Car dealer working from home. - sky5000
Hi we have a new neighbour on our street & i have recently noticed an increase in cars coming down our road, it appear that the new owner is selling cars from his home, is this illegal? Does he need permission from the council?

It is an end terrace so he has plenty of room, he has 3 cars on the drive & he has a large garage in the back of his house with 2 or 3 cars in there, i have noticed several cars coming in with trade plates & have seen him taking customers on test drives with trade plates.

I decided to investigate & found his website, it appears his a legitimate car dealer (limited co) who recently closed down his 25 car site & now sells from home, I guess the recession has effected him, his website shows his a limited co, registered with vat, registered with dvla, has debit credit card facilities, offers finance the whole usual dealer package!

I have no problem with the cars, as they all seem to be 34 year old cars minimum £5000, no one has complained, his not got any signs on the cars & only parks on his drive way or in his garage, any visitors park out side his driveway

The questions is he allowed & should I be concerned? Thanks for the advice.

Edited by Pugugly on 23/08/2009 at 16:40

Car dealer working from home. - enfield freddy
strictly speaking he should not be working from a residential address.

maybe the guy has had to close his garage due to financial difficulties , so why kick he when he,s down?

If he,s not causing problems , then let him be,

Edited by Pugugly on 23/08/2009 at 16:40

Car dealer working from home. - BB
I agree entirely with Freddy, he is obviously making an effort not to cause any problems with the neighbours.

Times are hard at the moment, and while a lot of the public are not directly affected with the recession, us peeps in the automotive sector haven't had it so bad for a long time.

Well said Freddy.
Car dealer working from home. - gordonbennet
If he s not causing problems then let him be


My thoughts exactly, you've noticed he's keeping to his own land apart from visitors, so long as he continues to trade with respect for his neighbours lives then 'live and let live'.

If he leaves there could be room for all sorts there by the sounds of it.
Car dealer working from home. - Simon
I agree, if he is causing no problems then just let it be. I am sure that he will only be trading from home because the economic climate has forced him into it and once the market picks up I reckon he is likely to be one of the first home traders to find proper business premises once again.

At least he isn't one of the 'dodgy' folk who trade from home who make out that they are only a private seller and try to negate their actual responsibilites of being a motor trader and as it would seem that everything is above board (vat registered, offers finance and is registered with the dvla etc) you never know everything may be squared with the council too anyway.
Car dealer working from home. - sky5000
i do agree to a certain point, however i am concerned when things get busy the road get busy, at times there have been 5 visitors in a day! & i have seen other firms arriving in sign writing vehicles, dent repairs, smart repairs etc etc

is he allowed to operate from home?
Car dealer working from home. - madf
He needs planning permission..

Ask the council.
Car dealer working from home. - enfield freddy
" at times there have been 5 visitors in a day! "


lucky person , do you not get that many?

keep the net curtains twitching ??


I,d be worried now , if I lived on your street , getting a delivery from dixons , or having someone come to mend the TV

leave him be , as stated above , once he gets sorted and the recesion lessens , he will probably be glad to reopen a garage , and alloy his home for privete perposes.

Car dealer working from home. - sky5000
i sometimes have more than 5 visitors a day, depends on how long my husband is away for......

my sister had a car dealer living down the road & it become very busy & congested with cars, thats my concern, his garage is accessed by a shared private road for most of the street & i know from speaking to his neighbour there has been noise at times..

i am worried that he could effect the house prices, lowest house on the road is £300k..
Car dealer working from home. - Rattle
I don't really see the issue here to be honest. I trade from my home and sometimes visitors. I am always coming and going with computer equipment.

The council knows I trade from home, the mortgage company (my parents) know so what is the issue?

5 visitors in a day. I live near two schools and if we just had five strange vehicles parked round here today it would be like the world as ended.

Edit since I post this two minutes ago I have seen three strange cars drive past and I live on a quiet road. I am now going to right to council and complain that is a disgrace.

Edit a neighbour runs a magazine company from his house, there is lots of deliveries but what is the issue? He is just making an honest living.

Edited by Rattle on 23/08/2009 at 17:33

Car dealer working from home. - Martin Wall
My tuppenceworth:

- did you want to live in a residential area or an industrial estate?

