Came across a guess the car competition today at tinyurl.com/mgbyy7 which looks challenging - to kick off the easiest one for me is #10 - a Jag XJ220
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#17 - BMW M1
#11 - Porsche 959
Edited by TimOrridge on 23/06/2009 at 08:55
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3. Bugatti
6. Spider
8. Renault
12. Porsche
15 Jenson
Probably all wrong!
Clk Sec
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#2 is going to annoy me all day, it's an AC of some kind but can't remember the model name.
#13 is a Plymouth Prowler, #16 is a Facel-Vega HK500 and I think #19 is an Iso Griffo (or possibly a Monteverdi ...)
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#2 is going to annoy me all day it's an AC of some kind but can't remember the model name.
3000 ME?
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#6 keeps saying Ginetta 2 me???
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#12 - Avanti from the US
#17 - BMW M1
#14 - MINI
#11 - Porsche 959
#9 - Ferrari 308GT4
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2. AC 3000 ME
4. Alfa SV
7. Delorean
8. Toyota FJ Cruiser
9. De Tomaso Pantera
10. Jaguar XJ220
11. Porsche 959
12. Monteverdi Hai
13. Plymouth Prowler
14. BMW Mini??
16. Facel Vega
17. BMW M1
20. Chevrolet Corvette Stingray
A couple of others are on tip of tongue but couldnt congure them!
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>>#12 - Avanti from the US <<
Not even close, then again most people have never seen a Hai so your forgiven. The Hai is the work of Trevor Fiore, not Raymond Loewy who designed the Avanti.
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I must admit - although I thought the sweep of the side rear window was the Avanti the front did give me cause for concern.
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15 is the one that really stumped me as Im sure ive seen the car in an article somewhere but I cant place it. It looks very italian but could be any number of rare cars. Pretty whatever it is.
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I think #19 is an Iso Griffo (or possibly a Monteverdi ...)
Definitely an Iso Grifo - I had a Matchbox (or was it Corgi?) toy one of those!
Also, #4 is an Alfa Romeo RZ (convertible SZ).
Edited by Typ 8L on 23/06/2009 at 17:37
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I'd guess at a Pegaso for number 15, or, at a stretch, a rebodied Fiat 8V but I wouldn't know who by.
f2
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I'd guess at a Pegaso for number 15 or at a stretch a rebodied Fiat 8V but I wouldn't know who by.
Spot on f2! It's a Pegaso Z-102 (or possibly Z-103) - an obscure 50s sports car made by a Spanish truck-builder. You can just about make out the name along the edge of the bonnet.
Edited by Typ 8L on 23/06/2009 at 18:09
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Its a Pegaso Z-103 Berlinetta Touring circa 1953. That took some research!
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Number 5 is a Ferrari 360 Spider.
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Yes a Pegaso Z-102 apparently. There's a picture of what I suspect is the same car in the same location at tinyurl.com/kpo4kt According to that site it's a Pegaso Z 102 Coupé Touring - just noticed the ISO Grifo too...
Edited by merlin on 23/06/2009 at 18:57
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I found an identical pic calling it a 103, but its quite possible that Touring offered the same body on both a 102 and 103 given the bespoke nature of the cars.
Most fun ive had in ages though, if you can do any more guess the car quizzes merlin, please do!
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Most fun ive had in ages though if you can do any more guess the car quizzes merlin please do!
Glad to hear you're enjoying this. Think I'm a bit too young for some of these cars...
I came across this competition on another forum. So far the only ones they haven't identified are #3 and #6. The car they came up with for #9 is different from the Ferrari and Pantera here. I think their answer is correct.
I can give the link to the other forum if you want but I didn't want to spoil the fun here.
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obscure 50s sports car made by a Spanish truck-builder.
They were very, very expensive and - on paper - very very fast. They were among the supercars of the day and every schoolboy knew about them. But they were so rare that one had no idea what they were really like.
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I'd hazard a good guess that the red winged tourer is a Delahaye or a Delage. The Black car with the vertical twin headlights is a Facel Vega Facellia.
Ted
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Not a Facellia as the bumper doesnt have a recess for the headlights on those. The only model that I could find which does is the FVS and HK500.
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Not a Facellia as the bumper doesnt have a recess for the headlights on those.
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Some nice pictures of Facellias on Motorbase .com....all have recessed bumpers.
Ted>>
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Ok fair point Ted, BUT also check the small grille to the side of the lights - on the Facellia it is one whole piece of mesh, whereas on the FV model it has a bar across the middle of this grille, as in the picture. The Excellence also has this bar but the grille is the wrong shape.
