Pit Start - Self Service Garage - MikeTorque
Self Service Garage, an interesting idea, was on Fifth Gear the other day.

Would you use these facilities if there was a garage available near you ?

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Pit Start - Self Service Garage - OldSock

Similar places have tried this, but it's not really caught on.

Sounds okay in principle, but I suspect there might be some snags. A serious accident/death/fire wouldn't go down too well....
Pit Start - Self Service Garage - perleman
Yes I hate working in the street
Pit Start - Self Service Garage - David Horn
Yes, I'd use it. Being able to attempt something knowing that all the tools I need are there; having the car on a lift to get at the underneath, and a warm, dry, and clean environment is well worth £20/hour.
Pit Start - Self Service Garage - DP
There is a place just outside Amsterdam in the Netherlands offering this service to motorcyclists. There's also a professional motorcycle mechanic on site whose services / advice can be purchased by the half hour. It was covered in one of the bike mags a year or so ago, and is apparently doing a roaring trade.
Pit Start - Self Service Garage - Harleyman
There was one in Derby some years ago,on the old Burton Road, don't know if it's still there.
Basically a small motor factors which had a covered bay with a pit in it. Can't remember what tools or facilities were available but ISTR it was usually busy, though always had old engine oil everywhere.
Pit Start - Self Service Garage - martint123
ISTR there was one in Hull (clough road) many, many years ago.
I have a feeling it was a Halfords (as it is now) but 'elf & safety' shut it down.

I'd use one, if only for the lift.
Pit Start - Self Service Garage - SpamCan61 {P}
ISTR there was one in Hull (clough road) many many years ago.
I have a feeling it was a Halfords (as it is now) but 'elf &
safety' shut it down.
I'd use one if only for the lift.


yeah, i've got this vague memory Halfords in Basingstoke were going to offer this service in the mid 90s; not sure it ever happened, the space allocated became a Daewoo showroom, think it's a branch of Maplin now.
Pit Start - Self Service Garage - L'escargot
............. well worth £20/hour.


I'd sooner pay the extra £7 per hour that my local franchised Ford dealer charges. With them working quicker their total charge could well be less despite their higher hourly rate.
Pit Start - Self Service Garage - David Horn
>> ............. well worth £20/hour.
I'd sooner pay the extra £7 per hour that my local franchised Ford dealer charges.
With them working quicker their total charge could well be less despite their higher hourly
rate.


Are you being paid to advertise your Ford dealer? How many hours did it take you to drain out your oil after they screwed it up?
Pit Start - Self Service Garage - Optimist
I can't see how l'escargot's franchised dealer stays in business charging a labour rate of £27 per hour.

Is that the figure on the invoice or a computation based on something else?



Pit Start - Self Service Garage - L'escargot
I can't see how l'escargot's franchised dealer stays in business charging a labour rate of
£27 per hour.
Is that the figure on the invoice or a computation based on something else?


My mistake, that was the MOT cost. The labour cost for the service was £43.480 per hour, plus VAT.
Pit Start - Self Service Garage - L'escargot
Are you being paid to advertise your Ford dealer? How many hours did it take
you to drain out your oil after they screwed it up?


Don't be so dramatic. They didn't "screw it up", they merely put in a 1/4 litre too much oil. I can fully appreciate how impracticable it would be for a garage to put in a basic amount and then top up to the required level in the time allowed for a service. The exact amount needed will depend on the individual engine and how much of the original oil drains out. Incidentally, it took no more than 5 minutes of my time to remove the excess. After I'd set the siphoning action in motion in my garage I left it to it's own devices and did other things until it was time to remove the siphoning tube. The point of my post was to say how easy it was to remove excess oil for merely the cost of a piece of PVC tube.
Pit Start - Self Service Garage - Number_Cruncher
>>I can fully appreciate how impracticable it would be for a garage to put in a basic amount and then top up to the required level in the time allowed for a service

Now you're making excuses for them.

I thought you said you were a picky customer?

The mechanic should be able to set the oil level during a service. The way I used to do it was to put in an amount to get the oil well onto the dipstick, run the engine to fill the filter, and then get on with something else for a short while, and then finally come back, read the dipstick, and put in the remainder. For the price you're paying, you should expect this aspect of servicing to be done correctly - it's one of the very few service items where a mechanic has to use some degree of skill.

