Bradford top of league for motring fraud-Read Only - Falkirk Bairn
BBC reports

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/8069831...m

Why Bradford? any insights!

Edited by Pugugly on 28/05/2009 at 00:20

Bradford top of league for motring fraud - Armitage Shanks {p}
Any post which suggested that it might be something to do with the ethnic mix of the population would be highly improper so I, for one, will not make one.
Bradford top of league for motring fraud - Mr X
I won't make the connection either.
Bradford top of league for motring fraud - bell boy
i definately couldnt comment on why I KNOW that bradford may well top the insurance fraud top 5
Bradford top of league for motring fraud - jbif
Presumably none of you will name the culprit(s) because of the fear put in you by that Albert aka Eda bloke that Gordon Brown calls "Al K Eda" who gets his funding from that town?

Bradford top of league for motring fraud - Rattle
Bellboy don't worry the police don't read this site. Tell us all :)
Bradford top of league for motring fraud - L'escargot
Somewhere has to be top. At the moment it's Bradford. Yorkshire folk are well known for being tight. In fact some of them brag about it themselves.

Edited by L'escargot on 27/05/2009 at 17:37

Bradford top of league for motring fraud - Rattle
One person who did make that connection who is a very good friend of mine happens be Asian and has told me what a lot of her family get upto, who hapen to live in Bradford but I shall be open minded :). I do think it does influence though. I think the biggest difference is Bradford on the whole has quite a poor Asian community and perhaps poorer people are more likely to comit fraud?

I am happy to report that my Asian friend and her family would not dream of commiting any type of motor fraud however.

There is just simply a clear link between income levels and crime and Bradford is still a fairly poor city on the whole. Just like if I drove through the rougher parts of Salford and had a bump I would expect them to be 20% chance that the other driver has no insurance.

Bradford top of league for motring fraud - Hamsafar
Being careful not to cross the red line. It's one of the 'crime's of choice' of a certain community whose numbers in Bradford are huge.
archive.gulfnews.com/world/United_Kingdom/10302724...l
Also shows how DVLA are complicit in fraud when they happily sell your details to any old Kamel, Mohssin and Hamza.

Edited by Hamsafar on 27/05/2009 at 18:43

Bradford top of league for motring fraud - oilrag
Quote (with `White` substituted for `Asian`)

"One person who did make that connection who is a very good friend of mine happens be WHITE and has told me what a lot of her family get upto, who hapen to live in Bradford but I shall be open minded :). I do think it does influence though. I think the biggest difference is Bradford on the whole has quite a poor WHITE community and perhaps poorer people are more likely to comit fraud?
I am happy to report that my WHITE friend and her family would not dream of commiting any type of motor fraud however."

(end quote)

Inserted capitals are mine - It sounds disturbing when you reverse `Asian` with `White` perhaps - maybe like it does in the original format if you happen to be Asian.

No disrespect to you though Rattle - as I`ve never seen you come up with deliberate subliminally racist stuff. More like you didn`t think it through.

Regards
Bradford top of league for motring fraud - gmac
Bradford is mentioned as top but it appears to be a growth industry in the whole of West Yorkshire.

"the Ministry of Justice broke up a criminal gang in Keighley which was committing fraud on an industrial scale...Halifax, Huddersfield and Leeds were also in the list of 20 hotspots."
Bradford top of league for motring fraud - Rattle
It was a reply to other posts which have seen to be deleted and I did sort of make that point by mentionining Salford which is a mostly white area. I don't know about the exact stats as the last census was back in 2001 but I think you will find it still is a mostly Asian city.

It is not the fact they are Asian they are commiting fraud it is simply because when you have large groups of ehtnic minorities the area tends to be poorer (although this demographic is happily changing).

I was actually tying to stick up for the Asians but it is very hard to do on the internet without it sounding wrong and racist.
Bradford top of league for motring fraud - legacylad
I was born and bred in Manningham, Bradford. I have gradually moved NW for the past 35 years, as have all my Bradfordian friends. I still visit the Imax and Pictureville cinemas...highly rated by Lord Puttnam and rightly so. Almost always on the train from Bingley, after a few first hand experiences of car crime.
It was a wonderful city in my schooldays.
Not quite so nice now.

Bradford top of league for motring fraud - Rattle
Yeah one of my friends (white) went to university there breifly but left because the high amounts of crime. He went to Salford instead and strangely found it a lot more crime free. This shocked me as my experience of Salford is that it was quite rough (although again this has improved a lot lately). Still his car has been broken into three times in the last year and he drives a 16 year old Nissan Micra 1.0 :(.