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Ok fair point Ted BUT also check the small grille to the side of the lights - on the Facellia it is one whole piece of mesh whereas on the FV model it has a bar across the middle of this grille as in the picture. OK Stu, I noticed that as well...the HK has the bar so maybe it's that model.
Ted
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made by a Spanish truck-builder.
Interesting the way these Latin sons of toil made good go into the supercar business. Not just Pegaso but Lamborghini (a tractor maker I think). Professor Porsche was a dab hand at weird trucks and tractors too...
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Isn't no. 3 stunning? ClkSec thinks it's a Bugatti: not sure as it hasn't got that downward sweeping coachline/crease or whatever you call it on the front door.
Very likely c. 1939: possibly one of those defunct French makes (Delage, Delahaye etc)?
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That no.3 has been puzzling me big time. It looks a bit heavy in styling terms to be italian, so I was thinking it was either french or german. The only thing that makes me think its late 40's rather than pre-war is the faired in headlamps.
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Good point Stu - I've had a look via Google at Delage, Delahaye and even pre-war Triumphs but thers's nothing like that radiator grille.
I wonder if any of the Americans did anything like this: they could well have had faired-in headlamps earlier than the Europeans.
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You know Im wondering now if that is something eastern european as there is a Skoda parked behind it...
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Number 3... looks a bit like a '39 Ford Deluxe, but too much chrome....one of its sister's maybe?
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You know Im wondering now if that is something eastern european as there is a Skoda parked behind it...
It's not a Skoda, it's an early 60s VW Karmann Ghia.
Doesn't help though as the photo was clearly taken at some sort of classic car show or rally, hence the "69" sticker in the windscreen. What is puzzling is that the windscreen glass appears to be curved which would make it late 1950s at the earliest despite the styling and suicide doors suggesting something older.
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Yeah agree on the Karman, it was getting late!
It looks to me like a cross between a DKW and an early Opel - Im sure its german, it just has that heavy look about it.
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Merlin, I was a bit quick to guess on no.9 - how does a Lamborghini Jalpa sound?
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Sounds good to me. So now we have:
1. Lotus Elise
2. AC 3000 ME
4. Alfa RZ
5. Ferrari 360 Spider
7. Delorean DMC12
8. Toyota FJ Cruiser
9. Lamborghini Jalpa
10. Jaguar XJ220
11. Porsche 959
12. Monteverdi Hai
13. Plymouth Prowler
14. BMW Mini
15. Pegaso Z-102
16. Facel Vega HK500
17. BMW M1
19. ISO Grifo
20. Chevrolet Corvette Stingray
Leaving 3,6,18
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I would guess 3 as a Delahaye, body by Chapron... but they are guesses really.
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#9 is not a Lamborghini Jalpa. It's frustrating the hell out of me because I recognise it but can't put a name to it.
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See tinyurl.com/nwsv5f for why I think the Jalpa is 9.
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See tinyurl.com/nwsv5f for why I think the Jalpa is 9.
I take it back, you are correct.
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I reckon number 18 is an F50. (It may be a sign of age but I could remember the Pegaso but had to go searching for what an F50 looked like...).
f2
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Yes #18 is the Ferrari F50 so that leaves 3 and 6. Thankfully someone on the other forum has identified 3 but I'll keep quiet about that for now.
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I'm impressed. I put some effort into identifying #6 but was finding it difficult to know where to start.
That only leaves #3
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difficult to know where to start. <<
So was I, I knew it was a kit-car and "I know a man" who knows his kit-cars, took im all of 15 secs!
He is an ex RAF Engineer - Top Notch! works with Aluminium bodied stuff now, in the E. Sussex area.
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Interesting - #3 on the other forum was identified by "a friend who knows this stuff"...
Not sure that my googling approach is good enough to identify these cars without some specialist knowledge. There's just too little to go on as far as I can see.
FWIW no one has identified #6, the Raffo Belva on the forum where I found this competition. That's the only one they are missing.
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>>> FWIW no one has identified #6, the Raffo Belva on the forum where I found this competition. <<<
I'm not surprised merlin, I actually emailed the pic to a number of kit-car specialists without result, before I remembered my ole mate Vic 'up country'.
... it's not what you know etc., etc., etc.
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Interesting - #3 on the other forum was identified by "a friend who knows this stuff"...
So, Merlin, what was the friend's opinion? I would say that is definitely a French coachbuilt body by Chapron or Saoutchik (or some such spelling). The car is a bit stubby for a Delahaye though...
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I don't think the body is by Chapron or Saoutchik as I couldn't find any reference to these names in connection with the car. However part of what you say is correct.
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Spoiler Alert - For anyone who wants to know what #3 is see tinyurl.com/n6r275
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