I joined this forum specifically to let folks know about the totally appaling service i've had from Black Circles.
I used them to get 2 new front tyres (Yokohama) for my Nissan Micra. Less than a month later & under 500 miles they were showing excessive wear all over the surface of both tyres. My car had recently been mot'd & as soon as I saw the wear I went to my usual garage who checked my car & confirmed there were no problems with it + the checked the tracking & gave me a print out showing it was spot on.
Black Circles have refused to replace or refund the tyres, insisting that the tyres had been in use already for 'some time' ! Some 10 or more emails later they have still refused stating that my only option is to have the tyres returned to the manufacturer for testing - if they say there's nothing wrong with the tyres i'd have to pay for them to be returned to me + the cost of the tyres fitted to replace these ones while they're being tested will be due. Despite the fact that this is against the Sales of Goods act as it involves a third party, its worth saying that why they expect a customer to trust the word of a manufacturer who has clearly supplied substandard products is beyond me. I've also pointed out that it could well have been the fitting of the tyres that was at fault & therefore removing the tyres to be sent for testing means I would have no come back there. My car has been tested & i've provided them with the proof that it was in good condition - its therefore obvious that its the tyres or the fitting that was ta fault.
I'm nearly 50 years old & this is the worst customer service i've ever come across. Whatever you do don't buy from them - you might save some money but if something goes wrong you've had it. They're a company who think a month & less than 500 miles isn't something they should do much about.
shockingly bad customer service - trading standards & citizens advice have advised me all along that I am in the right & that aspects of the Sales of Goods act are at issue here.
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Recently I needed new tyres for our Micra. Always keen to save a pound or two I first tried Event Tyres who I used last time (they gave a great service, low price and came to the house) but they no longer covered our area. So then I looked at the various internet suppliers sites. Wanted mid range tyres and there were plenty to choose from all at arount £50 a tyre. What we actually wanted was Kleber Quadraxer and a couple of sites offered these at around this price. Tried the "fiting partners" listed and most had never heard of the sites they were featured on and those that had wanted about double the advertised price. Then I asked the mobile fitter who lives up the street but while he was happy to fit any tyres I bought his price was stupid and he was simply not interested in supplying 4 tyres and fitting them, obviously only interested in corporate clients.
So basically the price for 4 tyres delivered and fitted with new valves and balanced by the cheapest fitter was £252.
Then I thought about it a bit. What happens if the tyres supplied are found to be faulty after fitting. Simple answer was you have to buy a replacement tyre and pay to have it fitted, pay to return it and hopefully get a refund if they agree its faulty, could take months.
So I tried the local well known companies. ATS did the quadraxer and if I ordered and paid on-line it was a total of £260 all in. No risk, no hassle. Just drove in at the agreed time, tyres fitted and drove out. Any issues the branch deals with them.
Why save £8.
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If a good brand of tyres are only lasting 500 miles, then the problem is not with the tyres. It's with a fault on the car they're fitted to, or it's with the driver.
Plenty of people on this forum thread (the vast majority of those who have posted) who have used blackcircles have had a perfectly fine experience, and lots have said they would (or have) recomend them to family or friends.
I'll add myself to the list of positive reviews for them, used them a couple of times, though for the last set of tyres they weren't hugely competitive, so I used another firm.
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Each wheel needs correct geometry in 3 different axes - toe, camber, castor.
"Tracking" only checks/adjusts the 2 front toe settings - that's just 2 out of the 12 possible, any one of which can cause rapid excess tyre wear if out of specification.
I've known new cars with out of spec settings, in both cases they would have been heavily strapped down for the long sea trip from Japan/Korea - they get adjusted at port of entry but really need a 1,00 miles to settle the suspension.
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>> Less than a month later & under 500 miles they were showing excessive wear all over the surface of both tyres. My car had recently been mot'd
Could they have been swapped?
Check the age with the DOT codes: www.etyres.co.uk/glossary-tyre-terms/?term=dot-cod...s
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>>>So I tried the local well known companies. ATS did the quadraxer and if I ordered and paid on-line it was a total of £260 all in. No risk, no hassle. Just drove in at the agreed time, tyres fitted and drove out. Any issues the branch deals with them.
I had the worst customer experience with ATS I have known, they were useless supplying 3 similar tyres and 1 different. Not to mention taking over 2 hours to fit them. They did not offer an apology for their incompetence, I will never use them again.
I do not work or have any connection with ATS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Sounds like getting some new tyres via a franchised outfit has just the same chance in getting a good or bad experience as most car dealerships (particularly the European ones). Sad to say that being a 'named franchise' does not guarantee quality. Just a side effect of modern consumer life I suppose!
In BlackCircles defence, they only provide the tyres (which assuming they are the genuine article [no reason to doubt so]), so the experience following fitting really depends upon the quality of the fitter (which I suppose 3rd party supplies such as BlackCircles should keep under review if listed as a 'partner', if you go with one [you don't have to]) and the suitability of the tyres we choose with our cars (down to us to check out general reviews and those of owners of the same or similar cars to ours).