- I have experience of something similar and the 'live and let live' approach did not work. We had cars parked all around the streets and people taking test drives where kids play. Get it sorted now would be my advice....
Car dealer working from home. - sky5000
thank you martin, thats exactly the sort of problem i am worried out..i know he has bills & the mortgage & a lovely lovely wife but why should i suffer?
Car dealer working from home. - enfield freddy
BUT YOU ARE NOT SUFFERING!

If the "PROBLEM" gets bigger (than none at the moment)

then have quiet word with him.


aorry , mods , this is bugging me
Car dealer working from home. - gordonbennet
For goodness sake, he has by your admission up to 5 visitors a day and keeps his cars on his own land, don't try him and convict him for something he hasn't yet done.

It's hardly industrial use with artic chemical tankers arriving all hours, and smoking chimney stacks is it?

Poor feller, doesn't he realise that this simply will not do.
Car dealer working from home. - sky5000
actually his had car transporters turn up with 3 cars!
Car dealer working from home. - BB
Seems like you have already made your mind up.

Don't get me wrong, im not in your position but why make a problem out of something that you already state, isn't really causing you any problems. £300k hey? No wonder he can afford to live there, he hasn't got any rent to pay on premises ;-)

Car dealer working from home. - Old Navy
Have you complained about the dustcart using "your" street to empty your bins yet? It must make the place look really untidy. Give the guy a break, he probably doesnt like working from home either.
Car dealer working from home. - sky5000
Obviously I can see this is male driven environment!

It is an issue like I said before, can anyone tell me what I can do? Call the police?

i just drove past, he had a customer turn up & they went through the gate on the side of his house were the cars are, surley his not allowed?
Car dealer working from home. - BB
Oh my gosh, he went through the gate on his own house.....
Car dealer working from home. - enfield freddy
yes I have changed my mind!

please disregard all my previous postings


report him to

I_want_to_report_my_neighbour@I_have_nothing_better_to_do.com

Car dealer working from home. - BB
You originally said it wasn't a problem and now you have changed your mind and it is now a problem.

If you said it was a problem in the first place you would have had a lot of different replies.


Car dealer working from home. - jbif
Obviously I can see this is male driven environment! >>


No, I don't think that is the reason. You are asking in the wrong forum.
Ask on consumer advice forums and you may get a reply supporting your views.

:-) There are car traders who post on here, who normally happily try to dissuade others who are thinking to start trading from home. :-)

Car dealer working from home. - Armitage Shanks {p}
If you are running a business from your home, whether the neighbours know or care, don't you have to pay buiness rates?
Car dealer working from home. - Alby Back
Not sure how the gender card ended up being played but hey ho !

We live on a private road too and our local estate agents describe the properties as "substantial" whatever that's supposed to mean. If it means they cost a lot then maybe it was once true. Well, they did the last time anyone sold one anyway. Not sure if they're worth much at present but that's a whole other story.

I work from home. I have a downstairs room and what should be my garage converted for that use. Bloke across the road coincidentally does too. My pal round the corner runs his business from home and horror of horrors has a van on the drive ! Imagine the effect that must have on house prices in the close ? Scandalous really. Remarkably we all seem to rub along despite all this chaos. We even, irresponsibly enough, have children playing amongst it all.

;-)
Car dealer working from home. - Armitage Shanks {p}
The covenants relating the houses on my development say "MNo commrecial vans to be parked overnight". There are some there and they aren't large and nobody seems to mind, but they could, if the siutuation got silly re numbers or size, parking on the pavement etc!
Car dealer working from home. - bathtub tom
Covenants.

We've got one on our property referring to wall and fence types. When applying for planning permission I asked what powers the council had in enforcing them.

None came the reply.
Car dealer working from home. - Armitage Shanks {p}
The covenants exist and are legal but the council has no interest in enforcing them SFAIK. When I had a problem along these lines I got a solicitor involved and the matter was resolved, at some slight cost to me.
Car dealer working from home. - gordonbennet
SWMBO's comment to balance the sexist nature of the forum..;)

''this is a woman's point of view, i agree with the other member's of the forum, the guy is doing his best to earn a living, life can be inconvenient, if he loses his home it's anyone's guess who could end up in the house and you could be shooting yourself in the foot.
People are entitled to park on the road, S5 doesn't own the entire road so complaining to the police is a waste of their time.
Give the guy a break, if he become's a problem deal with it then.
I think you are looking for a way to stop him trading for the wrong reasons.''

