Now that it is getting dark earlier, watch out for motorbikes.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQS6DK7y1vg
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Nasty, but all too common.
Two things I noticed; bike was perhaps rather close to the car in front (which does not excuse the car driver failing to see him) and also, the driver of the grey car behind was in no hurry to get out and assist the obviously injured biker, in fact it looks like he scarpered. That in itself is shameful.
Classic case of SMIDSY I daresay.
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I've run the clip several times to see if there is a lesson to be learned.
Motorcyclist appears to be wearing full protective clothing and a high viz vest. ;-)
Cars are emerging from a one way street and it appears to be fairly busy.
Driver of red car has not seen motorcyclist because it is hidden behind the first car. The car behind the motorcyclist, visible to red car is some distance away. Driver has made the decision that there is no immediate traffic from the right to prevent emerging.
Red car is emerging from the junction and driver must be focused to left as the main road is a bend and the driver has pulled out immediately behind the car infront of the motorcyclist which will obscure vision to left hence the focus of concentration.
Whilst I would not apportion blame on the motorcyclist, in hindsight it may have been more appropriate to have increased the distance between the car infront and to have moved to the nearside to have 'shown' themselves to the red car waiting to emerge. If the motorcyclist had been a car then there would have been some of its nearside showing to the red car.
Whilst the driver of the red car is clearly at fault defensive riding may have saved pain and hassle at the very least.
Easy with hindsight! Rider looked in pain but may just have avoided an impact on left leg.
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I've run the clip several times to see if there is a lesson to be learned. Motorcyclist appears to be wearing full protective clothing and a high viz vest. ;-) Cars are emerging from a one way street and it appears to be fairly busy.
I also have watched this a few times.
what I see from it is as follows;
1/Hi-viz vest is pretty useless from the front view, in fact it is hardly noticeable!
2/motorcycle is travelling approximately 2 car lengths from the car in front, and to the right side of the lane, which is normally that safer place to be - allows you to see past the car in front, and also gives you an escape route, away from left hand turnings, and pedestrians with a death wish.
3/ the red car starts to pull out as the black one passes (in fact they ride the clutch - notice the car rocking), but cant be looking to his right - the immediate direction of danger.
traffic coming from the left is secondary danger.
4/opposite the junction is a pub, which has a carpark entrance to the right of the junction. (red car pulls into it after the impact)
that is a place where a car could have been pulling out, as the black car passed, and would have been in the place of the motorcycle. that confirms my point in (3/) ie red car not looking to their right, and the fact that the right is the primary danger zone.
5/car appears to impact riders left leg... nasty.
6/also noticed that at 0.13seconds the black car flashes, then stops to allow a car parked on the wrong side of the road to move off.
the motorcycle also appears to stop.
that would mean that the road speed of the black car, and motorcycle wouldnt have been very high. 30 limit anyway...
IMO red car not taking enough notice of surroundings, motorcyclist very unlucky.
>>Whilst the driver of the red car is clearly at fault defensive riding may have saved pain and hassle at the very least.
just what should the motorcyclist done to be more defensive? bar staying at home?
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>> the driver of the grey car behind was in no hurry to get out and assist the obviously injured biker, in fact it looks like he scarpered. That in itself is shameful.
Indeed, the grey Passat driver appears to pick their way through the debris in order to make a swift exit. They were in the perfect position to give a witness account in the biker's favour too.
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...just what should the motorcyclist done to be more defensive...
Not ride so close to the car in front and a foot or two to the left.
This would give the driver emerging from the junction more time to see the bike.
Having said that, the car driver is 100 per cent to blame.
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"3/ the red car starts to pull out as the black one passes (in fact they ride the clutch - notice the car rocking), but cant be looking to his right - the immediate direction of danger.
traffic coming from the left is secondary danger."
Assuming the red car driver did not pull out on purpose then the point I was trying to make was what processes were occurring in the drivers mind at the time. Having not seen the bike and the next vehicle some way off then that area from the red car drivers point of view was safe. Emerging around the rear of the passing car which would mask traffic approaching from the left at that point was in the mind of the red car drivers only area of potential threat.
As a bike rider myself like most others have had close shaves and after the event I am sure we reflect and see if there is anything which we could have done which would have prevented the situation. If we can see areas of potential threat because we understand why drivers have done what they have done, albeit they are in the wrong, then we are one step ahead of the game and hopefully have many safe riding years ahead.
Defensive driving is dynamic and all about constantly monitoring potential threats and minimising those threats by changing road position, gaps and speed. I would suggest that a junction with cars emerging is a greater potential threat than a pub entrance with nothing emerging.
In no way am I criticising the bike rider I am just trying to learn from their bad experience.
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i watched it
i cant see its anything more than a simple accident
however as said the car behind that picked its way through the accident to disappear into the night is a sad indictement of todays (i saw nowting ) attitude unfortunately
thats unforgiveable
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It has just occurred to me that as a rider we should also be looking for 'eye contact' from other drivers. Accepting that it was dark but apparently well lit then the bike rider with different positioning may well have seen that the red car driver was not looking in their direction, again a sign of potential danger.
Roadcraft states if my memory serves me correctly is that "a hazard is any situation that contains an element of actual or potential danger"
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Roadcraft states if my memory serves me correctly is that "a hazard is any situation that contains an element of actual or potential danger"
I agree.
the reason I mentioned the pub entrance was not for the motorcycle (he should have glanced in that direction as normal observation) but as a possible danger for the red car, IF a car had exited from the pub they most likely would have dropped in behind the black car - causing the red car a major problem!
I am also a motorcyclist, and not matter my form of transport, my motto is 'think what the stupidest thing that could happen right now?'
all too often it happens!
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to start with the bike was reasonably close to the car in front....but then as it nears the junction it drops back a bit and has its' right indicator on....i'm not convinced the motorcyclist wasn't planning a right turn, which may well have had his concentration away from the main hazard (not that in any way do i think the m/c was to blame for the accident).
the other thing is, to start with was the m/c in the blind spot of the car pulling out i.e. the roof pillar
there does seem to be a remarkable amount of lack of awareness of the car driver once he actually started to pull out beariomng in mind it was fairly low speed......eyesight test?
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>>there does seem to be a remarkable amount of lack of awareness of the car driver once he actually started to pull out beariomng in mind it was fairly low speed......eyesight test?
As FC said, he can't have been looking in front of him - despite having been obscured as he approached, the motorcyclist was in plain view in front of the driver when the latter pulled out. He must have been looking left, or maybe even right, but not in front. I guess you're suggesting his peripheral vision might be poor.
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Going off at a slight tangent, in my opinion there should be roadside signs for the attention of motorcyclists saying "Think Car". They're certainly needed on the winding roads of the parts of Lincolnshire which some groups of motorcyclists treat as race tracks.
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