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Barrichello must fancy his chances
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>>Barrichello must fancy his chances<<
Which is why he will most likely stuff it into the barrier on teh first lap, then claim a conspiracy :-)
Shaping up to be a good race though, well done to Sutil for showing some class. Its a shame all races arent in the wet - would mean we would never hear the end of Webbers whinging mind you.
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>>... and they swap it to BBC2....marvellous....so I miss it.
I was watching the recording up to the point where they said they were switching to BBC2 (by which time the BBC coverage had finished). I can't believe they saw much if anything on BBC2 though as it went on so long.
Button must still be favourite for the championship unless he goes to pieces. Even then RB will need 15 points from 2 races.
I'm daring to look look forward to this one, though fear it will be ruined by a safety car.
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Should be a cracker, especially if it rains.
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Button must still be favourite for the championship unless he goes to pieces. Even then RB will need 15 points from 2 races.
I hope barricello wins the champtionship.
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I hope barricello wins the champtionship.
Being patriotic myself, I hope Button wins the championship.
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Button does not deserve it.
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Button does not deserve it.
He's won six races and has more points than anyone else. What do you have to do to deserve it?
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You have to have some spirit, some desire and some get up and go
Anyone who says before a race "I am going to play this safe" deserves to get trounced.
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You have to have some spirit some desire and some get up and go
Well, having won six races he obviously got up and went.
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Button does not deserve it.
I hope you feel a bit shamefaced now AE.
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... and they swap it to BBC2....marvellous....so I miss it.
I was going to suggest www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer , but there is the comment on the BBC2 listings "Formula 1 7:30 pm (Not available)"
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I watched the full quali on the BBC F1 website.
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The only thing more boring than F1 is F1 qualifying!!!
Having said that, as usual, I will have TV on this afternoon hoping that the race is not yet another boring procession....
Will have the ironing board set up just in case to at least put the time to good use....
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Will have the ironing board set up just in case to at least put the time to good use....
I have a mk 1 wife for that
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Damn - its dry
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Couldn't sleep this morning, got up early and found Moto GP from Philip Island on Beeb 1. Rossi and Stoner must have round objects of steel! 200+ mph on the main straight and really close until the last few laps when Stoner pulled away or Rossi dropped back. Re F1, Button may win but he doesn't have the aura of a champion about him.
Edited by Armitage Shanks {p} on 18/10/2009 at 17:13
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Still on the Mk1 - does a Mk2 get any better?
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Did you notice that Friday practice was on channel 302 (Freeview)? Along with "classic" Brazilian GPs as a very nice filler. I think that's the BBC red button channel. My Humax found it for me when I couldn't believe that practice wasn't on somewhere. One to remember maybe.
JH
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So, How sick must Honda be now?
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Quite convenient that Rubens got that puncture.....
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Quite convenient that Rubens got that puncture.....
It wouldn't have mattered, Button would still have been world champion. I'm not a "My country right or wrong" type (I'm Irish anyway), but there does seem to be a very mean spirited attitude towords Jensenm as there was towards Hamilton last year.
He won the championship on merit, get over it.
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>> Quite convenient that Rubens got that puncture..... >> It wouldn't have mattered Button would still have been world champion. I'm not a "My country right or wrong" type (I'm Irish anyway) but there does seem to be a very mean spirited attitude towords Jensenm as there was towards Hamilton last year.
There was no mean spirit from me. Hamilton fought for hios championship despite people trying to bend the rules away from him
He won the championship on merit get over it.
Luck. Luck had a great deal to do with it. Button won *despite* himself.
Sorry this will go down as the least deserved in History
Good to see Braun do well tho
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Sorry this will go down as the least deserved in History
Not that you're bitter or anything.
So how far ahead in the "deserve to win stakes" would Herman the German be when he won by ramming his rivals off the track?
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Bitter? LOL Bitter about what? You can Only be bitter about something you have lost. This was never in my radar of achievement so its not a "bitter" about subject.
I can be critical tho. I have that right because i pay his wages. I have also watched every GP this year. From start to finish.
How far ahead in the better racing driver stakes was Herman the German? About as far ahead as its possible to be. And further
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It was a great race AE. You're being a football fan again. Button did a bit more than the necessary with some very delicate and gutsy on-the-edge stuff.
I agree with Westpig about Mark Webber - impeccable drive - and the cold reaction of the audience. Hope he got to his hotel in one piece. Lewis Hamilton did even better than Button, with a better car.
Barichello had a bad day and some bad luck, but was decently sporting afterwards. The oldest man on the grid is very personable.
