A uk company has launched an electric C1 but its £16800 ! They reckon its good for 60 mph & 60-70 miles on a charge. A charge in a 13 amp houshold plug estimated at approx .90p per charge.
So if you could manage 60 miles a day for 266 working days in the year for 5 years it would cost approx £1197 in Electric!
A petrol one would cost £5425 in unleaded over 5 years doing the same journey, so you would save £4225.00 in 5 years but the car costs £10550.00 more to buy! & you end up with a car that has limited travel. So will electric ever become an atractive proposition ? I wonder how much it will cost in repairs or cells when they fail as the vehicle gets older.
Now it will save £35 per year road tax so its another £175 saving & it would save over 6K congestion charges if you were in central London & some parking charges may be free if its electric so it almost balances with the cost so has the cost been set to the savings it makes ? funny that! & as for the emissions well they come from the power station instead!
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I'm sorry, but every manufacturer making these so-called electric cars, along with the government ministers that try to promote them, are blithering idiots.
Has no one brought up the issue that the national grid is running at near capacity, and that it will not cope with electric cars? Have they factored in the massive increase in power for their future energy generation plans? No.
The only workable solution is a small, very efficient, diesel engine driving a generator and a set of lithium ion batteries. The engine needs only to provide enough power to cruise at 80 for long periods (so 60-70hp), can run at its most efficient speed, and with 4 AC induction motors on the driving wheels it'll go like stink but kick out a minority of carp in slow/urban traffic.
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Has no one brought up the issue that the national grid is running at near capacity and that it will not cope with electric cars? Have they factored in the massive increase in power for their future energy generation plans? No.
Also... how do you produce mains electricity?
by burning carbon, or nuke..... not very green or safe......
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Has no one brought up the issue that the national grid is running at near capacity, and that it will not cope with electric cars? Have they factored in the massive increase in power for their future energy generation plans? No
Depends. Meet be running at capacity in the peaks, but overnight there's lots of spare electricity. More electricity demand off-peak makes the economics for nuclear (which has minimal CO2 emissions) much better.
Edited by LondonBus on 09/05/2009 at 20:23
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More electricity demand off-peak makes the economics for nuclear (which has minimal CO2 emissions) much better.
still got to get rid of the waste product though..... and increased use of nuclear = more waste product...........
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'Has no one brought up the issue that the national grid is running at near capacity, and that it will not cope with electric cars?"
I did on a previous topic about electric cars and got shouted down on the basis that the statement re generating capacity being already stretched , was rubbish. Apparently, we're all going to recharge at night when everybody is in bed and no one is using the leccy for anything else.
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"new C1 electric car HOW MUCH!!"
How much were the first petrol engined cars?
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I'm sorry but every manufacturer making these so-called electric cars along with the government ministers that try to promote them are blithering idiots. Has no one brought up the issue that the national grid is running at near capacity and that it will not cope with electric cars? Have they factored in the massive increase in power for their future energy generation plans? No.
This has been looked at by a consortium led by Ricardo and E.ON. They claim the impact may not be as great as people fear.
Summary: Ricardo has announced the results of simulation studies carried out by a consortium including Ricardo UK Ltd, Jaguar-Land Rover, E.ON and Amberjac Projects. The research shows that a substantial medium-term rise in the number of electric and plug-in hybrid vehicles would have a much lower impact on the UK national power grid than has previously been estimated.
Source: Just-auto
Also, suspect electric cars might be behind the recent proposal to drop all A road speed limits from 60 to 50. Extend battery life/range making the cars more usable for commuting. Not everyone lives in the SE and commutes 100 miles each way every day.
Edited by gmac on 09/05/2009 at 21:01
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We've been over this subject before, and it will not be a problem for the National Grid, suppliers are already starting to offer tariffs with small discounts for evening and weekend use, Economy 7 would provide an even bigger saving for proper night rate use meaning that only desperate individuals would charge during the day.
The power demand drops dramatically from 6pm (ish) onwards when industry switches it's lights off. Our office for example uses approx 3 - 4 KWh per second, once we shut up for the evening that's enough of a drop in consumption to run a medium sized housing estate.
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...and guess how the loss of 22 billions in fuel duty and 5 billions in car tax will be recouped - road pricing anybody?
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Either that or an increase in VAT on electricity :-)
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No doubt farmers and other special groups will be allowed red electricity.
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I wonder what the conversion company does with all those lovely little three-cylinder 1 litre 68bhp petrol engines, or do they buy the cars less engines from Citroen?
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