Bangernomics - What are the rules of engagement? - a900ss
Unfortunately I was laid off yesterday and have to give my company car back in 4 weeks time. I?m hopeful of getting another job within the next 3-4 months that will also come with a car but between now and then I need to get a cheap car for running around and going to interviews in.

I?ve never spent much cash on my own car, £750 max, and ideally I wouldn?t want to spend more than that this time. The rules I have in place are most have at least 6 months on its ticket, ideally be taxed and easy to sell on when I want to get rid of it. Reliability is really important to me, much more than the brand of car but I know beggers can;t be choosers at this end of the market. I also have a small child so I?d rather not have a mini sized car, focus/mondeo sized preferred.

So guys, I?d really like your help with some simple questions,

Where to buy? Auction, Ebay, Autotrader, local rag
What to buy? Petrol/Diesel, I?m thinking Japanese for the reliability side of things
How much? Ideally as little as possible, will go to £1k if I have to.
What difference has the recent car scappage schemes made to the prices of bangers?

I don?t mind getting my hands dirty if I need to but I?d rather not if I can help it.

Any advice offered most welcome.

Edited by a900ss on 02/06/2009 at 10:00

Bangernomics - What are the rules of engagement? - Westpig
petrol (cheaper than equivalent diesels and don't need to worry about the listed diesel concerns e.g. DMF failures). If you're not having it long the petrol usage can be suffered.

have you got a mate that's a mechanic or really good with cars that could go with you to an auction?

choose something not popular, but still good e.g. Nissan Primera

Good luck..on both fronts
Bangernomics - What are the rules of engagement? - TheOilBurner
Go for the most simple option possible. If it's a diesel, go for old tech units without common rail. Petrol preferable here as mileage not a concern anyway.

Go for low spec models with the cheapest tyres and the least number of gadgets to go wrong.

All of the places mentioned above are good places to look, the most important thing is to trust your instincts. If something smells fishy then run! Assume the worst from the off and think accordingly when checking the car out.

I wouldn't be that fussed over the make. Even Japanese cars at that price range can either be gems or a right pain.

Good luck!
Bangernomics - What are the rules of engagement? - oldnotbold
Don't get too fussed about mpg - so buy a Nissan Primera, unloved, and plenty around, but good for long journeys. Nor for nothing are they the choice of cabbies across the world.

Buy local, and so make use of all media, AT, Gumtree, local paper, newsagents, word-of-mouth etc.

Mk2 Golfs are very un-loved I see, and £350 gets you a solid, easy to fix car, though they are not known for fuel economy.

Edited by oldnotbold on 02/06/2009 at 10:55

Bangernomics - What are the rules of engagement? - Rattle
A Corsa 5 door might actually be ok, they are very roomy in the back but you might find the 1.2 8v too slow with its 45bhp.

If insurance is not an issue which I assume its not then just go for what ever is in the best condition. You will probably find larger simpler engines are better as larger engines are cheaper on the used market as they have a more limited market appeal.

The scrappage won't affect used prices apart from the fact supply might be more limited.

Have you looked at the Astra F? I've seen quite a few very smart ones around and until recently my local cab company used this until switching to G's and cheap Kias.

Edited by Rattle on 02/06/2009 at 11:01

Bangernomics - What are the rules of engagement? - a900ss
Thanks for all your advice so far guys - Insurance and MPG is not an issue at all (unless we are talking sub 20MPG!!!) but I do want a car I'll be able to sell on afterwards.

Bangernomics - What are the rules of engagement? - Rattle
That the problem you might find with a Mondeo classed car, they are harder to sell as they have a more limited market howeveri if you pay peanuts you should be able to sell it on easily for peanuts.
Bangernomics - What are the rules of engagement? - Cliff Pope
I think the choice at this end is between banger and sub-banger. You could just buy the cheapest car you can find that has a useful period of MOT, and scrap or eBay it if it fails or goes wrong. Or look for something a bit more expensive with a view to re-selling.
Bangernomics - What are the rules of engagement? - DP
£500 on the best 1.8 or 2.0 petrol Mondeo you can find (a choice of late 90's examples at this money)
£200 in the bank for incidentals.
Clutch aside, there's not much on a Mondeo that can't be fixed for buttons.