That Tonio Liuzzi's got some rabbit hasn't he? Perhaps it was just adrenalin after his crash in qualifying, but I was very impressed by his machine-gun delivery in comprehensible, grammatical English. Another hard-bitten metroplitan Italian like the Frrari number 2, but more to say for himself. If F1 doesn't suit he could make a living as an expert commentator.
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So How sick must Honda be now?
I don't think they'd have won (both the championship & constructors championship) if they had continued using the Honda engines.
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Still on the Mk1 - does a Mk2 get any better?
the depreciation on the Mk1 is huge so is the cost to change.
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Since its beyond many, ill say it. Well done Jenson. I watched the race and he really earned it.
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I think we can say that Button zipped it up today.
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And me - boring sport for me - nice to see underdogs (and British as well) winning - good stuff.
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What a tremendous race. I'd be hard pushed for a nomination for driver of the day though...
Webber...faultless, won it seemingly with ease
Hamilton...gained so many places, raced hard (as always) the whole time and grabbed a podium place
Button...some of the best overtakes i've seen for a long, long time and gained plenty of places
Vettel.. never gave up, gained a load of places, inc passing Button via the pits
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felt a bit sorry for Webber...he'd won a good race and everyone seemed to be concentrating on other things
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How can anyone "deserve" to win? As with any sport like this, you win by scoring more points than anyone else - how you do it is irrelevant. Luck - there's no such thing.
I thing we should be celebrating the fact that a British driver and a British team won the championship this.
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>>So, How sick must Honda be now?
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Agreed, will the board who decided on the pull out of F1 get sacked?
And I reckon Honda's reputation has been dented more widely with Yamaha stuffing them in MotoGP.
Jenson Button can convince us all in Abu Dhabi if he wants to. >>
Convince us HJ? I dont need convincing, he has won it with a race to go and in a decisive manor. If anything it was Hamilton who was unconvincing lucking in to 5th place while his rival dominated the race in the most treacherous conditions.
He entertained today with the best overtakes of the race.
Agreed!
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Why is that some people always see the need to have a dig at Hamilton, I wonder... Perhaps we should put both of them in the TG's reasonably priced car and see who really is the best?!
Well done Button... I await next season with interest... for once...
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Not a dig at Hamilton, rather putting JB into perspective cos HJ seems to say that he needs to convince us still.
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At the end of the day, Jenson won more races this year than anyone else, so he won whichever way you spin it.
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cos HJ seems to say that he needs to convince us still.
I think thats a rather common view, C, it has always seemed with JB that if he didn't have a decent car he gave up trying... his more "laid back" approach may have given people that (false?) impression, but he did nothing in his actions to make people think differently... whereas normally top drivers in that sort of position tended to make their feelings known... and do something about it... Schuey being the ultimate example.
He's won this year and that makes him top driver... but whether he's the best driver is another matter altogether.
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The fact is that it is a team sport though the ultimate accolade is given to the driver alone. Therefore it has often been the case that the best driver has not won the championship.
However Button has won twice as many races as anyone else this season and has won the title with a race to go. Perhaps if he had won six of the last seven rather than six of the first seven the sceptics would be silent.
On your other point Schu was/is exceptional and could/can make the most out of a car in any conditions, more so than probably anyone before and certainly since.
In a good car Button is Schu like in smoothness and consistency though he does not have that ability to make the difference himself when the car is lacking, of the current crop who does? Probably Alonso and Raikonnen have shown that in the past though more recently Massa has had the better of Raikonnen and will soon be measured against Alonso. Kubica may prove to be in the same category. Hamilton is a great racer though has really only performed when the car has been good. Rosberg, maybe? Vettel, probably!
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. Hamilton is a great racer though has really only performed when the car has been good.
Really?! I take it we've been watching a different championship this year then... Hamilton has wrung the neck out of a duff car this year and has even won with it... you definitely have a problem with him don't you.
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Really?! I take it we've been watching a different championship this year then... Hamilton has wrung the neck out of a duff car this year and has even won with
He has done well under the circumstances though improved as te car improved and won when it was frankly the fastest car.
>>it... you definitely have a problem with him don't you.
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No, not at all.
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and won when it was frankly the fastest car.
I don't think that there's been any time this season when MM have had the fastest car.
As for your second comment, its clear from past posts that you do, so we will have to agree to differ on that point...
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I don't think that there's been any time this season when MM have had the
fastest car. >>
Hungary, they had the fastest car in ebery session by for qualifying Q3 IIRC.
As for your second comment its clear from past posts that you do so we will have to agree to differ on that point...