I believe that the general tyre 'tests' in the motoring press don't give that much useful information, as:
- Most tests are skewed towards using the tyres in a performance environment, such as on a race track with a higher performance car giving it a good amount of welly - not really the same (even for 'ordinary tyres') as in real life - most of us don't use our cars on track days!;
- The results of the top 5 tend to be (in overal score) very close, and barring the really cheapo Chinese etc brands, most score within 10% of the top-rated tyres. I can't believe the cheapo ones are all that good, especially when some are over half the price of the premium branded tyres.
I prefer to check out a range of reviews on www.tyrereviews.co.uk as you can at least see what type of driver (light-footed like myself to 'spirited'), miles covered, car details and (hopefully) a good written review of the experience not just in the first few months/1000 miles.
I have emailed them to ask if they should allow reviewers to be able to update their reviews (say twice) to give results and comments throughout the life of the tyre, but they said they had no plans to do so at present. Still - better than nothing I suppose, and you can always review them separately twice, though the results may be skewed then (they generally appear to give snow/winter tyres better results than all season/summer tyres, as most probably do lower mileages).
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I don't have issues with tyre make, or where they were made. Probably because I don't expect miracles from the tyres, so don't push my luck with them, trying to find their limits.
So, I look at how much money I've got to spare, and buy accordingly....even of tinternet, used....[I haven't ever been disappointed in that respect, either....it's all about being realisitc about what one is buying].
At my place-of-work, we have an onsite tyre fitter, full time...who is happy to change a tyre in his lunch hour, for the price of a packet of custard creams. Balanced as well, if I wanted it.
So, I take full advantage.....most often buying online.
I have found the likes of Blackcircles to not be the cheapest by far...even if ony 'supplying'.
For a recommendation , I can do so for CAmskill tyres.
I have found them easy to deal with, online....superb delivery, sometimes less than 24 hours as well.....[not that it mattered..still couldn't have them fitted until the next day, earliest!].....and in some instances, way way cheaper than the biggies....they will answer questions, etc quickly...
I am solely a satisfied customer....no other conection.
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I bought 4 Goodyear Efficient Grip Performance tyres fully fitted for my Golf for £60 each.
Camskill price per tyre for the same is £49.30 and you have got to get them fitted. It must cost at least £10 to get fitted, balanced, dispose of old tyres and a new valve (extra) unless you have a tame fitter on site.
For the rest of us I think the best way is to ring round a few local places and do a deal.
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Agree with AlastairQ, except i'm very fussy about what i will and won't use.
I've used Camskill several times, also TyreLeader, Mytyres, Oponeo, Tyremen, in no particular order i have had not the slightest problem with any of them.
I used to have a good local place where the manager would always do me a fair deal from my shortlist, but he left and icreasingly the local fitting shop tries to pressurise you into buying what they presumably make the most profit on, can't be doing with it, online suits me fine and i often buy 6 months or more before needed when the right bargain crops up.
Edited by gordonbennet on 31/12/2014 at 19:02
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Agree with AlastairQ, except i'm very fussy about what i will and won't use.
I've used Camskill several times, also TyreLeader, Mytyres, Oponeo, Tyremen, in no particular order i have had not the slightest problem with any of them.
I used to have a good local place where the manager would always do me a fair deal from my shortlist, but he left and icreasingly the local fitting shop tries to pressurise you into buying what they presumably make the most profit on, can't be doing with it, online suits me fine and i often buy 6 months or more before needed when the right bargain crops up.
Just wondering - is there a 'best time' to buy standard summer tyres? Are there 'set' sales periods like other goods? Are prices like on Amazon, where large demand often reduces prices (presumably due to competition), or like with car sales, where low demand leads to price reductions?
I was lucky when I bought/had fitted my car's new tyres 2.5 years ago that BlackCircles had them (4x Dunlop SPSport FastResponse 205/55 R16V) at a reasonable price (and £20 cheaper than [at the time] many similar performing tyres) but with a 4x Tesco points offer on (~1152 points) as well. Shame the fitter experience wasn't the best (the one in question no longer is partnered with BlackCircles), but overall not that bad.
I might try the 'man in a van' fitter next time (buying online first), as long as they are recommended by friends and neighbours and are cheaper than going to a franchised 'fast fit' centre for the fitting.
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Amazon do sell tyres directly. For example this week they have had 205/55/R16 tyres by Goodyear for £51.79 and Pirelll for just under £51. Supply only. Free delivery for Prime members.
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Amazon do sell tyres directly. For example this week they have had 205/55/R16 tyres by Goodyear for £51.79 and Pirelll for just under £51. Supply only. Free delivery for Prime members.
Sorry, I actually didn't mean Amazon selling tyres directly, more a general policy over sales, but its good to know they do. I wonder if they now sell k****** sinks, as the seem to sell just about everything else!!
Just looked up - they do :-)
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