Example:

1998 FORD MONDEO 1.8i LX 5dr [AC] Hatchback (trade)

S-Reg, 87k miles, 5 Door Hatchback, Black, Petrol, Manual, MOT July 09,e/w,AC,part history,c/locking, excellent runner. part exchange clearence hence bargain. £400 ono

Edited by DP on 02/06/2009 at 11:50

Bangernomics - What are the rules of engagement? - Rattle
With 1 month MOT I can think of a lot that could go wrong which can't be fixed for buttons though :(. This is the problem in theory car hunting is easy but when it actually comes down to it becomes a lot harder.
Bangernomics - What are the rules of engagement? - DP
I agree Rattle, which is why another 20 seconds found this:

1998 FORD MONDEO 2.0i Ghia 5dr [AC] Hatchback (trade)

81,000 miles, 5 door hatchback, R reg, 12 months MOT, 6 months tax,electric windows. PAS, Alloys, White, Central Locking, Grey upholstry, Drives superb, Good condition throughout. £450.

Bangernomics - What are the rules of engagement? - Rattle
Now that is more like it but they never seem to be local to the people who actually want them. I guess it depends how far the OP is willing to travel. That Mondeo looks like a good replacement for my dads Fiesta which will need at least £250 of work doing for the MOT.
Bangernomics - What are the rules of engagement? - Lou_O
The point of the game at this level is that you're prepared to throw it away if necessary.

If you're only in for 400 quid (and 400 quid isn't a life-changing amount of money to you) then, if the worst comes to the worst, you're 400 quid down.

I've had a couple of Mondeos around that price in the past and they were excellent workhorse cars.

Bangernomics - What are the rules of engagement? - bell boy
i have seen a lot of customers in my time buy a £400 car thinking they have beat the system when in fact a week later it has terminally gone phutt
latest was yesterday,lass local bought a punto off a "private man" it was braying like a donkey when it passed me last night ,total ownership time was saturday ,i couldnt help her as i would rather scrap a car at £400 than sell it due to not being worth the effort and people thinking its got 6 months warranty on everything including the ciggie lighter and interior light switch (yes ive had cars back months later for stupid stuff like this)
Bangernomics - What are the rules of engagement? - oldnotbold
Part of the game is to seek out the unloved but reliable model. One litre hatchbacks will always have a price for the teenager market, so are out, except for Skoda. You also need cars that sold in large volumes, as spares will be cheap in most cases, and scrappies/Ebay will have most of the easy stuff.
Bangernomics - What are the rules of engagement? - loskie
I have an Octavia SLx Tdi estate 110 bhp. Registered Jan 1999 with 160000 miles. I bought it off the first owner locally in April 04 at the time it had 47000m. It is taxed till end June MOT to 27/04/10. Just had new pads/discs. Has been well used but well maintained too. Is showing signs of age. Would sell for around £750.If you think that's greedy I'm open to sensible offers. It's quite hard to value a car of this age. It is eligible for scrappage (was looking at new Volvo V50) but am thinking of buying nearly new Scout.
I am in SW Scotland
Interested?
I took these pictures on saturday when I cleaned it.
www.flickr.com/photos/38930077@N07/show/with/35784.../

Edited by loskie on 02/06/2009 at 16:17

Bangernomics - What are the rules of engagement? - craig-pd130
that car's in very good nick, Loskie. My dad's Octavia mk1 1.6 petrol (registered in 2000) has done 100,000 miles less but yours is in identically good condition.

The interior has held up remarkably well.

