Only McLaren and Ferrari really matter out of these breakaway teams as the others are no more significant historically than any of the new teams.
I have serious doubts that they will successfully set anything up for next year.
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> others are no more significant historically than any of the new teams.
your F1 history is severely lacking. Renault has a F1 History equally as long as Mclaren.
Not to say the Five biggest manufacturers, in fact ALL the manufacturers are in the breakaway group. Renault, Toyota, BMW, Mercedes, Fiat.
This wil be resolved when Sir Oswald Moselys son, Max, says he wont stand for re-ellection in 2010.
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>>your F1 history is severely lacking. Renault has a F1 History equally as long as Mclaren.<<
Mclaren have competed in over 600 races, Renault about 250 so id say not. Lotus have competed in nearly double the number of races that Renault have, so maybe its your F1 history that is a little lacking.
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>>your F1 history is severely lacking. Renault has a F1 History equally as long as Mclaren.<< so maybe its your F1 history that is a little lacking.
It depends on how you judge "history", Ferrari are the only original team left, but there are others that have been around on and off for a heck of a long time and are still competing:
BMW first raced in 1952
Mercedes 1954
Honda 1964
McLaren 1966
Williams 1973
Renault (only!) 1977
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1977???
IIRC Renault won the first ever 'grand prix' in (I think) 1907.
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first ever 'grand prix' in (I think) 1907.
Modern F1 Grand Prix Championship officially started in 1950, Mike, before then it was just random races put on by all and sundry rather than the organised (?) affairs we have now... but I'm sure you knew that! ;)
Perhaps we should go back to pre war days...
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But i dont see lotus currently in F1 or in the breakaway teams
Do you?
You still cant justify that only McClaren or Ferrari count.
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This wil be resolved when Sir Oswald Moselys son Max says he wont stand for re-ellection in 2010.
He should have gone a long time ago, then we would not have all this going on!!
Just read Jackie Stewarts comments on the BBC site, he made the connection between Max and Ceasar/Roman empire, but I think we can all see where he was really going but was being very careful to avoid!!
There are some great comments coming out at the moment, with everyone being very polite and professional, even Bernie in one of his interviews this morning directed the interviewer to "speak to Max", and the way he said it was with quite some anger - I would love to be qa fly on the wall at the meetings with Max and Bernie at the moment.
Overall it's the best thing to happen to F1 for a long time, I hope the teams do do it, I bet the 10 new teams who put in for F1 this season are all now making deals in the back rooms with FOTA.
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There is so I read, a prospect of a female driver for one of the new teams next year - now that would be progress. There simply isnt enough diversity in F1 and if budget capping helps some more people break through, all the better.
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The diversity went when the FIA started over regulating the teams, the racing vanished when they started to pick winners way after the race had finished, off the track rather then on the track.
The drivers are scared to make passing moves like they used to in case they later get penalised!!!
Max is way to old and out of touch, he should have got the boot a few years ago, and Bernie - well he will just back whoever he thinks will make him the most money,
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There is so I read a prospect of a female driver for one of the new teams next year - now that would be progress.
Why? Surely it doesn't matter what gender a driver is, as long as they're quick and have a brain to go with it. Are you saying that the current set up disadvantages lady drivers?
There simply isnt enough diversity in F1 and if budget capping helps some more people break through all the better.
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Again why? There's already an Indian owner, several South American drivers and a decent British driver of African heritage. Why should there be any form of racial selection... aren't they all people first?
If you go back further Fangio, Fittipaldi, even Senna, etc..they aren't your white stereotypical European are they?
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>>Why? Surely it doesn't matter what gender a driver is, as long as they're quick and have a brain to go with it. Are you saying that the current set up disadvantages lady drivers?<<
Yes, its a boys club, run by the boys, for the boys.
As for racial selection, I never once mentioned race, I was talking about diversity with regards to gender, so you can have that discussion with someone else thankyou very much.
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Yes its a boys club run by the boys for the boys.
I'd like to see the best driver sat in the seat....couldn't care less what gender they are.
If there were a queue of top notch lady drivers, sat in lower formulae, who couldn't achieve their goal becuase of a closed boys club, then i'd be inclined to agree with you. There isn't, so I don't.
It's bad enough now with someone grabbing a seat just because they have access to better sponsors, it'd be even worse if political correctness reared its ugly head and drivers were selected for other reasons.
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I reckon it could be a good thing if a rival series is set up because, lets face it, F1 is pretty dire at the moment. There is far too little scope for technical innovation and it is becoming more and more like a one-make series, the budget cap would only reinforce this. F1 should be, first and foremost, a team sport. It is supposed to be an arena where the best brains in the business come to showcase their skills and talents, an engineers playground, if you will. The drivers are there only to represent the team and help them win races. Yes, we can admire their talents too, but it should not be an exclusively driver-orientated sport. I cannot think of anything more dull. So long as a new series would rectify this imbalance then I'm all for it.
HB
Edited by Hector Brocklebank on 19/06/2009 at 20:47
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HB, I agree about the technical freedom aspect - maybe though this could be done under budget capping if the freedom was wide ranging, so that teams could save money in some aspects then go wild in others - fourwheel drive, air suspension, who knows what could be made to work - you could just pitch up in a Veyron and see how you did - a modern day Wacky Races, now that would be worth watching just so you could see what the crazies had come up with, instead of some little aero tweaks.
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Strange isn't it, as they announce that Siverstone loses the race, on the GP weekend, all this happens?
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