Car dealer working from home. - doctorchris
This is a contentious issue.
In the North East we have a working museum at Beamish, where a dentist's surgery is set up in his home in a residential terrace.
In Victorian times this was the norm and upset nobody. However, the dentist's patients arrived by public transport or on foot and rarely inconvenienced the neighbours.
In the early 21st century, visitors to a business within a residential area will arive in cars and annoy the neighbours and reduce their children's opportunities to play in the street.
I'm opposed to commercial use of residential homes. I also find the practice of large commercial vans belonging to, for example, BT being parked outside the employee's house, rather than at a central depot, as used to be the case.
Whatever next, close the bus garages and park buses in the street?
Sorry for my rant!
Car dealer working from home. - ifithelps
sky5000,

I'm all in favour of 'live and let live', but the problem, as always, is too many comings and goings.

If you live in a residential street, you can reasonably expect not to have regular visits from a car transporter/other traders/Dentmaster vans etc.

The first 'official' people to have a word with is the environmental health or planning department of your local council.

Office-based businesses are generally acceptable.

I think this guy is already on the edge of what would be tolerated, and, strictly speaking, he needs change of use planning permission - which he will never get.

Will an active motor trader depress property prices in your street?

Of course it will.

Like it or not, we are all snobs, particularly when it comes to buying £300k houses.

Having said that, he sounds a reasonable and intelligent person, and as such will well know he is on dodgy ground, so a quiet word might curtail his activities.


Car dealer working from home. - gordonbennet
Like it or not we are all snobs particularly when it comes to buying £300k


Not true by any stretch of your imagination, our home is somewhere in that vicinity so i speak with some feeling, no snobs here.

Those of us that have worked very hard, in fact cripplingly hard for our families and homes don't forget where we've come from, which in my case is working class, which i still am, by very definition i get up and go to work.

This thread has me very angry to be honest, some people can't wait to stick the boot in when some feller is trying to make a living and obviously trying to keep quiet as well.

The 'tradesmans entrance' springs to mind here and Hyancinth Bucket.

Car dealer working from home. - ifithelps
Like it or not we are all snobs particularly when it comes to buying £300k
>>

....Not true by any stretch of your imagination, our home is somewhere in that vicinity so i speak with some feeling, no snobs here....

gb,

Forgive me a bit of poetic licence with the word 'snob', but I do think buying and selling property brings out the worst in most people.

Like it or not, the OP's house will be marked down in most buyer's eyes by the presence of an active motor trader in the street.

Car dealer working from home. - Andrew-T
This is not a problem which might affect me where I live - but that happens to be next to a doctors' practice which is often busy 9-5 weekdays.

The description of the trader's activities suggests that they are not offensive to the neighbours, who are advised not to make waves, and to be tolerant of someone who may have hit hard times. That's fine; but it is equally possible that the established residents see it as a possible thin end of the wedge. Another trader arrives, then months later another, and after a while the neighbourhood is becoming commercialised. If the first is tolerated (however accommodating he may be) it gets much harder to turn away later ones.

That's where the worry is.
Car dealer working from home. - boxsterboy
This is a contentious issue.
we have a working museum at Beamish where a dentist's surgery
is set up in his home in a residential terrace.
In Victorian times this was the norm and upset nobody. However the dentist's >>


Actually doctorchris, doctors and dentists are allowed to work from home - permitted development so no planning permission required.
Car dealer working from home. - Downesi1
My sister has a car ans does my brother in law, they have three grown up children, all of who own and drive cars. They have three car parking spaces - think yourself lucky that he's not taxing the cars and parking on the street!

So, your neighbour has cars delivered via transporter, have you never had a wahing machine, bed or other such item delivered?

I've recently started to work from home, and find our road a completly differend place during the week days. Lots of white vans from builder etc, people parking to walk the 1/2 mile in to town, lots of delivery vans, including Supermarket deliveries (very popular) and last week a tractor and shredder parked opposite for a two days while a rather large tree was taken down.

Does all this effect me? No. Would I even know about it if I was out working a normal 9-5 week? No.

I would suggest that you don't have enough to do and until such times that this chap is causing excess noise and inconvience to others in your road you should chill out. If and when it does happen, have a polite word with him, you don't want to upset him now do you?


Please live and let live.

Car dealer working from home. - fredthefifth

Have read about similar situations down here in the sunny south west and it turns out that unless they have gone about properly they get closed down. IIRC a licence AND planning is required.

A bloke at my work even got a letter for putting a for sale sign on his own car while it was on the public highway. Apparently he was acting illegally and required a traders licence.

