Anybody know what the cause of all this chaos was?
Just curious...
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Almost certainly ? cheers.
We were driving out and about in Marlow, Cliveden & Gt. Missenden throughout the day and it all sounded (R2 updates) to be an extremely difficult time for anybody having to sit it out on the M1/4/25 and surrounding A-roads.
Man on a gantry, eh? Good enough reason to keep a shotgun in your motor these days...
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M1 was almost empty when I joined in J8 in the evening :)
The traffic was so sparse that I was wondering whether I missed a sign saying "M1 closed"
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well, the A41 Northbounds and North Circular in Hendon were gridlocked between 6 - 7 pm as I cycled past - almost felt smug but did feel sorry for all those poor people.
All that for one person with ' issues ' - there must be better ways of dealing with these situations than ' sit and wait ' ?? - missed flights , appointments , deliveries , must cost millions.
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Perhaps if all those who were inconvenienced where to sue the pants of these selfish individuals, then the message might get around that dangling from road bridges is not the best way to air your grievances.
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i assume nobody went up there told him they understood "his issues" and then promptly pushed him off the gantry?
im sure i read that that was the normal way to treat these attention seekers somewhere in the big world
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There's some bloke done the same thing on the Runcorn Bridge around 3 times in two years. If he's mentally ill, then he should be on a ward. If he's not, then he should be in a cell.
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Only on this forum could we have one thread advocating that anyone with mental illness should be locked up in a ward or a cell, and on another thread wishing a member well dealing with his depression.
I hope those that are criticising never end up feeling there is no point to life anymore and they can't cope.
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Well said, BG.
8< Snip. Non relevant comment which was provoking another BR member removed - DD
Edited by Dynamic Dave on 12/06/2009 at 14:03
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I wonder what the full and final cost of yesterdays M1 closure will total.
Materials will have failed to reach factories thus slowing or shutting down production. Goods will have failed to reach their destination on time. Appointments will have been missed thus wasting paid for man hours. People may have missed the weddings or funerals of loved ones.
All because of the selfishness of ONE individual. If you could collate the figures from around the UK for such incidents, I think I'd be safe in assuming one such incident a week.
The usual " Had a row with the wife / girlfriend " or ' nobody loves me " offerings do not count as mental illness in my book.
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Only on this forum could we have one thread advocating that anyone with mental illness should be locked up in a ward or a cell
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>i think that mental illness and care in the community dont work
unfortunately theres too many do gooders in society who will have these people walking the streets so long as they dont walk their streets and not enough money to properly care for these people till they start doing proper self harm or climbing gantries
i lived next to a secure unit for many years i have family who worked in the wards,trust me for lots of people safe secure places are better than drugs and a handout from the govt and told to integrate in rotting bedsits
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i have family who worked in the wards trust me for lots of people safe secure places are better than drugs and a handout from the govt and told to integrate in rotting bedsits
bb,
I could bore you to death with acres of evidence proving you are 100% correct..which is very sad for the individuals concerned and worrying for the rest of us....not for a motoring site, so i'll 'wind my neck in'.
back to the main story and other's contributions....I'm not convinced sending a bill for many thousands of pounds to an individual who has just contemplated suicide by jumping off a motorway gantry is going to encourage them to see the brighter side of life.. but ho hum, i'm no expert in that field.
Edited by Westpig on 12/06/2009 at 12:16
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Cheshire police have been successful in charging and taking to court, those that have climbed on the Runcorn Bridge thus stopping traffic flow on a vital artery. They have sifted out the genuinely mentally ill and have dealt with those whose only problems have been
of the domestic sort or alcohol induced. There are warning signs on the Bridge pointing out the likelyhood of prosecution as well.
Climbing up the Bridge has seen a decline because of this.
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Just out of interest even if you sue them where is all this money you talk about going to come from? As far as I know those who threaten or commit suicide (and its probably more common on the railways than roads) do so because they have got themselves into a situation where they can't see a way out... which is normally money or relationship related, normally both... so even if you did sue i doubt you have much chance of getting anything back...
I'm not sure what the real answer is, having watched some of those documentaries about the workhouses and mental institutions I'm convinced they are not the answer, but "intigrating them back in society" is clearly not either... at least in some cases...
Its not as simple or balck and white as you make out, MrX!
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I'm not sure what the real answer is having watched some of those documentaries about the workhouses and mental institutions I'm convinced they are not the answer but "intigrating them back in society" is clearly not either... at least in some cases...
The theory was pretty good...as long as the alternative to the Victorian type institutions was properly funded. It wasn't and still isn't, which leaves many worse off. At least in the old fashioned psychiatric hospital they had a clean bed, 3 meals a day and access to medication by professionals.
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It would be nice if that were the case in days gone by, WP, but from what I can gather the environment was not quite as nice as you make it sound there! Look at whats coming to light from "childrens homes" from just 50 to 60 years ago... I suspect that the psychiatric hospitals were just as bad...
Though with todays stricter controls things should be better... in theory...
Edited by b308 on 12/06/2009 at 13:26
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but from what I can gather the environment was not quite as nice as you make it sound there!
I'm talking from a 'lesser evil' angle. It's not right to expect confused, ill people to be able to be dumped in a one room outfit at the dubious end of the landlord system..and expect them to be able to cope on State benefits. They don't.... and of course then don't take their medication which makes them worse.
I should imagine to most of us a Victorian Asylum was like a prison.
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I agree that its how its done thats crucial, the current system isn't working in some cases, the Victorian system was too cruel... perhaps the Gov should set up another quango to look again at it!
Mmm, back to motoring methinks before we get told off!
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