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Are they sold on or do they have to be crushed or stripped down?
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My understanding is that they do have to be scrapped & taken off the road, I'm not sure if they have to be crushed or wether they can be stripped for spares (the latter being preferable IMO).
Some decent cars which could have made good first cars for some young drivers will probably be lost.
J
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With pretty much anything being classed a scrappable by some manufacturer's offers that is just awful.
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I would have thought they'd be on a slow boat to China
They'll be back on our supermarket shelves next year full of water chestnuts
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Are they sold on or do they have to be crushed or stripped down?
Is that not a silly question. It's a scheme that scraps cars. They must be taken off the road. That is the point of the discount - getting older cars off the road.
I am not saying I agree but that is what happens. I suppose stripping a car into parts counts but probably won't happen often.
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There's some sheds that are barely driveable being rightly scrapped, but there have been some really superb little gems that we would have given our eye teeth to get for our kids, almost criminal really...10K Focus anyone..19K Corsa auto, 35K 318i etc.
As above the scrap yards really are busy, not all of them are vehicle dismantlers, they have to certify the vehicle destroyed within a certain fairly short time and they're not really geared up to handle up to 5 loaded transporters arriving minutes apart.
It'll be chaos around reg change i'd have thought with the expected volumes.
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Is that not a silly question. It's a scheme that scraps cars. They must be taken off the road.
Yes- our roads. For all I know they could go to needy countries.
Wasting them is a far better idea though.
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Wasting them is a far better idea though.
I didn't say you were wrong ;-) Some good cars will be scrapped. I used to have a Golf GTi 1.8T on a 99 plate. That would still be a good car but it could end up scrapped. Well not in this case it was stolen in 2000.
I think the scheme is a waste of some cars.
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I think it's up there with farming set-aside and the Millenium Dome as a waste of public money.
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I read that Mitsubishi are doing an offer on 5 year old cars, now that really really is criminal. So a perfectly good virtually new 54 reg might end up being scrapped :(.
My mate has bought a brand new Panda on the scrappage, his shed will be scrapped and it those cars which should be taken of the road, not the good ones.
Then there is cars like my dads which is on borderline grave yard status, now on 80k will need welding and suspension work for the MOT in August but the engine and gearbox are fine, it is an extremely reliable car. The point is though he could not afford a brand new car even though he would qualify. Most people that drive old bangers do so because it is all they can afford. Then you have people like me who drives an old car as I don't want to tie up all my income into a motor vehicle I can do 3k a year in.
I think the Italians and the Koreans will probably benefit most from this scheme :(.
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I hope that not too many cars that currently have little monetary value but future 'practical classic' potential don't fall victim to the "happyscrappers".
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I was wondering this as well.
One of my friends treated himself to a brand new Suzuki Swift in 1999, when I saw it last week it had 46k on the clock and not a spot of rust on it anywhere. Full history, 45mpg and immaculate inside and out. This week he's chopped it in against a brand new Swift which he will probably do less than 5k miles a year in. He was looking at second hand cars circa £6k but will end up paying out roughly the same for a brand new one instead. The dealer said they'd only give him £250 in part ex against a used car, he was put off buying new by the heavy initial depreciation on all new cars but the scrappage scheme effectively covers that for him.
Kind of grates when I have a tatty 97R Escort (owned for more than a year now) which pollutes much more and regularly leaves rusted bits of wheelarch in its wake.
Dave TD
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I think they have to be dealt with in accordance with the EU End of Life Vehicle Directive. i.e. recover/recycle as much as possible.
THe Mitsubishi 5 year offer is not eligible for the government subsidy. It is merely a marketing gimmick from a desperate company.
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for every car sold under scrappage the gov is getting 15% VAT and a £55 registration tax it probably would not otherwise have raked in.
Not sure it's a nett gain though - merely bringing forward future purchases, as I can't imagine those people having bought under scrappage will buy new again next year or the year after.
Scrappage may have given an illusion of the getting the economy going again - but like buying on credit, it merely moves the expenditure from future to present. What happens when the scrappage money runs out?
My gut feeling is that scrappage will ultimately hurt the car industry, the economy & mobility aspirations of the not-so-well-off. The fig-leaf of environmentally-friendliness it currently wears too, will be exposed soon enough as bunkum.
If all the govt. wanted to do was create a sort of momentum & dampen the current feel-bad vibe, I'm sure they've succeeded to some extent; to me though, it looks more like the sham economics of the last decade.
As an exercise in economic stimulus it will rely on the destruction of some perfectly good comsumer durables, and as such, makes about as much sense - for example - as knocking down all the old lamp-posts & putting up shiny new ones.
Edited by woodbines on 08/06/2009 at 10:35
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Scrapping any serviceable car is an environmental disgrace.
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Middle aged people are mostly taking up the scheme, people who can afford a new car and probably looked after their old one, the real bangers, the ones run by poor people will remain on the road, what a waste.
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- jonny10buds i so agree with you
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But the Fire & Rescue Services have never had it so good - at long last they get some decent cars to run around their yards before turning them into cabriolets.
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