I work with a guy who owns one of these dodgy cars. In the year he's had it its gone back to the garage 11 times:
Plastic shield thingy under engine fell off.
Engine cut out suddenly whilst moving.
Battery in keycard doesn't last very long.
Sometimes when it starts it red-lines the engine - after two or three attempts it works properly.
Its been back to the garage for the last problem several times - they changed the ECU even though they said there was nothing wrong with the last one. This morning it did the same thing so its now back at the garage.
I did say to him that it sounds like a dodgy throttle position sensor - from what the garage say this could be it.
I think Renault have tried to do too much on too tight a development budget with the Laguna - I'd never touch one if I could afford one, which I can't :(
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Darlyd is quite right.
The people who buy these cars often seem fixated with all the gadgets/gizmos which are so cleverly marketed.
The fact that most of them don't work, break down or fall off doesn't enter into the equation until it's too late.
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They are also one of the most ugly creations to hit the road.
Frank must be spinning in his grave to be advertising this hunk of tin.
Check out that build quality.
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Sorry to rain on your parade but the cut price offers on Citroens speak for themselves.
I would never, ever buy a car built by Citroen,Peuegot,Renault or Fiat.
These cars have always been crap, have had realy poor build quality and as for electrics, well.
Tat, tat and more tat
If you want a C5 then wait a year and you'll be able to buy one with a months wages.
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I love France,the food,the drink,the people,the climate, even their wonderful 'French attitude'but when it comes to French cars,they have got to be the worst piles of toot available without any redeeming qualities whatsoever.They make me feel ill.
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And that new C5 add with that goon making those scretching noises makes my blood boil. What a wank stain.
He would be better of making the noise of clicking suspension spheres, fizzing and sparking electrics and money being passed to main dealers to fix yet another crazy problem.
French / Italian cars are the work of satan all, there is not a single one I would own if you gave it to me, let alone pay money.
They are indeed s***e, crazy and utterly putrid.
Amen
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So you don't like french & italian cars?
I have an eleven year old BX on the drive, the spheres are meant to click the keep he car level and make any other brakes seem like sponges, the electrics are trouble free and the bills much the same as a Ford or Vauxhall.
Anything positive to add?
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I knew either a BX or Xantia fan would come out of the woodwork. They seem to be on a level with the Taliban on fanaticism. The BX was a truly hideous creation which gave birth to the even more horrific Xantia. Those seats argggggggggg
Also, most cars will stagger on if you spend enough. You still see 15 year old Fords etc on the road.
This does not change the fact that French cars are indeed vile. They nearly have to give them away to shift them.
How can you defend the new Laguna and all its pointless crappy gadgets, poor panel fit and utterly useless quality control ?
Sorry, but these are the facts.
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Oh and the BMW Mini One has been recalled as well. What was that you were saying about crap cars?
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Don't get me started..
The new "BMW" mini is another overated, hairdresser piece of s***e too. For posers and
Same for the Golf TDI (s***e handling, drive train), Toyota Yaris (Hideous in any form) and the Skoda Fabia (Overrated because its trendy, you couldn't sell me a Skoda if a free hooker was thrown in)
All crap, crap, crap
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Just so we know - what WOULD you drive?
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"..seem to be on a level with the Taliban on fanaticism"
Er, pots and kettles, surely! It's not even as if you actually own a Laguna, is it? We had a 15-year old GS and a 17-year old Visa, and our now 18-year old Peugeot is still running. None of these cars cost much to buy or run, and the most expensive item I had to buy for any of them was an exhaust system.
I like Italian cars, too...
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Why would I own a Laguna ?
They are utter and total pants.
I would rather drive a JCB
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Calm down Richard, it's only a car...not quite life threatening
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Richard,
Shhhhh, you'll upset my old BX and it might not want to get up in the morning - something that it's done without fail for the past 11 years. Electrical faults? Yes, I vaguely remember replacing a headlamp bulb a few years ago, oh and that number plate bulb. Pray advise me (in your reasonable and considered manner) what should I be driving to improve the reliability of my transport?
Phil
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I have a twelve year-old BX. It passed its MOT with no work required three weeks ago. It's more or less rust free. All the electrics work. The suspension works just fine. After a two month lay-off while I was out of the country it started first time. Having read this rant I've just looked over the bills, and in the last twelve months/10,000 miles it's cost me £300 in repairs at a local garage, including servicing. Including fuel, and taking depreciation as nil, this works out at a little over 13p per mile. Can anyone beat that?
Before that I had a fiteen year-old Peugeot 309. Its record was very similar.
I have no idea about Renaults, but I'd certainly buy another Citroen, especially a well maintained one over five years old. Go figure.
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Years ago when there was a British industry people quite often did get cars with heaps of trouble; others were luckier. This was put down to the unfortunates getting Monday or Friday cars.