I am honoured that you are so concerened about my opinions ;-)
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Chedder, I'd suggest you read this summary of JB, it seems a fair reflection of his good and not so good points
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/83...m
Re the first bit... one race, eh, cor!
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I have a lot of respect for Mark Hughes, he writes a lot of good stuff and some carp, this is somewhere in the middle.
Re JB, look at 2004 in a season, when Ferrari won all but three races and those three went to three different teams, Button was the class of the (non Ferrari) field getting the best out of the good though not great BAR and acheiving enough of a gap over Alonso to also give BAR 2nd in the constructor's championship.
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Re JB look at 2004 in a season when Ferrari won all but three races and those three went to three different teams Button was the class of the (non Ferrari)
I'm not denying he might have been then, but that still doesn't make him a class appart like some drivers... he's an excellent driver who got the right car this season, but he's not the best out there, there are several others who are better, Alonso and Hamilton were mentioned, I'd probably add Massa to that list... Thats not to demean what he did, he was in the right car and took full advantage of it, many drivers have done that in the past and won, several of them British, which as far as I'm concerned as British person myself is great for all of us in this country! But that doesn't make him the best...
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The fact is that it is a team sport ... >>
Yes ... if you are driving a Ferrari (cos that is how Kimi won in 2007 with a lot of help from team mate Massa) but not if you are in a McLaren (cos that is how Hamilton lost in 2007 with a lot of hindrance from the team-enemy within).
Similarly in 2008, Hamilton won despite not much help from lacklustre team mate Heikki whereas Massa came within an inch of winning with great support from team mate Kimi.
I can only assume that some people have a pathological hatred of Hamilton and/or McLaren. (was there perhaps some event in their life linked to the team?)
As for HJ's comment on forthcoming race at Abu Dhabi, I agree that the race there will allow Button to show his true potential unhindered by any need to play it safe.
He can now go all out racing agressively without any fear.
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The fact is that it is a team sport ... >>
Yes ... if you are driving a Ferrari >>
No jbif, I dont mean team as it the two drivers, I mean team as in the 100s of technicians etc etc etc as acknowledged by Button yesterday.
It is therefore true that if the team build the best car ity may not be the best driver that wins.
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>Hamilton who was unconvincing lucking in to 5th place while his rival dominated the race >in the most treacherous conditions.
Did you watch the same race? Dominated? treacherous conditions?
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Did you watch the same race? Dominated? treacherous conditions?
That comment refered to last year RF, comparing with how Button won the title relative to Hamilton in the light of the suggestion that Button still needs to convince.
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Button doesn't need to convince me.
First part of the season he walked all over Barrichello.
Second part of the season the Brawn's early advantage had gone. Yes Barrichello out performed Button in practice and who knows there may well have been some collywobbles from Button in the practising, it would seem so...but look at how he performed in the races themselves. Invariably he'd have a damned good drive from nowhere, grabbing a few points that seemed impossible from his grid position.
Edited by Westpig on 19/10/2009 at 11:52
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Am I the only one looking forward to seeing Hamilton against Kimi in a McLaren ( hopefully ) and Alonso vs Massa? - it makes next season a VERY interesting prospect as that will certainly separate the good champions from the great ones when they are driving the same cars.
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Am I the only one looking forward to seeing Hamilton against Kimi in a McLaren ( hopefully ) and Alonso vs Massa? - it makes next season a VERY interesting prospect as that will certainly separate the good champions from the great ones when they are driving the same cars.
Alas we will never see the ultimate....
Raikonon and Hamilton in the silver corner vs Alonso and Schumacher in the red corner.
Alonso would be doing plenty of whining then.
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Alas we will never see the ultimate.... Raikonon and Hamilton in the silver corner vs Alonso and Schumacher in the red corner. Alonso would be doing plenty of whining then.
Maybe, there is talk of three cars at some races.
Though I reckon Massa will take on Alonso, after all he has had the measure of Raikonnen who was, in the absence of Sch, considered the fastest driver in F1 went he went to Ferrari.
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Raikonon just turns up, drives the car, if he likes the feel of it he drives it really fast, if he doesent care for it he sleeps for the weekend and flies home.
Raik has no team input or cares about place in the team or polotics or anything
Alonso on the other hand, has to be seen as top dog. with everyone in the team doffing their cap to him.
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Alonso would be doing plenty of whining then. >>
First time I read it, I thought you had written "winning"!
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I've never really got F1. Its just car doing pretty much identical laps for hours. Give me rallying any day.
However, the 'will Button win' question had me hooked on the coverage for the latter part of the season and Button V Hamilton next year is shaping up for a fine scrap.
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