Have a word with planning or trading standards at the council.

Post back!

Regards.
FTF
Car dealer working from home. - Rattle
You only have to pay business rates if you're using 100% of an area for a business.

I am not sure planning permision does come into it it would depend on the local council I guess. Selling cars in the street is different as you need a pedlers licence for that.

But if the cars are parked in his drive then I am not sure what the issue would be.
Car dealer working from home. - madf
I am sure part of his business involves storing fuel.

Anyone want a fire ?



Car dealer working from home. - Rattle
A business next door to me stores fuel, the council and fire brigade did not want to know when we questioned it. It seems you can store as much as fuel as you like :(.
Car dealer working from home. - stunorthants26
Why not wait until it becomes a problem, the report it?
Car dealer working from home. - oilrag
All those tyres could explode too - and oil and grease from the sub frames and brake lines could spatter over the neighbors windows as they peep out giving them a shock and causing them to knock the Hyacinth out of the bucket.

"I look up to him cos he wears a hat and has rolled umbrella -We look down on `im cos he has to work for a living and sell cars .

Not on our street and park those lower class white vans with the greasy sub frames and brake lines out of sight.

cough...;-)
Car dealer working from home. - stunorthants26
Our next door neightbour runs a small transport company and until last year, they used to do night runs leaving home at about 1-2am in the morning. The vans they store at home did make a racket when started up at this hour and our residential street ( which carries a 40% premium over other parts of the area I live in ) has a driveway full of highcube vans on it, although we do have two other self emplyed tradespeople who also have vans on their driveways.

Thing is though, they are really genuinely nice people ( who now work days ) and they keep the vans clean, so as a neighbourhood is about give and take, you make certain allowances because not everyone is the same.
We have curtain twitchers in our street who had the audacity to quizz me neightbour about where my ex-wife was - Id dearly love to tell them to stuff it where the sun shines not, but in the interests of being part of a community, I smile, laugh at their petty nature and get on with my life. Something others should also consider in this world.
Car dealer working from home. - the swiss tony
I hope, that if sky5000 does get her way, and this gentleman loses his business, closely followed by his home, that the new people are chav lottery winners.
Now that would be fun... nice loud music... great parties... maybe even drugs!

some people just cannot live and let live.. If and when it becomes a problem then fine, as has been said, have a word with him, but until then he has to pay the bills some how.

just thinking.. maybe NOW is the time to have a quiet word, politely, just to let him know how you feel?
Car dealer working from home. - Sofa Spud
If he's not causing any problems, let things be. If he gets busier and the sale cars spill out onto the road, that might be the time to do something.
Car dealer working from home. - oilrag
Why not just welcome him to the street? He may be able to offer a moral or educational uplift to the area, based on his knowledge of people - you never know.

Car dealer working from home. - bell boy
if he is running the full monty from home he will be able to sell these cars for less due to less overheads
thing is you have to ask yourself why would you buy a traders car from a house ?why not go down the block and cut his profits out?
where will he do his repair work?what kind of noise will it create
im always for a trader working from home to get established (small time) but to run a large compedium to me is unfair competition on other places paying things like council business rates,business water rates etc
edit.........and i wouldnt want him living next door to me

Edited by bell boy on 24/08/2009 at 14:31

Car dealer working from home. - b308
and i wouldnt want him living next door to me


And this is the crux, and why I tend to agree with the OP... if I'd bought a house in a residential area I would not expect someone to set up as a motor trader a few doors down from me... and its damn all to do with being a snob, its just I expect that where I live it will be residential, if I wanted to live in commercial or mixed areas I would buy there, but I don't, I want a better and safer environment for my family than those areas normally provide, thats not snobishness, its common sense.

I'm sorry but the "live and let live" arguement doesn't wash... if he's genuinely trading and thats his job then there are plenty of suitable locations for him that are no doubt empty at the moment and crying out for someone to rent them... let him go there... and pay appropriate rates, etc for his business and leave the area he's in at the moment for its intended purpose... for people to live, not work, in...
Car dealer working from home. - jbif
"live and let live" argument doesn't wash >>


bell boy, b308 and a very few others seem to have grasped the problem.

I wonder what these "live and let live" people think of the person who drives a car without insurance or MOT or road-tax? Or if a trucker sets up in competition with an unlicenced truck? Where do they draw a line, and why? Anarchy rules, eh?