Is it possible that something of the sort applies here, accounting for both sides of this debate?
Tomo
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Richard, Very interesting.. If I was in the market for a new car what would you advise.
And is a free hooker something to do with towing?.
alvin
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The BXs you talk about may still be going but would you want to be seen in one.
They were ugly then, still ugly now.
In fact in the top 10 ugly, most annoying cars of all time, most positions would be held by Citroens.
And as Richard_H says how about those annoying adverts, especially the one with the jet plane, or that loon going round corners.
God help us.
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Alvin
What new car would I advise ?
Anything but Citroen, Renault, Peguoet or Fiat.
Unless you want them to fall apart.
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That's a bit sweeping! A friend of mine has a Renault built in 1911...
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Any manufacturer that can't be bothered to research how well the term "C5" might play locally doesn't deserve further consideration.
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Richard/Big Man,
You seem to be very specific in your criticisms, but not so specific in your recommendations for the beautiful and totally reliable car that you drive/ would have us buy. Come on now - is it British? Japanese? Swedish. Does it have an exotic name (rather than C5) such as Maestro, Allegro, Cherry, Cecil(?), Escort, Fiesta, Starion?
I think we should be told
Phil
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I drive a Civic VTI.
Not perfect but close enough.
I think thats all I need to say on the matter.
Oh, and french cars are still fetid piles of poo.
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IMHO, the Laguna looks good (panel gaps and all) whilst I couldn't tell you what a Civic VTI looks like.
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You wouldn't know what a Civic VTI looks like because they leave all other junk standing.
All you see generally is dust and people chocking on exhaust fumes.
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Keep the abuse coming as I want to get this thread to 50 at least.
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At least it'll match your IQ
:)
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Ouch that hurts
Hows the beard Dorian, or should I say Dave !
I bet you drive one of these p*** pots don\'t you ?
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Richard,
Please watch the language, you've actually managed to add two words to the swear filter today.
Thank you.
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>>>you've actually managed to add two words to the swear filter today
Mark
Rather than replacing swear words with asterisks maybe the filter could be reconfigured to replace the offending words with other less offensive words, like megane for example. After all it's easy to see what someone was saying through the asterisks.
eg. I don't give a rats megane for those french cars.
or. Stop talking megane you C5.
(I think The Mary Whitehouse Experience suggested the same be done using Henry Kelly.)
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See that, Arfur, that's your swimming pool, that is, and you *like* it.
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Favourite joke ever from the old radio show:
"Why do you like the Mary Whitehouse Experience?"
Audience reply:
"Because I'm profoundly deaf and my radio looks nice".
Still makes me smile ten years on.
Apologies if that deaf thing offends anyone.
That's cheered me up a bit,
Lee.
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"All you see generally is dust and people chocking on exhaust fumes"
Have the injectors worn out already then?
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Civics - I know them, usually come with a West Highland Terrier and a tarten blanket.
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And if you are always in front how come you need stone chip covers for the front? Do you include your old Vectra and the 5 Stradas you owned as perfect examples of reliablity and beauty? Some remarkable lapses of taste displayed in your old posts.
Phil
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Sorry, I'd better get facts right even if you don't - 3 Stradas! Pray tell us more about your Rover too
Quote "I had one of these (non turbo) two years ago and I have to say it was fairly appaling.
Not very reliable, loads of detached trim, lights behind instrumentation and heater controls blew with alarming regularity, other electrical problems, alarm problems, heavy tyre wear, rust.
I can only imagine the added technical problems that a turbo would bring. K series engines are a bit leaky without it anyway.
Good things, looked alright for the time and was fairly brisk. Not fast though.
I was glad to get shot, and lost loads of money on the deal."
At least you have learned from your mistakes
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I love people who go back and troll old posts. That is to be totally recommended. Top marks !!!
The Fiats I had were fun but total rustbuckets, much like the cars they still turn out.
The Vectra was a slug but at least it looked better than the new ones.
I can't help that I find these other cars repulsive. This is a discussion board is it not ?
Or shall we do the usual type post.
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Drone, drone speed cameras drone
I agree, simp, simp, fawn
To finish of you can insert and in-joke of your choice.
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Oh yeah! Class!! Not only on the back of your car but also on "Civic Disposal Amenity"
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Talking about loons and adverts - I bet you've got adverts all over your clothes. What are they for?. Nike, DKNY, Kalvin Klein underpants visible above your GAP cargos?
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The BXs you talk about may still be going but would you want to be seen in one. They were ugly then, still ugly now. In fact in the top 10 ugly, most annoying cars of all time, most positions would be held by Citroens.
Proud to be seen in one.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Anyway who gives a "megane" about ugly. The user requirement was to take a pushchair stowed longways, do 45 to the gallon and be going the same speed as everyone else at 70.
Maybe we come at motoring from opposite ends!!.
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