Bring back James Allen.
I thought he was great. And Tony Jardine. And Damon Hill would be good too.
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I thought Legard froze at the start and struggled to find his feet from then on.
At least no one's mentioned Murray.
"James Hunt is right and I am wrong."
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The reason that I am knocking Branson is because he didn't want to get into F1 until he saw how well the Brawn car went in practice. If Button and Rubens were at the back of the field he would have been nowhere near Australia.
Quite frankly the way he gets his fizog on the media whenever he can makes me sick. I wonder how much his companies are worth if they were all sold at the same time?
I wonder how much tax he pays in this country, or are his companies registered off shore? Does anyone know?
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F1 until he saw how well the Brawn car went in practice.
That's business. Would you put a bet on a horse without even seeing it or knowing what it was capable of?
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The reason that I am knocking Branson is because he didn't want to get into F1 until he saw how well the Brawn car went in practice. >>
So what? More power to his elbow, I say. [And well said, mfarrow, too.] As long as Branson is legal in his dealings, it is not for me to worry how/where he pays taxes.
Typical British stance - find any excuse to knock the people who do well for themselves and for their employees. Politics of envy, it is called, I think.
Branson got involved in the way he did because he is running a business, and not a charity. The money he is putting in is buying him publicity that would cost at least an order of magnitude more. He is smart at his game, and if other people/businesses are not up to it, that is their fault/loss.
Nothing to stop quizman, and his ilk, try to emulate or beat Branson at his game, is there [except the colour of your money!]
Edited by jbif on 29/03/2009 at 21:19
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I'm with the Branson knocking. I was sick of his smug grin during the programme. Remember this is the man who the other week decided not to sponsor Brawn GP as they weren't "green" enough. This is from a man who runs transatlantic airliners for living!! The man is a hypocrite of the highest order.
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Most people are pretty hypocritical, infact Im sure most of the major sponsers are, but because they are generally faceless, you have nobody to attack. Branson just happens to be a showoff so people know who he is.
In the end though, this is the guy who has given Brawn a financial shot in the arm and I would far rather see British Branson aiding a British driver/team wipe those smug smiles off a great many Italian faces for once. Its worth the Branson grin any day of the week.
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as they weren't "green" enough. This is from a man who runs transatlantic airliners for living!!
the spoiled child who paints anti BA slogans on his aircraft because he doesent get his own way?
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jbif... Branson baiting has occured on this forum before, its best to ignore it, I just put it down to jealousy ;)
Going back to the TV coverage... did anyone else watch the "highlights" at 7pm last night? I found it the most disjointed and rubbish programme I've ever seen, if this is the best the BBC can do then please bring back ITV, at least they were co-ordinated and had decent commentry.
Reading the reports from people who had watched it live I was expecting something really good but I was so disappointed!
Edited by b308 on 30/03/2009 at 09:54
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the highlights was pretty pants and skipped large parts fo the race and most of the overtaking done by Hamilton et al.
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Was it my imagination, or was Martin Brundle taking on a more real-time commentary role than previously (with ITV) - maybe in response to Legard's slightly flustered style?
Miles better coverage overall than ITV's though. ITV & live sport don't really mix in my view - they're always battling the up-coming advert break - either when the action's live or during half-times, start procedures etc. It really highlights how much the ad breaks broke-up & diminished the overall buzz & excitement during their tenure.
I'd be surprised if Brawn/Virgin will enjoy their dominance for long - early bird syndrome at work there: expect Ferrari/McLaren to come storming out from 2 or 3 races down the line.
Big Rispekk to LH on coming through to 3rd (with the stewards' 'help' this time!) from his lowly 18th grid position - a number, I imagine, he only ever saw on birthday party invites before. I thought he might have suffered from the Rooney-red-mist-when-it-ain't-going-right
syndrome (we have seem him be a bit impetuous before), but he showed a composed determination that lifted him several notches, in my view - I'd wager he'll do the F1 WDC
again this year.
Button showed his true mettle: how easy it would have been to throw away the opportunity when unexpectedly given the chance to shine. Open goals are often the most difficult to score from.
Can't wait for the next installment!
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Big Rispekk to LH on coming through to 3rd (with the stewards' 'help' this time!) from his lowly 18th grid position - a number I imagine he only ever saw on birthday party invites before. I thought he might have suffered from the Rooney-red-mist-when-it-ain't-going-right syndrome (we have seem him be a bit impetuous before) but he showed a composed determination that lifted him several notches in my view - I'd wager he'll do the F1 WDC again this year.