Car dealer working from home. - stunorthants26
Theres a big difference between driving a potentially unroadworthy and therefore dangerous car and trading some cars from home. The two things are not related other than in the most superficial sense of letting someone get away with something.
In reality, id far rather my neighbour sold a few cars than drove down my road with an untested car - one is naughty, the other dangerous. Something of a difference.

What did cross my mind was whether or not this was a dealer who had sold off their premises and was liquidating their stock from home. Just an idea.

By all means though, raise his house to the ground if it makes ya feel better, or call the council and see what can be done. In the grand scheme of things its a trival matter, but if your a trival person, you must revert to type and start letter writing :-)

My guess - the OP will do absolutely nothing and was just having a moan. Its the British way afterall.

Car dealer working from home. - jbif
one is naughty >>

Stu:
Thanks for stating where you draw the line.
Yes, very very slightly so. As bell boy says, the home trader is avoiding insurance, rates, rents, etc. and doing a bona-fide trader trading from commercial premises out of business. I suppose you won't complain if I should set up a valet business in my drive.

p.s. nor road-tax, or no insurance, or benefit fraud, or shoplifting is OK too as it is just naughty, and dangerous, is it?

Car dealer working from home. - Pugugly
Where is the evidence that this guy is a Home Trader - according to the OP he has a website and VAT numbers etc. Where is the evidence that he's doing anything wrong ? For all the jury in here know he's got all the appropriate permissions in place.
Car dealer working from home. - stunorthants26
Bandwagon is rolling, thats why.
Car dealer working from home. - ifithelps
...For all the jury in here know he's got all the appropriate permissions in place....

A lot of industrial estates are a bit sniffy about taking motor trade businesses.

One local authority of which I'm aware refuse to let their units for anything connected with cars or car repair - they are the landlords, so that's their choice.

I've never known a person get planning permission to run a car sales operation from a 100 per cent residential street as described by the OP.

Such a significant change would have to be notified in advance to the neighbours to give them a chance to comment.

I can see the other residents giving such a plan the thumbs-up - not.
Car dealer working from home. - madf
Take a hypothetical case.
His cars catch fire and burn down a few houses.
His cars it turns out are insured but do not cover damage to other premises.other than the traders.

So all those affected have to claim from their own insurers and lose their NCB.

If that happened to me, I would be livid.
Car dealer working from home. - enfield freddy
and a hyperthetical question to you.

I live next door to you , my tax has run out , so has my MOT and insurance , so I park my 19** car on MY driveway , and declare it SORN

and it catches fire ? tiz not insured , is it insured because its on my land? , oh yes my daughters car (she doesn,t live at home) was parked there as well , as was her boyfriends , and the rest of the rugby club .

they all popped around to wind sky5000 up!
Car dealer working from home. - jbif
Such a significant change would have to be notified in advance to the neighbours to give them a chance to comment. >>


etc. etc. agreed.
I am surprised that Pugugly needs all this spelling out.
Car dealer working from home. - jbif
Where is the evidence that this guy is a Home Trader >>


says so in the title to the thread: "Car dealer working from home."

unless you know different?

Car dealer working from home. - b308
All we are saying is that car traders should work from appropriate premises, a purely residential street is not suitable, let the appropraite authorities know, if he's legal then he won't have a problem, if he's trying to sidestep the system and save on his overheads he will be moved on or punished accordingly...

Can't see a problem there, can you?!
Car dealer working from home. - Alby Back
Perhaps if more people worked from home there would be less traffic, fewer hold ups, less polution, a reduction in wasted fuel resources and children might actually get to know their parents. Neighbours might actually begin to interact as communities, get to know and understand each other, maybe even help each other. Perhaps these so revered residential areas would cease to be commuter departure lounges populated by passing strangers.

Maybe it would even create more demand for local businesses serving each other and these new found communities. You know, butchers, bakers, Post Offices etc..


Just a thought........
Car dealer working from home. - enfield freddy
sky5000 , as you are sat at home all day watching life go by through the net curtains , why not ask him if he has a job , washing and valeting cars , you could probably get 2 or 3 on your drive?
Car dealer working from home. - Andrew-T
Freddy - you sound like a well-balanced guy - chips on both shoulders? :-)
Car dealer working from home. - Kevin
>why not ask him if he has a job , washing and valeting cars , you could probably get 2 or 3 on your drive?

Slightly different attitude to your post in the Travellers thread, eh?

