How good is the Focus 2.0 TDCi 136 ps - MikeTorque
What are your experiences of owning and driving a Ford Focus 2.0 TDCi 136 ps ? (any model)

In particular pre 2008 versions and the upgraded 2008 version.

Is there a noticable improvement in refinement and quietness in the Focus II upgrade compared with the original Focus II ?

Is the 2008 onwards engine an improvement over the pre 2008 engine and if so how would you describe it ?

Do 17" alloys with 205/50 tyres impact or affect the ride quality and/or increase road noise transmission compared with standard 16" alloys with 205/55 tyres ?

Are there any negative experiences/issues of note with post 2008 Focus 2.0 TDCi models ?
How good is the Focus 2.0 TDCi 136 ps - DP
Mike,

A comment on the engine rather than the car. My in laws have a 3 yr old Volvo V50 2.0d (Euro IV) with the same engine. It's smooth, gutsy and refined, but the fuel economy is more in line with a 2.0 petrol engine than a diesel. It struggles to crack 30 mpg around town, and will only break 40 if driven ridiculously gently on long runs. They're getting about 37 mpg in mixed driving, which is not much better than you'd expect from a 2.0 petrol engine. It's been checked out, and there is nothing wrong with it at all. "That's how they are" apparently

Whether this is a specific issue with the Volvo engine software or installation and whether it affects the Focus of the age you are looking at, I don't know, but it's something to bear in mind, or at least a question to ask of existing owners.

They are probably going to get rid of the car soon for this reason alone. In terms of what the engine does, it's brilliant. Loads of grunt, very responsive, wide torque band and super smooth. Typical of a diesel engine with French design input.

Cheers
DP
How good is the Focus 2.0 TDCi 136 ps - Old Navy
In terms of what the engine does it's brilliant. Loads of grunt very responsive wide
torque band and super smooth. Typical of a diesel engine with French design input.

I agree with the above, my 05 2.0 TDCI (non DPF) Focus consistantly does 42/43 mpg around town and 50 mpg at a corrected 70 mph, (75 mph / 2000 rpm indicated), on the motorway, (Cruise control on).
How good is the Focus 2.0 TDCi 136 ps - MikeTorque
I'm looking to test drive one so the more info you have the better.
How good is the Focus 2.0 TDCi 136 ps - Old Navy
I would consider the suspension of my Focus Ghia (on 205 55 16 tyres) to be biased towards handling rather than comfort, anything claiming to be sporty, or having big wheel, low profile tyres, I would expect to be harsh to the point of discomfort. My car suspension is good for motorways and A or B roads but harsh around town. EDIT - I agree with merlin on tyre noise, I have used Goodyear and Michelin.

Edited by Old Navy on 19/07/2009 at 23:51

How good is the Focus 2.0 TDCi 136 ps - merlin
I had a test drive in a new Focus recently. The high level of tyre noise put me off. Other reviews I've read said the same thing.
How good is the Focus 2.0 TDCi 136 ps - Old Navy
So glad my Focus does not have a DPF, I recently decided not to buy a Volvo V50 with the 2.0 136 ps engine because it had a DPF.
How good is the Focus 2.0 TDCi 136 ps - MikeTorque
I understood the Ford DPF system operates differently to Citroens and Peugeots so that may explain why Cits & Pugs seem to have more reported issues.
How good is the Focus 2.0 TDCi 136 ps - morellomax
Mike,

If you like everything else about the Focus but find the road noise a problem, it can be quite heavily subdued by aftermarket products, around the rear wheel arches and the boot floor, also in the front footwells where they face the front wheel arches. I've used "damplifier" elastomer sheets on the bare metal, followed by "teklite" closed cell foam.

You could in theory keep going and do the whole floorpan, the door skins and the A, B and C pilars. I really went to town on my current S-Max and brought the noise levels at 70mph down to about 67db on my sound level meter, which is the same as I get from a current Audi A8 ! That may be a bit OTT though.

The 2.0d in the Focus, pre and post facelift, is quite refined most of the time, but harsh (i) at idle when very cold and (ii) under full aceleration above about say 2500rpm. I had a couple of C-Maxes with this engine, plus a Galaxy, and always used to change up by about 2500rpm and ride the torque instead. Much more civilised. The pull from about 35 in 4th in a 2.0d Focus is quite something.

Edited by morellomax on 21/07/2009 at 12:55

How good is the Focus 2.0 TDCi 136 ps - MikeTorque
I test drove a used 2008 Zetec 2.0 136 ps, must admit I was impressed with the overall refinement and the noticable reduction in noise levels compared with the Focus II 2005 version I currently drive. The engine is gusty throughout the rev range and it's smooth whatever the revs, the engine software updates have helped driveability.

The sound insulation improvements Ford made on the upgraded Focus from around 2008 onwards do help and as "morellomax" has pointed out further improvements can be achieved if required. A lot of the rest of the car is so similar to the original Focus II it was like driving my own car, nothing much new to learn just get in and drive.

I still don't consider the central information display is clear enough, the font is too fine for anyone who needs reading glasses but doesn't need driving glasses. Also the fuel and temperature gauges are too smaller, they were just the right size on the original Focus II, now they are upsidedown and too small, attention to these types of detail need to be addressed for the Focus III. Also the silver central surround looks a bit tacky.

Moving the indicator lights to the inside of the headlight cluster rather than leaving them at the extreme outer edge is a negative aspect as are the clear lens rear light clusters which rely on coloured bulbs rather than proper lens covers, this setup takes away from the visual appearance as well as being functionally questionable. Plus point is the indicators on the door mirrors, they are more visible than the previous version, downside is if a mirror is damaged the indicator is likely to not work whereas a door panel indicator is less prone.