Edited by craig-pd130 on 02/06/2009 at 16:22

Bangernomics - What are the rules of engagement? - Cliff Pope
It also depends on how much you can do yourself. Suppose after 2 months your £400 car does pack up. If you get another identical one you will at least have a car load of spares to help keep it going. It will have decent tyres at the very least. You will have hedged your bets, and money spent on parts for the first is less likely to have been a total waste.
Bangernomics - What are the rules of engagement? - loskie
Thanks. I have worked it hard for a living but it's been pretty good. 55mpg average. Good strong engine. I stll use it for long trips(Going from Dumfries to Marlborough tomorrow then York friday before home again.) Still confident in the car but selling due to the nature of my job could require me to travel long distance at sometimes short notice. The Octavia has and is still a pretty good motor.
I keep thinking of holding onto it but never know how long it'll last and don't want to buy a replacement in a hurry.
I tend to keep my cars a long time. Last one was a 12yr old Golf I'd had for 7 years. Sold it for £600 at 180000 miles. 1.8cl petrol.
Bangernomics - What are the rules of engagement? - a900ss
Certainly sounds what I'm looking for, geography is an issue though, I live in South Gloucestershire!!

Bangernomics - What are the rules of engagement? - stunorthants26
An early 90s Corolla or Carina springs to mind. If I recall the 1.6 Carina isnt a bad car.

Its not really the make that matters or the model, its down to the individual car and its merits, as by this time, even some very reliable models can be ruined by lack of maintainance. It might be worth scouting the various car clubs message boards as they pften have some of the best kept older cars and are often realistic about their worth.
Bangernomics - What are the rules of engagement? - Hector Brocklebank
I reckon eBay is a good bet, if you are prepared to travel a bit more than 5 miles to find the perfect car. Unlike other classifides there is no need to haggle as the car only fetches what it's worth but, unlike an auction, you can have a proper look at the car and a test drive too ( before you buy, obviously). The best of both worlds, methinks.

Here is an example of what your budget would get you:

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Bangernomics - What are the rules of engagement? - Mapmaker
Nissan Almera/Primera or Mondeo or Mazda 626. Never had any of them, but they are apparently the current bangernomic cars of choice.

10 years old, 100-200k on the clock, £250-£500. The bigger the car, the cheaper it will be.

eBay is a great place to buy from, in no-reserve auctions from private sellers. Both sides do well (I recently got £620 for a 72k '99 Vectra 1.8LS, which pleased me greatly, and was a good deal for the buyer) Glass's valued it at £350, I'd been offered £100 as trade-in earlier in the year.

If you want something a bit more classy, head towards a slightly older Audi A6/Mercedes W124 with a similar budget. If £400 really isn't a life-changing amount of money, that's what I'd do. BEWARE: you can end up driving a much better car than you would normally. Driving cheap old barges can become very addictive.

12 months' MOT is - to my mind - crucial, as is (if you need it to be reliable) a recent cambelt. A recovery service is essential too.

And as somebody else said, if you buy a common car, at least if it dies, you'll have a load of spares. Even if it's just tyres, pads & discs (waits for flaming about danger of using second hand friction material).

Just remember, £2,000 buys you no better car than does £1,000 - nor £500. It just increases the level of your exposure.


(My latest banger is a £3,750 55-reg Legacy; I have broken all the rules. Equally, every time I look at it, it has acquired another scratch.)
Bangernomics - What are the rules of engagement? - Lucky 7

I'd second the Mondeo recommendation - I had a T reg one with 155k, purchased for £320 with 6 months tax & 9m MOT last August. Didn't miss a beat apart from a new battery and grumpy central locking. Ended up swapping it for an F reg W124 Merc, which has of course needed a little more looking after - still so cheap to fix though! Will cost me less than the price of a dealer service to fix the electric windows, replace a c/l actuator and have an indy mechanic sort the viscous cooling fan. Gets so many approving comments too - not bad for £350!

Primeras and 90s Toyotas sound like a good bet - a mate has had ultimate reliability out of his 160k L reg Celica. If you're not worried about economy then a Lexus LS400 should be a consideration too - it will cost you dearly if something does go, but this may never happen if you're only keeping it a year or two! Have read reports of them going for 140k needing nothing more than new bulbs...