Seconded. I think it spoke volumes that he drove his backside off despite knowing he wasn't in the most competitive car, and he got a podium out of it. Compares rather well to Button who, prior to this season, did nothing but whinge and moan about his car, let his (vastly cheaper) team mate out-drive him and skulk around at the back, stopping only to whinge even more to the press.
I'm really pleased for Brawn, and I have to respect JB's undoubted skill behind the wheel (winning races at this level is no mean feat whatever you're driving), but the last two years showed serious shortcomings in his attitude and sportsmanship, in my opinion, and I don't think one race win cancels that out. While Barrichello got his head down, made the best of it, and out-qualified and raced Button, Button moaned pretty much constantly.
I'm still cheering for Lewis.
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b308, the 1pm showing was also different to the live showing at 6am. Looks like they chopped out most of the pre race build up and just showed the race itself. Not sure if they showed Brundles grid walk or not at the 1pm showing. I only watched the repeat showing for the first few mins and the last few mins for any updates on the earlier race.
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Good for Button and Brawn, but the outstanding achievement was indeed Lewis Hamilton's progression from tail-end Charlie to a richly deserved six points. I'm reminded of an epic drive decades ago by Stirling Moss in a very inferior car.
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.... but the outstanding achievement was indeed Lewis Hamilton's progression from
tail-end Charlie to a richly deserved six points.I'm reminded of an epic drive decades ago by Stirling Moss in a very inferior car.
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Do not get too carried away. How many cars in front of LH got bent and went to the pits? How many others parked along the way? How many cars did LH overtake for position?
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Do not get too carried away. How many cars in front of LH got bent and went to the pits? How many others parked along the way? How many cars did LH overtake for position?
Exactly. the fact he was scrabbling around in the cheap seats with the street fighters and DIDNT end up with a bloody nose speaks volumes for how well he did. He over took about 7 cars and the rest fell out. Thats good driving in anyones book.
Edited by Webmaster on 01/04/2009 at 02:21
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re. BBC coverage, commentary, edited highlights, etc.
I think it will take a few races before the new team of presenters and editors get thing together and improve the viewing experience. It is acceptable at the moment, but there is a lot of room for improvement and I feel certain that they will learn and improve. [For starters, simple visual things like the fact that the three presenters need to sit down - as they did post-race - to avoid the odd spectacle of a short Eddie Jordan standing next to someone who looks 7 feet tall next to him.
Big Rispekk to LH on coming through to 3rd (with the stewards' 'help' this time!) ... >>
Yes, well done Lewis.
I think the reason Trulli passed Lewis under the Safety Car rules was possible because Lewis allowed him to do so, Lewis fearing that if he did not, he might get penalised by the stewards [remembering the Raikonnen incident from last year]. I base this supposition on the following quotes by Trulli and Norbert Haug:
Jarno Trulli: Lewis Hamilton passed me but soon after he suddenly slowed down and pulled over to the side of the road. I thought he had a problem so I overtook him as there was nothing else I could do.
Norbert Haug: "During the second Safety Car period, Trulli had an off and Lewis overtook him for third place, but he let Trulli past again. But the stewards' decision after the race gave him back third place."
Also note that Lewis may yet lose the 3rd place:
"Race stewards subsequently handed Jarno a 25s penalty for overtaking under safety car conditions, but the team has filed an appeal within the proscribed time period."
Tadashi Yamashina - Toyota Team Principal: This is an extremely frustrating way to finish a challenging weekend. .... It's sad that this result has been questioned but we have filed an appeal to give us more time to study the data and the situation.
Edited by jbif on 30/03/2009 at 12:15
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If what you said is true, ie Trulli went off of his own volition, then I suspect that the result will stand... its his fault for not keeping it on the track... after all if you pit under the safety car you don't get back out in the same place you left the track in! Sounds like Lewis was just playing safe letting him back through...
Re the highlights... one suggestion I'd have would be for them to get rid of the 5 minute "introduction" (that one with all the "graphics", etc) we had before the programme proper started, I thought it was never going to end!
I wouldn't mind 5 or so minutes of discussion at the end with highlights of what went right and wrong - like they do after the football highlights.
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>Branson baiting has occured on this forum before, its best to ignore it, I just put it down to jealousy ;)
I would say its more like the ability not to be conned.
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I'll stick with jealousy, thanks, AE!
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I'll stick with jealousy thanks AE!
Can I sell you a bridge then?
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From London, but without the towers?
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From London but without the towers?
Damn you bought one already.
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jbif, let me make it clear I am not jealous of Branson.
I am not jealous of anyone who does well and makes plenty of money, good luck to them. I have not got the politics of envy.
However I cannot stand phonies, Branson just jumps on every passing bandwagon. Do you remember him "trying" to buy Concorde? Was he going to buy Rover?
