who would have a new tyre fitted without a new valve being fitted and having the wheel and tyre balanced up?
really? show your hand
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AND make sure you have the correct tyre for the car's speed. Under rated (speed) tyres will invalidate your insurance. Sometimes it's a cost temptation, but NOT one to be taken.
Regards.............MD
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AND make sure you have the correct tyre for the car's speed. Under rated (speed) tyres will invalidate your insurance.
Some don't seem to get this though MD, i had quite a discussion with a chap on another forum who was convinced that a car specified with V speed rated tyres could be retrofitted with S or T rated as he never went above 70mph.
Amazing what things some will (falsely) economise on.
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Amazing what things some will (falsely) economise on.
Amazing how soft in the head some folk are though.
MD
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>...the noise gets quite bad as the tyres wear...
I suspect this is true of most tyres, even all. As the tread blocks wear down, more rubber makes contact with the road, producing more noise.
I wonder how much of the stuff people post here along the lines of "These new Yellow Brand tyres are fantastic, so much better than the Purple Brand tyres I had before" comes from the simple fact that new tyres generally work better than old ones.
Let me cite an example from my own experience - and be warned, it concerns the reviled Pirelli P6000. Back in 2002 my Volvo S60 came new on four P6000s and was fine. It subsequently had a couple of Michelins but eventually went back to P6000s. As the last set of P6000s wore down, I noticed a horrible squirming or tramlining effect on rutted or broken tarmac. The worn front tyres went, two new Primacy HPs went on the back and the other pair of P6000s, still with about 6mm of tread, moved to the front. The squirming still happened but seemed much reduced. I wondered then if the 'superior' Michelin tyres were helping from the back, and they may have been, but I suspect the bigger effect came from the fresher Pirelli rubber on the front.
As a footnote, the car is now on four Primacy HPs, and the front pair will need replacing soon. (They've lasted about 22,000 miles since moving from back to front, which is more than the Pirellis ever did.) I've driven the bit of road again recently that induced the worst squirming (the A40 near Uxbridge, just before it becomes the M40, for those who know it) and it happened again, although less unpleasantly than before.
Tentative conclusion: The Primacy HP is a better tyre than the P6000, and is what I'll buy again in spite of the higher price. But a new P6000 is probably better than a well-worn Primacy HP.
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The P7s are so much better than the P6000s you wonder why Pirelli still make them.
I also understand that if you put on a lower speed rating tyre your insurance is void.
When tyres are so crucial to your own and others safety, I cannot understand why people cut corners. All this shall I buy some cheapo ditchfinder/second hand rubbish makes me wonder.
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...I cannot understand why people cut corners....
quizman,
Money.
At the garage, we used to call them 'marginal motorists'.
By any sensible measure, they cannot afford to own and run a car, but insist on doing so.
The weekend breakdown customers were the worst.
Anything we'd offer was wrong because 'our kid works at the Leyland and he can get the parts cheaper than that'.
The way some went on, you'd think they were arguing from a position of strength, not a position of stranded on a Sunday morning.
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I also understand that if you put on a lower speed rating tyre your insurance is void.
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I think you'd be hard pressed to find a tyre shop that would fit a lower speed rated tyre anyway
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I think you'd be hard pressed to find a tyre shop that would fit a lower speed rated tyre anyway
Quite so CC, however some still manage to do so.
The thing that really gets me is that certain groups of car users spend many hundreds and sometimes thousands of pounds on 4 ugly as sin chromed wheels and then £40 a corner elastic band ditchfinders on them...bizarre.
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Bizarre indeed, GB. At the monthly American and custom car meet there was a Chrysler 300 Hemi, left hand drive American import loaded with every conceivable option. Bling aftermarket 22 inch rims which must have cost a couple of grand apiece, shod with WanLi rubber. Amazing. Must have been a special wheel and tyre "deal."
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Some don't seem to get this though MD i had quite a discussion with a chap on another forum who was convinced that a car specified with V speed rated tyres could be retrofitted with S or T rated as he never went above 70mph.
So. Please explain why this shouldn't be done. "V" is for maximum continuous speed of 150MPH. "S" is maximum 112. As far as I know, all else being equal, this would be quite safe, and not illegal.
