The Court (if approved) have the power to DISQUALIFY.
A couple of months ban would have got the message across better.
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if he hadn't driven off it would have been just a (lower) fixed fine, or warning?
... or if he'd blushed, said sorry and picked the litter up perhaps he'd have got away with it.
Slobs deliberately grotting up the streets for the rest of us are indeed a low form of life. But a very numerous one too in the metropolis. In the end you get used to it.
Couple of weeks ago some Irish blokes finished repaving the pavement in the next block to me. Using some sort of grey stone with brown streaks in it (may be a composite but looks like stone). Before they had even finished there were pools of vomit blackening in three places, one immediately in front of the P&D machine. The black blobs of chewing gum are multiplying apace. Naturally people's pit bulls are dropping their turds. And the place where the beggars sit outside the Pakistani chain supermarket and the undertaker never lost its agreeable patina of beer and urine and roll-up ends.
In Paris they wash the pavements and gutters in a lot of areas every couple of days. Here they never do. A daily tropical downpour is what we need in London.
Roll on global warming I say.
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In Paris they wash the pavements and gutters in a lot of areas every couple of days. Here they never do.
When I worked just off The Strand in central London, I used to arrive at the office work early enough to see a machine washing the pavement. Curiously, tho, the machine only bothered with the places where the homeless people used to sleep in the doorways ... so eventually the police took pity and used to wake them up before they got soaked.
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The issue is not so much the severity of the punishment as the probability of detection and subsequent action. The same as a lot of petty crime.
If the detection and conviction rate was 100%, then a five pound fine would be sufficient punishment. If the probability of conviction is around the same level as winning the lottery, then even imprisonment won't deter people.
The fact that this fine is sufficiently newsworthy to be worth reporting indicates to me that the conviction rate is very low.
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I worked on Soho at one time and they used to wash the streets, Greek Street along by L'escargot, round by the theatre on Old Compton Street.
Chewing gum is a problem, it is such tough stuff when trodden down and hardened for a few days, reckon they should use it to fix tiles on to space shuttles. Or perhaps make roads and footpaths out of it to start with.
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It was not a motoring offence, the offence was litter not doing 'donuts' in the car park. No pun intended. Regards peter
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Was just thinking that too. Best punishment to my mind would be to get him back over the peak weekend hours cleaning the car park in bright pink coveralls.
Businesses as well as patrons should be made more accountable for the state of their premises.
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I witnessed this behaviour whilst sitting inside such an establishment and looking out at the car park, 3 spotty youths were eating sat in their car, finished up and opened the doors and placed the bags on the car park started the car with a dustbin for an exhaust and pulled off SMACK into the side of a car entering the car park. Justice I thought but then of course they had wrecked another persons car, but I did laugh a lot. But I did go out and gave the other car my business card for there insurance company, and I did later provide them with a statement. Regards Peter
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Good result!
After all my years in law enforcement I still have difficulty comprehending the mindset of people who drop litter and more so those that drive out into the countryside and fly tip when the council provide more than adequate waste sites.
Public humiliation and enforced work to clean up the environment, that's the way forward!
Edited by Fullchat on 29/09/2009 at 18:33
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The offender was driving a Renault Clio.
That confirms everything I have long suspected.
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That confirms everything I have long suspected.
That offenders drive Clios? That Clio drivers are offenders?
What do you drive drbe? I imagine there are people here who have deeply-held suspicions about that too.
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I am sorry if my humour was a little too dry.
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I`ve just seen a Mk1 Punto going through the City. It had lowered suspension, a side window covered with polythene (broken into) narrow front wheels and big wide alloys of double the width on the back. It looked like a dragster from a tyre perspective.
This thing trundled on, into the City and out the other side.... no problem...
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sorry if my humour was a little too dry.
Gah! It is I who should apologise for being slow drbe. The best satire is only a whisker away from the real thing.
Come to think of it sometimes, in public life anyway, it actually is the real thing.
My middle daughter has a nice little Clio rollerskate that she hasn't pranged, unlike the long-suffering Golf that preceded it. I think it suits her, fingers crossed.
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Went to my local Co-op the other day. Outside were two young lads eating sandwiches.
They were actually leaning on a rubbish bin. When I came out of the shop they had gone and there were two sandwich packages lying on the pavement.
The same day, I saw a rather attractive, well dressed lady come out of a shop, unwrap an ice cream and drop the wrapper on the floor. I picked it up and said 'Excuse me but I think you have dropped this.'
She looked me in the eye said 'No, I don't think I did.'
I think I am turning into Victor Meldrew sometimes..........
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Anyone caught at a Mcdonalds should be prosecuted....
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Anyone caught at a Mcdonalds should be prosecuted....
The one thing that really annoys me about the McDonalds in Carmarthen is the brown sign on the A48 just before the island, which displays a crossed fork and spoon; two items I've never seen on my infrequent visits to the place. Most of the customers don't seem to know how to eat with fingers never mind cutlery and I suspect the staff aren't allowed sharp objects anyway!
I always thought those brown signs were reserved for bona fide restaurants and the like, even good transport cafes can't always get them so why should a national junk food chain be so honoured?
Mrs H, BTW is a Mcdonalds afficionado and tells me the food in the Carmarthen branch tastes worse than the packaging. You have been warned!
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Just watching Goodwood revival on ITV4, and really believe we need Sir Stirling Moss in Govt to deal with these sorts of issues.
The man is an inspiration to listen too, with wit, manners and a sense of common decency that is too sadly lacking these days.
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>>Anyone caught at a Mcdonalds should be prosecuted....
Oh dear!
SWMBO and myself are quite fond of their McFlurries. A reasonably priced ice-cream.
Edited by bathtub tom {p} on 29/09/2009 at 23:09
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As ever it starts with the parents. A more suitable punishment would be a month of community service, litter picking, with the punishment doubling with each offense.
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As ever it starts with the parents. A more suitable punishment would be a month of community service litter picking with the punishment doubling with each offense.
It is my mother who insists on throwing litter out of cars. I shout at her and tell her off but she has done it for years and at 76 I doubt she will change
Parents!
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>>It is my mother who insists on throwing litter out of cars. I shout at her and tell her off but she has done it for years and at 76 I doubt she will change<<
Maybe you should start throwing piles of litter through her windows and into her garden etc. Nothing like the boot being on the other foot.
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Anyone who threw litter out of my car wouldn't get in it again.
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Indeed, someone did that to me after I asked them not to and I made them get out and walk the rest of the way back ( about 3 miles ). I simply wont stand for such enourmous disrespect for ones enviroment.
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Anyone who threw litter out of my car wouldn't get in it again.
Same here, unless it's biodegradeable and dumped in the right place. A banana skin on an urban street is a no-no, but an apple core slung into a rural ditch or thicket hedge has been disposed of more appropriately than one wrapped in a plastic bag and placed in landfill.
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