Overall, the handling and driving experience are superb, attention to design detail needs reconsidering/improving, would I have one, oh yes. It's a bit of a wait before the Focus III is due out and that has a huge amount of spec changes including new engines.
How good is the Focus 2.0 TDCi 136 ps - LikedDrivingOnce
Moving the indicator lights to the inside of the headlight cluster rather than leaving them
at the extreme outer edge is a negative aspect

Good Point MT!

Anyone know the thinking behind this? I first saw it on the Golf about 10 years ago. The only reason that I can think of is that the indicator is more prone to being damaged on the corner of the car. However, if that were the thinking behind it, then why put an indicator on the wing mirror? As MT says "...downside is if a mirror is damaged the indicator is likely to not work whereas a door panel indicator is less prone."
How good is the Focus 2.0 TDCi 136 ps - woodster
Mike torque - dare I suggest you compare and contrast a 2litre TDi Golf??
How good is the Focus 2.0 TDCi 136 ps - MikeTorque
Good idea woodster, do you mean constrast the Focus verses the new Golf Mark VI or the Golf mark V verses the mark VI ?
How good is the Focus 2.0 TDCi 136 ps - dodo
I have had the 2.0TDCi in a C-Max for 40,000 miles and now in a Volvo V50 for over 20,000 (08 model). I really like this engine as I find it very smooth and torquey through the gears. The C-Max was slightly quicker but was less tractable in sixth gear while the Volvo is more stable on a twisty road. As far as economy I would agree the egines are not exceptionally economical but adapt to a given driving style. My old Golf IV 150Tdi was consistently more economical while much quicker than both. The C-Max really changed after 20k miles and economy leapt from around 40 mpg to mid 40s. The Volvo is even more economical but relies heavilly on driving style. A heavy right foot and no thought - 38-40 mpg. Let the spped build more gently and no standing starts and low 50s achieveable. I am looking forward to getting one of the DrivE 1.6D next week when the V50 is in for service and will post comments.
How good is the Focus 2.0 TDCi 136 ps - Happy Blue!
Anyone know the thinking behind this? I first saw it on the Golf about 10
years ago. The only reason that I can think of is that the indicator is
more prone to being damaged on the corner of the car.


SQ

The answer is obvious. No need to make a hole in a body panel so less rust, cheper to build as there nothing to do other than to press it and paint it, its more reliable as there is no wiring where it can get wet.

In the mirror, it can be built in as part of the mirror assembly, the wiring is there (usually) for the electric operation and heating of the mirror, so eay to build, very reliable, less rust. And if it gets hit, simply replace the unit. QED

Edited by Dynamic Dave on 22/07/2009 at 12:31

How good is the Focus 2.0 TDCi 136 ps - davidh
It'll be fine! The 2.0 Ford/PSA diesel seems quite quiet and smooth when I tried one in a 407 and it was subjectively quieter than the 1.9 GM/Fiat diesel engine I have in my Astra.

The engine seemed a little underpowered in the 407 but thats considerably bigger than the Focus so I suspect it will "go" quite nicely.

P.S. The 407 I drove definately hadnt aged well for only 40K miles - "a bag of bolts" springs to mind, but the engine was fine!
How good is the Focus 2.0 TDCi 136 ps - MikeTorque
How does it the Focus 2.0 TDCi 136 ps compare with a Golf Vi 2.0 ?

Well I've now tested them and have to say the Golf 2.0 engine is a gem. The Golf TDI 110 and 140 are smooth and quiet from tick over, the throttle response is instant, they are superb engines. The ride is good although road noise is well suppressed it can still be heard on rough surfaces, however, the Focus Style is similar whereas the Zetec is slightly more noticeable. The Golf VI overall quality and attention to design detail is also superb. The driver information dials etc. are clear and easy to see, nothing fancy but clarity and straight in the eye information flow is excellent. Seating is spot on, nice comfort and shape. Steering is slightly heavy and could do with Focus like steering options. The Golf's brakes are over assisted and lack feel, you only have to breath on them and the car does an emergency stop, nice for some people but I prefer a little less assistance and more feel. The Golf's handling is predictable and involving but the Focus is more so.

Golf negative points, not enough colours in the range to choose from, used mark VI's are rare so expect a 2 to 3 month wait for a new one, more expensive to buy than a Focus but used values hold up better.

The Focus Zetec front centre arm rest needs height adjustment or a flexible side inner storage box to allow the arm rest to be lowered. It's a pain reaching over the top of it to change gear and apply the hand brake, and it becomes noticeably worse the further back the drivers seat is positioned. If the arm rest top is raised (to get it out of the way) it then wobbles and can creak due to vibration, it's now heavier than the original Focus II front arm rest, anyway I don't need a centre arm rest so for me it's a waste of space. The build quality of the upgraded Focus II and Golf are similar.

Conclusion, both the Golf VI and Focus II each have their merits as well as their weaknesses. The Golf is marginally the better packaged, the Focus is the better drivers car and cost less to purchase new, plus lots of used ones available.
How good is the Focus 2.0 TDCi 136 ps - Avant
Both very good cars, with different pluses and minuses as people have pointed out.

A VW is better value bought new, a Ford secondhand, as VWs hold their value better (partly through perception of build quality, mainly because there are lots of ex-fleet Focuses around). If you're buying used, I should think there are some good bargains to be had if you go for a Focus.
 

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