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Not a shred of sympathy from me.
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No sympathy from me, either.
I just hope the coppers who chased him don't beat themselves up, or more importantly, are not beaten up by their bosses/those paid to police them.
There's only one person responsible for the death of this lad - the lad himself.
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The only "waste" was the air he breathed while he was alive.
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A young lad of 17 dies. OK he had stolen a car, OK he was foolish but its still a sad loss of a young life. He was still some mother's son.
I trust RR that you and your family have always lived a blameless life
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A young lad of 17 dies. OK he had stolen a car OK he was foolish but its still a sad loss of a young life. He was still some mother's son. I trust RR that you and your family have always lived a blameless life
17 is not a child, it is someone easily old enough to know that stealing a car and driving it like a lunatic is putting innocent lives at risk, as well as causing incredable hardship and inconvenience to the owner of the vehicle. I've just watched traffic Cops on BBC1 and the sneering couldn't care less attitude of similar types of youths who had been arrested after crashing a stolen car really got under my skin.
If they take themselves out in the process, good riddance. They are part of a significant minority who will rarely mature and reform into decent human beings, but spend their lives being anything from a persistant pain in the butt to a danger to everyone else.
And I have not lived a blameless life by any means, but my misdeeds did not include stealing the second most expensive purchase most people are likely to make, wrecking it and nearly killing others in the process.
No sympathy and no apology for the lack of.
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well said
mr robin r
i fully agree with you
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Result. If he had survived long enough to impregnate a suitable chav partner there would have been another 2, 3 or 4 etc like him in the years to come. A lot less future strain on the benefit system, that is the only positivne outcome of this.
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It truly is a sad world when we cannot regret the loss of a young life, whatever that person has done especially when we know nothing else about him or his family other than how he died.
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No sympathy.
I can't imagine that he had any moral justification for stealing the car but if it turns out that he did then I will retract my comment.
I do have some sympathy for his family who may or may not behave in a similar way to this individual.
I also feel some sympathy for the officers involved who will no doubt have lots of paperwork to deal with which will undoubtedly be a hassle.
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>>It truly is a sad world when we cannot regret the loss of a young life, whatever that person has done especially when we know nothing else about him or his family other than how he died.
Quite. I'm disappointed at some of the comments in this thread. Nothing is ever black and white, and sympathy for all concerned is more appropriate.
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It is truly a sad world when people mourn one car thief causes his own death. We should be celebrating the fact that it was not three deaths. One less car thief - Sharia law has something going for it here.
I also have no sympathy for the family, after all it is the parents who brought him up without the ability to recognise right from wrong, that he should not steal, act unreasonably or antisocially etc. It is this failing that caused him to steal the car in the first place. Nothing is their fault and they believe they can do whatever they want. There are too many of these people around and the numbers are growing.
BTW - My parents were not well off, I never went out and stole a car/vandalised property/burgled houses/mugged people . .
Until society does something about parental responsibility then we are going to continue down the road to ruin.
Must learn to spell
Edited by ijws15 on 17/07/2009 at 09:09
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That post summaraises it for me as well... the reason many of us have little or no sympathy, Manatee, is that he could so easily have caused other deaths or injuries with his actions, luckily he didn't.
He shouldn't have stolen the car, Full Stop.
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Goodness me, John Major and his rose tinted glasses alive and well and living in this thread lol :)
Now we do understand that crime couldn't possibly have existed before you all grew up (grew old?) and that you remember your early years as jolly nice times where everybody was happy and no bullying, knifing, murders, stupid acts that led to death, could ever have happened, and certainly never involved you or your playmates in any slight way....... no we do understand all this
meanwhile, back on planet Earth................. ;)
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Fairly good description of my childhood, R40, just the bullying, thats all I got...
And people did leave their doors unlocked when they went out as well (you forgot that!)...
And I'm talking the 60s, not that long ago...
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60's - I am too young to remember much, but I remember Harry Roberts, the Kray twins, the Great Train Robbery, the weekly bundles at football matches, mods & rockers terrorising seaside towns where my grandparents lived (and later skinheads). And of course A Clockwork Orange (book was 60s, film early 70s).
But I don't see the motoring connection...?
Edited by smokie on 17/07/2009 at 14:26
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'...Nothing is ever black and white...'
It is in my world Manatee. I either love 'em or loathe 'em (people, places, products, etc.)... ...and 17-year old scrotes who go around causing unwarranted mayhem to otherwise innocuous beings and their property unsurprisingly fall into the loathe 'em camp!
As many before me have stated, it's the folk that have to 'tidy-up' after incidents such as these that one feels most sympathy for.
Have a nice day now...
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>>> The pensioner tragedy is why I keep banging on about left foot braking an automatic while manoeuvring. One foot, one pedal keeps the car under control in this circumstance and makes sure the right foot can't get confused. Whether you drive that way out on the road is another matter, but when manoeuvring it's essential and could prevent around 200 tragedies like this one every year. HJ <<<
Perhaps this should form a new thread? The only time I have ever used my left foot to apply the brake in an automatic is when a car has had idling problems and so I've had to increase the revs whilst stopping the critter at the same time.
If I asked my wife to start using her left foot for braking whilst manoeuring the car - she would really get in a tiswas.
If it was taught at the driving school & bacame part of the test - that would be another matter, and may well be worthy of consideration?
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Some very unsympathetic posts on this thread, which to be honest read quite harshly...until you ask yourself why?
It isn't hard to answer or explain, i think many of us are way past caring what happens to chav type's seeing as our leaders and law makers have lost the plot (and tied the old Bill's hands at the same time) we are justifyably quite content when natural selection takes place.
It does sound hard, but these people make their choices in life and sometimes the end result benefits the majority of decent folk, not often enough one could be forgiven for thinking.
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>>> It truly is a sad world when we cannot regret the loss of a young life, whatever that person has done especially when we know nothing else about him or his family other than how he died. <<<
My sentiments precisely and no reference in the article of his being a scumbag or chav.
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My sentiments precisely and no reference in the article of his being a scumbag or chav.
I think the problem is many people think that if you steal something, you're a scumbag.
...and if you steal a car; fail to stop for police; indulge in a lengthy and dangerous pursuit; put many people's lives in danger, inc your own... and ultimately, through your own selfishness and recklessness, cause grief to your loved ones..then you're definitely a scumbag
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I think the problem is many people think that if you steal something you're a scumbag. ...and if you steal a car; fail to stop for police; indulge in a lengthy and dangerous pursuit; put many people's lives in danger inc your own... and ultimately through your own selfishness and recklessness cause grief to your loved ones..then you're definitely a scumbag
I think that would define most people's description of a scumbag. Definately not someone you would want to live next door to, or have your kids mix with.
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People in youth and under stress sometimes do extraordinary things that may be grossly out of character. It's not as if stealing a car, trying to outrun the police and perishing in a film-noir climax were strange ideas that would only occur to a scumbag. They have been inserted into everyone's fantasy life by film and television.
You would have to know something about this boy to have a good idea of his scumbag status. And I don't think we know much.
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*. I'm not the slightest bit interested in debating it again.*
Message received AND understood.
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Unless someone posts something to convince me otherwise... this thread will be readonly shortly.
Rob
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