We had Captain Bob Maxwell at Derby County, he promised the earth but of course he had not got as much money as he liked people to think. Look what happened to his companies.
Branson is very good at attracting publicity, look at him poring all over those young girls. If I did that I would be called a dirty old man, we are similar ages.
Any way I enjoyed the race, well done Jenson and Lewis.
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Comparing Maxwell with Branson... mmm, I don't think thats a fair comparison at all, unless you can show us all the illegal things B's done...
But we are getting off the subject, I'm sure there are plenty of non-motoring forums where people can discuss the legaility or otherwise of Branson's exploits... but on here surely isn't one of them, unless his sponsorship of Brawn's team is illegal?
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What you are saying sounds very much like envy to me?
Branson and people like him, take risks, some loose everything.
Like he said hes a lucky b.
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>> Like he said hes a lucky b.
'... more by good luck than good management...'?
Me don't tink so...
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Apparantly McLaren have been caught telling fibs again. Lewis stripped of third place. No doubt the McLaren hard done to brigade will come out in force but they have always come down hard on being lied to. Official statement....
A statement issued by the stewards said: "The Stewards having considered the new elements presented to them from the 2009 Australian Formula One Grand Prix, consider that driver No 1 Lewis Hamilton and the competitor Vodafone McLaren Mercedes acted in a manner prejudicial to the conduct of the event by providing evidence deliberately misleading to the Stewards at the hearing on Sunday 29th March 2009, a breach of Article 151c of the International Sporting Code.
"Under Article 158 of the International Sporting Code the driver No 1 Lewis Hamilton and the competitor Vodafone McLaren Mercedes are excluded from the race classification for the 2009 Australian Grand Prix and the classification is amended accordingly."
Further to the Hamilton decision, the race stewards have scrapped the penalty against Trulli and he has now been awarded third place for the Australian Grand Prix.
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PR:
see my post timed at Mon 30 Mar 09 11:12
Apparantly McLaren have been caught telling fibs again ... >>
Stupid, stupid, stupid of McLaren. To paraphrase Mosley from 2008, McLaren have some "thick" people in their midst.
I can see why they instructed Lewis to allow Trulli to overtake [fearing the Raikonnen/Lewis penalty from last year], but then to take the actions they did after the race to claim back the 3rd place, and be economical with the truth after the event, and ending up with Trulli facing a 10 place grid penalty - sheer madness and foolishness at best, and at worst, words I cannot use here.
Heads should roll at McLaren.
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Heads should roll at McLaren. >>
McLaren are saying that they believed the stewards had listened to the pit radio comms and stewards were fully aware of the facts prior to giving Trulli the penalty.
msn.planetf1.com/story/0,18954,3213_5133920,00.html
Note that immediately after the race, Hamilton was walking from his car to his team base, when he was interviewed by the BBC; and the first thing he said was "did you hear it all on the radio?" and the reporter said "yes".
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Yawn. If this sport were as much about on track action as off track bickering, politics and tale-telling, I would probably make a point of following it again.
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Yawn. If this sport were as much about on track action as off track bickering politics and tale-telling I would probably make a point of following it again.
You do. Yoyu watched the last race and you enjoyed it.
I think they think we get bored between races. So they conjure up suprises, controversy, alter results so you can never be sure that the race actually ended as it did.
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I watched the highlights and enjoyed it, particularly the result. I still watch races if I'm in and they're on, but a few years ago I fitted my social calendar (and sleep patterns for the away races) around F1. Not any more.
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Atleast we have started the season with some more stewards intervention, otherwise, you might start to think this year would be different.
Just wait for the diffuser row to come to its conclusion - if I was Button, I wouldnt consider any win valid until its been sorted - its just wishful thinking.
Hamilton is used to this by now, the boy just doesnt seem to be able to stay out of the stewards way. He has won the championship now though, so he can treat it as a hobby rather than a job.
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It's remarkable how they pick on Hamilton. Barachello drove as if he were in a dodgem car, hitting at least 2 cars and escaped punishment. If it had been the number one car I wonder what would have happened. I think Hamilton drove brilliantly from the back of the field to third place.
From what I hear Alonso will win the race after the court case, I understand that the VIRGIN Brawn and Toyotas are going to be made illegal.
What a farce!!!
Edited by Honestjohn on 02/04/2009 at 21:15
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Having read all that is available on the Hamilton subject I CAN see why the stewards have penalised him - its a matter of both he and the team not having answered one question honestly, when there are team communications recorded to the contrary.
I actually think Hamilton should keep his head down and hope this will be the end of it.