"lets stop pussy footing around! if I have to comply with the law , why are they excempt!"

If the area is classed as purely residential and not mixed commercial/residential then he's breaking the law and the OP has every right to be peeved. I would be too.

There are plenty of situations where it is acceptable to run a business from designated residential property but I don't think a full-time used car dealer would be one of them without the approval of neighbours.

Kevin...
Car dealer working from home. - Rattle
A lot of it depends on the mortgage company and any conditions to the original planning of the home. I am very lucky that I am allowed to freely run a business from my parents company with permision of both the mortgage company and council.

A late neighbour used to service cars on the street and we just turned a blind eye to it because it is far easier to put up with a reving engine every sunday than it is to fall out with neighbours.
Car dealer working from home. - b308
Perhaps if more people worked from home there would be less traffic


Depends on the business, HB, it seems like the car trader business increases traffic...

Whereas Rattle's doesn't!
Car dealer working from home. - ifithelps
...Depends on the business, HB, it seems like the car trader business increases traffic...

This is why office-based home businesses are generally permitted and noisy, dirty, smelly, businesses are not.
Car dealer working from home. - Alby Back
Quite right. By up to five cars a day I gather. Must be chaos sometimes.......

;-)

I dunno, I'm just feeling that businesses like this represent the very "green shoots" our economists are desperately trying to encourge as the Genesis of our economic recovery. I worry about our recent sociological trend to compartmentalise our existance with the creation of work, retail and sleeping ghettos. Modern housing developments are virtually deserted during weekdays. People left behind there grow fat and listless due to lack of social stimulation and attempt to ameliorate that by driving to shopping malls to wander aimlessly around cloned versions of anytown.

Integration of our communities needs to be encouraged not resisted. Let's have a variety of economic drivers at the very hearts of our society I say. Those £300k houses will be worth nothing soon if we don't regenerate a local economy around and among them.

We have had one economic wake up call, let's learn from it. We need to grow communities and interdependent social and economic local bonds. As things are, in many locations, people have no sense of belonging or responsibility to their local economy.

I say encourage this guy. Of course if he began to trade in such a way as to be causing any real disruption or detriment to the area then that would naturally have to be dealt with appropriately. That would in turn be much easier to do at a healthy level if everyone knew each other personally rather than only as an impression gained from behind a net curtain.

Long distance commuting, dormitory towns and suburbs, faceless shopping malls, industrial estates....is that how we want to live ?

If so carry on. Chuck him out.

Edited by Humph Backbridge on 25/08/2009 at 10:11

Car dealer working from home. - Martin Devon
>>raise his house to the ground

?
Car dealer working from home. - Kevin
>raise (sic) his house to the ground

When my eldest niece split from her boyfriend she moved into a really nice flat in Sheffield.

She soon discovered that a house nearby was being used for 'retail'.

The problem ceased to exist after one of their competitors put petrol thru' the letterbox.

Retail is a tough business nowadays.

Kevin...
Car dealer working from home. - Martin Devon
>>It seems you can store as much as fuel as you like.

In England you can't do ANYTHING you LIKE.
Car dealer working from home. - Martin Devon
A bloke at my work even got a letter for putting a for sale sign
on his own car while it was on the public highway. Apparently he was acting
illegally and required a traders licence.>> FTF

If it is/was a Private sale he DOES NOT need a licence. It is his to sell. The ruddy Council can Chuff off. End of.

MD
Car dealer working from home. - fredthefifth
I'll let him know!!
FTF
Car dealer working from home. - bell boy
theres lots of private (no they arent) cars for sale in my town on the roads,mainly sold by eastern europeans they sit in their cars for hours waiting for an autotrader phone call,the latest wheeze they use to save money is to advertise under a thousand pounds to get the cheapest advert then put something like 1695 in the words below
ive complained to my council and they told me nothing could be done even though as rattle says you needs a peddlars licence which they wont get and an interview with the chief constable and 16 notes passed over the counter
Car dealer working from home. - Tina Beans
I guess I'm split on this one. If I had a £300k house I suppose I too would be worried about the neighbourhood going downhill.
On the other hand, if I had a £300k house I might just be counting my blessings that I had a £300k house...
Car dealer working from home. - b308
I think the price of the property is irrellevent.
Car dealer working from home. - jbif
As b308 says, the value of the property is irrelevant, and it smacks of politics of envy. At the risk of going off topic:
I guess I'm split on this one. If I had a £300k house .... I might just be counting my blessings that I had a £300k house... >>


In South East England, I think you would be hard pushed to find a house for less than £300k, especially if it had a garage and drive capable of parking more than two cars. The following is the last update that I could find:

" the number of homes in the UK valued at more than £300,000 now stands at 1.5 million - 8 per cent of owner occupied properties. "
60% of these are in the South East, 30% in the South West, and the remaining mostly in Northern cities such as Birmingham and Manchester.