Of course there are still many decent hard working people in Braford but it only takes a few Rufians to make the place seem like a gheto. I often get annoyed when people go on about crime levels in Moss Side for example as I know from experience its over hyped.

The problem with this thread is we either have a sensible discussion about the demographics of Bradford and questioning why it might be or close it as the thread may well turn political.
Bradford top of league for motring fraud - FocusDriver
Rattle, I think the tacit accusation of racism on your part is COMPLETELY unjustified. It is a simple fact that crime is disproportionately higher in Bradford than comparable cities and it would not be entirely unwise to draw one or two conclusions from that, in view of the proportion of resident foreign nationals who reside in the nick.

If anyone thinks I'm a racist, then do let me know.and I'll turn myself in.
Bradford top of league for motring fraud - barney100
Totally agree, Bradford was a great place when I was a youth in the 50's, Manningham Park was a great place for a day out. was once a leading light in looking after workers at Saltaire.
Bradford top of league for motring fraud - Pugugly
Sorry as a result of surgery most of the thread went along with the contexts of some of the replies. The reason for the chopping was a particular type of posting which whilst not necessarily racist was written in such a "clever" way that there was only one conclusion to draw. One post was deleted following a complaint. Carry on discussing by all means but unless you can support certain views with evidence don't post them or they'll go.
Bradford top of league for motring fraud - jbif
One post was deleted following a complaint. >>

Was it mine referring to Al, Kay and Ida?
Carry on discussing by all means but unless you can support certain views with evidence don't post them or they'll go. >>


The Police frequently link fraud, drugs, and money laundering with terrorism. Is the following any good to support these theories?
www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/3957883.Car_fr.../
www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/front/speci...l
www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/news/3208547._We_ll.../
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6917288.stm
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4762313.stm

Edited by jbif on 27/05/2009 at 21:21

Bradford top of league for motring fraud - FocusDriver
Why Bradford? any insights!

None whatsoever Falkirk. My opinion (based on 10 years on Guardian and BBC articles) has been deemed unacceptable so I cannot give it.

If anyone has the "correct" view, then I'm sure they'll provide it.

Debate eh!
Bradford top of league for motring fraud - FocusDriver
Any insights?

Nope, none. It's a complete mystery, though even the BBC and the Guardian will provide an answer if you search.
Bradford top of league for motring fraud - Rattle
To simplify what I was saying before is that Braford has a mixed and diverse community but a lot of it is quite poor. I think you will find it is also one of the top areas for low income levels in the UK too. In areas with low income fruad is always higher for obvious reasons.
Bradford top of league for motring fraud - Robin Reliant
In areas with low income fruad is always higher for obvious reasons.

Like The House of Commons, you mean?
Bradford top of league for motring fraud - nortones2
I think that for fraud in general, its London at the top of the list. The rich live cheek to jowl with the poor. I'm not saying its the poor who are the only crooks though.....

Edited by nortones2 on 27/05/2009 at 21:02

Bradford top of league for motring fraud - Mr X
Heres a case featuring a Bradford resident.

tinyurl.com/oqwtwl
Bradford top of league for motring fraud - daveyjp
If you read the actual press release it also points out that police involvement is key to this scheme and there are some areas where the police don't engage with the insurance fraud team. These areas could be much higher, but the incidents aren't yet investigated.

In reality you can only get to the top of the list if the crimes are investigated properly and fraud crime takes years to get enough evidence to bring a case to Court.

There's no indication of the measure of how you get to the top of the list, but the case highlighted by Mr X will have contributed to Bradford being top.

I say well done West Yorkshire Police for persevering (and Mr X I bet CCTV and ANPR will have formed some of the evidence :-)).

Edited by daveyjp on 27/05/2009 at 21:43

Bradford top of league for motring fraud - Tina Beans

Such situations are not that easy to engineer, so to assist in a successful outcome it would help if you could have:

A relative in the motor trade, to supply a sacrificial car with a document of MOT
A relative whos an insurance broker, to provide a document of insurance, and deal with the proceedings
A relative whos a solicitor, to deal with any legal obstructions
A relative whos a doctor, to certify cases of whiplash injury
A relative whos a pedestrian with good timing, to (almost) step out in front of the sacrificial car at just the right moment, justifying a sudden stop in an unexpected location
6 relatives who can fit in a K reg corolla and incur whiplash
27 relatives living on the road in question who just happen to look out of their lounge window and witness the incident.


Bradford top of league for motring fraud - gmac
^^^^Thinking the mods have gone for a pint or are watching the football.
Bradford top of league for motring fraud - Pugugly
Thread re-instated as a Read Only thread following consultation with HJ. The thread has been locked for obvious reasons. Draw your own conclusions about the various postings and those that have written them.