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As far as I know all else being equal thiswould be quite safe and not illegal.
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Have a read of these, both construction and use regs breach and insurance refusal are likely outcomes, though not apparently technically illegal i wouldn't want to put it to the test for the price of the difference.
tinyurl.com/lc6bvc
tinyurl.com/lfptle
tinyurl.com/la5t6m
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Unfortunately, those don't tell me anything beyond what I already know about speed ratings (and the third, in fact, contains an inaccuracy). I would like to know why, rather than "Oh, that's the way it is".
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Main tyre replacement issue for me is punctures.
Dunno why but I get more than my fair share and have had to replace perfectly good tyres at least twice in recent years. Came close a week ago when I had my second puncture in a month on estimated third worn 235x45x17 97W Conti's. The second was a near thing but both were reparable.
I would not wish to comprise on safety, but when I replace the Conti's I am not going to be putting £150 premium tyres on when I can get mid range Avon ZV5 for £100. Their might not last so long but performance is good enough and the consequence of puncture that requires tyre replacement not so severe!
BTW these are genuine puntures not tyre damage by hitting kerbs etc.
Regards.
FTF
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My hanbook says fit only 205/50 R17 93W and I assure you all - I will only fit these - no cutting corners from me.
The P7s have been fantastic both in wet and dry - and in fact, I may stick with them as I know they can be trusted. I would love the Michilens and would get more miles with them, but I simply cannot afford 170 per tyre x 4 at the moment!
I think I have also worked out why one of the rear tyre has worned quicker than the other side. We had a puncture on the tyre last year that was worn. It was spotted pretty much immediately and was not driven much with a deflating tyre. I also check the tyres' pressure at the very least, every fortnight.
So my logical conclusion is that the puncture and subsequent repair, has affected the tyre causing it to wear quicker. I'm sure some will disagree but I have the evidence! There is nothing else I can think of unless it was a faulty tyre in the first place!
Now, I need to count my pennies in my jar to see if I have £520+ in pennies!
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Are you certain the punctured tyre isn't sitting in the spare wheel well and the previously unused spare is on the road?
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quizman said:
>The P7s are so much better than the P6000s you wonder why Pirelli still make them.
I think P6000s are still the only recommended tyre for some cars.
My XJ is on P6000Js and every tyre place I've asked has recommended that I stick with them. My only complaint is that they are a bit noisy on some road surfaces.
fredthefifth said:
>I am not going to be putting £150 premium tyres on when I can get mid range Avon ZV5 for £100.
That might be false economy.
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?v=e&t=74...6
Kevin...
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>> tyres could be retrofitted with S or T rated as he never went above 70mph. So. Please explain why this shouldn't be done. "V" is for maximum continuous speed of 150MPH. "S" is maximum 112. As far as I know all else being equal this would be quite safe and not illegal.
The speed rating may be for a maximum continuous speed of 150 mph. Even if you never go over 70mph, if the vehicle is fitted with those tyres as standard equipment, it's for a reason. S rated tyres won't stand up well to a vehicle with 400 bhp at the wheels if you use it to its full potential acceleration wise?
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I would recommend Blackcircles.com for your tyres and buy them with the fitting inc.I bought some recently and it came to £95 delivered or £97 fully fitted and balanced.I bought the Toyo Proxies and can recommend them highly as do many other drivers do.
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if you buy off the Internet , where do your tyres get delivered to ? Your home to arrive when you are out or block up your entrance , not to mention the smell , or to a tyre shop who may swap them for inferior / older stock before you arrive , or claim they arrived damaged ??
You'd be surprised how much room 4 tyres take - more than an average car boot...
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Internet ordered tyres can be purchased for delivery to home, direct to a tyre fitter/gararge or mobile fitter, depends on who is selling them.
cilvilservant, Goodyear Excellence tyres 205/50/17 93W are available for £112.05 (free mobile fitting) at tinyurl.com/ko69w2 , other quality tyres are available for your required specification.
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You'd be surprised how much room 4 tyres take - more than an average car boot...
In which case put the two that won't fit in the boot on the back seat (remembering to cover it with something first). Or if your rear seats fold down, then all four should then fit in the boot.
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