An ultimate cheapskate bet could be a Cavalier - almost worthless now, but strong & hardy and incredibly cheap to repair. You still see G & H reg ones trundling about all the time - I had an N reg one for a couple of years that just went on and on. I think I spent £150 in total on it, and that included a new alternator & a service. They'd sorted the rust out by then too. You'll get a decent one for £250. The Vectra that replaced it, however... I wouldn't.







Bangernomics - What are the rules of engagement? - Lucky 7
P.S. Mapmaker - I've been looking at legacys recently, under 4k is very good for a 55 reg! Eye watering mileage?
Bangernomics - What are the rules of engagement? - Mapmaker
>>P.S. Mapmaker - I've been looking at legacys recently, under 4k is very good for a 55 reg! Eye watering mileage?

No. Barely run in.

Only 104k. FSSH, absolutely immaculate inside, very tidy outside, every single possible extra, and less than 3 years old when I bought it! Bargain of the century, sorry if I'm a bit smug about it...
Bangernomics - What are the rules of engagement? - apm
I have a fondness for old volvos. If space isn't an issue, have a look at 940/960 or 850 saloons. Tons of car for very little cash. Renowned for starship mileages. More generally, I reckon old japanese can be worth a look, as you can find great examples for peanuts. My MiL runs an X plate accord 2.0S, immaculate, but only worth about £850 if she sold it. On that basis, she's hanging on!

At this price range, though, if you're not fussed, condition is the most important criterion, along with ideally a year's MOT. Tax is a bonus/ bargaining point. I'd look at AT and fleabay, see what's about and see what you like the look of. I'm a great believer in instinct- if it feels right, it probably is.

HTH,

Alex.
Bangernomics - What are the rules of engagement? - legacylad
I bought my Mazda 626 18months ago, intending to keep it for only 6 months. Incredibly boring to drive (unlike my earlier Elise, 205Gti etc etc) but incredibly reliable with climate, sunroof, leather. Recently offered to future D in L but retracted when I could not find a good Seat Leon 20VT within my price range. Very unloved. Very underestimated. Last tankful from my 2.0 petrol returned 38mpg...not mimsing either!
Bangernomics - What are the rules of engagement? - Pugugly
Hope you get back to work soon by the way.
Bangernomics - What are the rules of engagement? - TimOrridge
Just to add to LL experiences. Bought an R reg 626 two months ago to replace an (also good) Audi 80. £1000 pounds with 81000 on clock. Sorted slight misfire with new leads (£35). Excellent car all round, although not boring to drive for me, better than previous cars handling wise, has a bit of poke from 2 litres too. Fully kitted up and not one thing not working, says a lot of Japanese cars really. I also have averaged not less than 35mpg to 38mpg according to brim to brim. Avoid prestige for bangernomics and go for mainstream.
Bangernomics - What are the rules of engagement? - Dave^^
Thinking laterally, one possible place to look would be any dealers specializing in motability vehicles.

Why? They may have normal vehicles for sale which they've taken in p/x which would more than likely have been driven by older people, lower mileage than average, and hopefully well looked after as well.

I recently joined the Mazda club (hi to Legacylad and Tim above) picked up an R reg Mazda 626 2 litre petrol auto, 66k for £825 which I've been very pleased with so far. Only drawback is disappointing mpg: 26 around town, low 30s motorway, but then it is an auto.

Good luck with your search, I know what it's like to be staring at auto ads looking for a bargain. Hope you find a job soon as well :)
Bangernomics - What are the rules of engagement? - a900ss
I've seen quite a few good looking Saab 900's (the 93-98) model with full MOT's on them in my price bracket.

As I said, Insurance isn't a problem for me so anybody have a view on these cars. Older Saabs have a reputation for being well buit but I'm not totally sure if the reputation is warranted.

Thanks
Bangernomics - What are the rules of engagement? - Mapmaker
>>if the reputation is warranted

It doesn't really matter. If it has 12 months' MOT, then the chances are, it's 12 months' transport. So about £30 a month if you're paying £400 (which should be plenty).

If you've found a nice car; it's a car that stirs you heart; it's cheap... then what more can you ask?