoiding a traffic jam.
Overtaking ban on A12 - perro
I know the A12 quite well as I was in an approved school in Dovercourt + my wife hails from Brentwood but - any such dual carriageway carrying a high number of HGV's would benefit from overtaking restrictions - the benefit being to *all* other road users.