Pit Start - Self Service Garage - L'escargot
The mechanic should be able to set the oil level during a service. The way
I used to do it was to put in an amount to get the oil
well onto the dipstick run the engine to fill the filter and then get on
with something else for a short while and then finally come back read the dipstick
and put in the remainder.


When did you change from being a garage mechanic to crunching numbers?
;-)
Pit Start - Self Service Garage - Number_Cruncher
>>When did you change from being a garage mechanic to crunching numbers?
;-)

1993
Pit Start - Self Service Garage - RickyBoy
The MKOK Garage was set-up in MK over 30-years ago using this principle. You'd hire a bay/ramp/whatever by the hour. I used to do the oil-changes on my Austin 1300 & Hillman Avenger there!

It's still on the original site but looks to have become an independent (employing skilled mechanics, etc.) in more recent times:
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Pit Start - Self Service Garage - Roly93
This is a great idea, and has been going for donkeys years in the USA.
£20 an hour is a bit steep though. Our OTT H&S culture in the UK probably makes it a very difficult concept to run though.

Assuming you wanted to do a DIY clutch change for instance, this could take quite a few hours to the DIY mechanic so the bill would soon rack up.

I would hope they had all day or half day rates ?

Pit Start - Self Service Garage - Cliff Pope
Quite a few Halfords branches used to do this, years ago.
I can't quite picture what level of job this would be appropriate for, and if you were expert enough to be able to assess that, you wouldn't need the service.

I have always done all my own car jobs myself, in my younger days working in the street. Anyone else ever swapped a gearbox in winter lying in the gutter?

Nearly all jobs I tackle turn out to have unexpected snags. One of the 6 studs breaks off, the nut rounds off, the supplied gasket turns out to be the wrong one, I discover I need a new seal and special O-ring, not just the kit that came with the parts, etc etc.
At home this doesn't matter - I just use another car until I sort it out or the correct parts arrive. But I'd hate to be paying £20 an hour for a week while the dealer sources a new part from Sweden or somewhere.
Pit Start - Self Service Garage - gordonbennet
I'd certainly make use of one and pay well for the privelidge if for no other reason than to fully waxoyl the car....if they supplied the correct equipment they'd be on a winner.

Was considering getting the pick up professionally rustproofed, but at £380 to £580 quotes makes you wonder if it's worthwhile.
Pit Start - Self Service Garage - ifithelps
I wonder if they've had their first numpty who's ballsed up his repair and can't get his car off the premises?
Pit Start - Self Service Garage - Number_Cruncher
>>I wonder if they've had their first numpty

The business will rely upon there being a certain proportion of such types who, after making a right mess of it, need to avail themselves of the more specialist services on offer.

Pit Start - Self Service Garage - ifithelps
NC,

A quick read of the blurb said something about floor supervisors who cannot repair your car.

I got the impression they are not offering any specialised mechanical services.
Pit Start - Self Service Garage - bell boy
most people these days dont even know how to check tyre pressures or could be bothered so im surprised an enterprise for the common man to oil his gimballs would ever get off the ground
i assume there are strict enforceble rules and everything must be risk assesed before they are allowed to use a hoist as even doing this is fraught with danger if you dont even know where your jacking points are
Pit Start - Self Service Garage - bell boy
just thought of a classic
man undoes pinch bolt on strut to hub on a mk 5 fiesta
bolt snaps as they often do
what happens then ?
Pit Start - Self Service Garage - Active8
That is correct they will offer advice, and be helpful, but it is up to you to repair your car.



One of the floor supervisors that was there on my last visit, was one of the self employed technicians who rent the spaces opposite the four poster ramps.



In what were the open spaces with a floor jack are several two poster ramps with the independent techs running their own seperate operation at the premises, therefore there is even more technical expertise than what just a floor supervisor would be able to provide. So if you did get stuck then they can help, although if you plan ahead then you should be able to keep on top of the job, and get it done.



They also do MOT's there now, and there is a window tinting tech based there.

Edited by Active8 on 23/11/2011 at 17:37

Pit Start - Self Service Garage - Spanner it

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The first in the north east, Self Service Garage.

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Pit Start - Self Service Garage - Dynamic Dave

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