I can assure you that the millions of people who have to pay these high prices to own their home in the South do not think it is a "blessing" when they buy. Their children may do so when they inherit the property, though.

Edited by jbif on 25/08/2009 at 10:04

Car dealer working from home. - stunorthants26
As someone who is currently looking for a house I would say its very true of Sussex where Im from, but in Northants, if you know where to look, you can get say a 3-bed detached house with garage, in a very nice area, for less than £140k. Infact Im spoilt for choice.
Car dealer working from home. - ForumNeedsModerating
It might just resolve itself if the trader gets his business going again, via this residentially-based interlude, by acquiring new proper commercial premises - OTOH, it might not.

Currently, I'd imagine, he's able to undercut similarly sized local dealers by avoiding many of the standard business costs associated with his type of work - and btw, probably not paying business rates to the local council. It's also as well to understand, that once a business is 'under the radar', many of the checks, balances & inspections do not take place - so bad, or even dangerous practices can creep in putting the trader, employees or even neighbours at risk or disadvantage.

I wouldn't be put in the false dilemna posed by some posters here, that you're somehow being a busybody & snob & that you should 'live & let live'; some people, unfortunately will always take advantage & 'live' at the expense (or amenity) of others - that's why we have rules, regulations & laws.
Car dealer working from home. - SteVee
So how does this work from the car buyers perspective ?
A few years back I went to buy a car from a trader - saw the car in a large unit on an industrial estate - said I'd be back with SWMBO for a test drive. This got arranged from his home address (though I didn't know that until we arrived). His neighbours were clearly unsettled by this activity.
I did buy the car - it was a great price, all paperwork correct, not a 'private' sale and no problems at all.

I did wonder why he chose this method of doing business - there were at least 2 other customers at his home that day.

I can also understand why his neighbours were unhappy - but I wasn't going to walk away from a good deal on that basis.
If a neighbour of mine were trading cars (motorbikes might be worse :-) ), it would probably annoy me - but I don't know if I'd be so annoyed as to lodge an official complaint againts his/her business.
Car dealer working from home. - Optimist
The whole point is that it's a home, not business premises, isn't it?

There are some things you can do from home without disrupting your neighbours or even anyone knowing: stuff on a computer or word processor, for instance, or a bit of joinery in the garage or keeping your gear there if you're a painter and decorator.

But when you start moving cars to and fro you start changing the nature of the street and, personally, I think that's not on. Some businesses need business premises and car dealing is one of them.

Otherwise where do you draw the line? When a bloke starts sorting scrap and old concrete on his drive?



Car dealer working from home. - tunacat
>>>"people who have to pay these high prices to own their home in the South do not think it is a "blessing" when they buy. Their children may do so when they inherit the property, though."


Or maybe the guy in Sky's street is fortunate to already be the child of parents who had property in the district?
;-)


If he's fallen on hard times, he could sell his house and use the money to pay for some appropriate premises, and then live in a rented one-bedroom flat. Everybody's happy then.
;-)

Car dealer working from home. - CGNorwich
See attached guide to working from home. This is from Wigan Council but all councils will work to similar guidelines. The business described but the OP is clearly in breach of at least condition VI 3,4,5 & 6 and as such is clearly in breach of planning law and would need to seek a change of use from his local council. The council will tell you if such a change of use has been granted

Since this is the law I fail to see why expecting the law to be obeyed should provoke such hostile view from some posters. If the law does not decide what is allowed in a residential street who does?


www.wigan.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/097E9152-B906-46F1-B...f
Car dealer working from home. - dans1968

Hi I have the same problem a neighbour is a car dealer from his residential property and although I don't have a problem with anyone earning a living it has become a joke with parking in our street with him parking anything upto 10 cars at a time and thats not including his own 4 for his families own personal use dont know what to do

Car dealer working from home. - FP

As is said in the posts above, this is an issue for the local council.

Car dealer working from home. - jamie745

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