Its a shame, but the boy needs to learn - he is so much like Schumacher as far as bending and breaking of rules - can you imagine Schui racing under todays conditions?
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Latest fall out from the LH situation
"Sporting director Dave Ryan has been suspended after 35 years with McLaren."
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/79...m
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"Sporting director Dave Ryan has been suspended after 35 years with McLaren."
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Since when has F1 had anything to do with sport? Its a buisiness just like football.
Edited by Old Navy on 03/04/2009 at 12:27
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Since when has F1 had anything to do with sport? Its a buisiness just like football.
I was thinking more along the lines of a soap opera, but fair comment.
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Its a buisiness just like football. >>
If football was anything like F1, Maradona's "hand-of-god" would have been punished heavily, Argentina and Maradona fined/banned, and the result awarded to England.
Similar incidents, clearly caught by the TV cameras, go unpunished every week.
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Sporting director Dave Ryan has been suspended .. >>
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/79...m
That original BBC story [story now replaced by Hamilton apology] also said:
"Whitmarsh also suggested further action could be taken, and did not rule out resigning himself over the matter.
When asked if he had considered stepping down, Whitmarsh said: "I think there are a lot of things going through my mind today as you can imagine, and it has happened during an event where we are trying to do the best job we can.
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He added: "I don't rule anything in or out. .. "
So, heads roll at McLaren, as I thought they should.
Edited by jbif on 03/04/2009 at 12:55
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I fear I may have missed something.
What was said and by whom that was deliberately misleading or untrue?
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I fear I may have missed something. What was said and by whom that was deliberately misleading or untrue? >>
drbe: If you are asking the question as a serious question, then for the full story go to
Hamilton's Apology : www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74202
and then on the right of that page are all the "related stories" links [in reverse chronological order] for the story as it unfolded, blow by blow, from Australia.
Edited by jbif on 03/04/2009 at 13:29
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I have often thought that British sports people are often too "sporting". The truth is real winners tend to stretch the rules to the limit (Schumacher won the odd world championship under questionable conditions and Senna could be fairly hard nosed about what exactly was fair) and perhaps Hamilton is showing a winning attitude. Will we all point out that he has not always been sporting if he wins the world championship again?
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I think the problem is that Hamilton seems to attract too much trouble. Button could possibly win the championship this year, but if he doesnt attract the penalties, it will reflect badly on Lewis who seems to have a knack for it.
I did actually listen to the radio transmission and he is quite insistant about doing the right thing on the track, but clearly he then messed up off the track by telling the smallest of fibs.
For those who havent read it all, it would appear that what he told the stewards didnt match what he was saying on the radio during the incident with Trulli, same for the team. Quite honestly, I cant see why they got it wrong nor what the point was.
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and perhaps Hamilton is showing a winning attitude >>
I think the transcript of Hamilton to McLaren pit-wall radio comms shows otherwise, i.e. Hamilton is now too cautious and worried about what happens or might happen after the event witht he rulebook:
www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/74159
Hamilton was keen to play the game exactly by the rules, as he was mindful of the penalties imposed on him and McLaren in previous years.
He repeatedly asked whether the team had checked the rules with Charlie Whiting, and if he was allowed to overtake Trulli, and what he should do next.
Edited by jbif on 03/04/2009 at 13:39
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Sounded to me more like someone who was sorry for getting caught, rather than for what they had done.
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Oh dear oh dear oh dear.
Not good. Yuck.
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sorry for getting caught, rather than for what they had done >> Oh dear oh dear oh dear. Not good. Yuck. >>
The tape of Hamilton-McLaren pitwall comms is on the FIA website, link is within this press release.
www.fia.com/en-GB/mediacentre/pressreleases/f1rele...x
Worth listening to as it conveys a better understanding of the situation than the transcript.
The Trulli-Toyota pit-wall comms was interesting too. Shame that it has been forced off youtube by FIA, and no FIA clip has been posted to replace it. If you can find it, it is also worth listening to, as it shows Trulli apparently telling his team that Lewis has passed him illegally under waved yellows [Trulli omitting to mention that Trulli had gone off the track!].
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it shows Trulli apparently telling his team that Lewis has passed him illegally under waved yellows [Trulli omitting to mention that Trulli had gone off the track!].<<
No wonder the FIA dont want that to get out, he is italian isnt he?
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I hope what jbif implies is true. That would mean McLaren were just blustering in response to a bit of creative inaccuracy from Toyota: still poor, but not nearly as sleazy as what the FIA has alleged. It would also suggest that the FIA is just as guilty of creative fumbling as the two teams concerned. Perhaps it should be penalised too.
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If Hamilton did not tell the truth he was wrong and should apologize to Trulli. Now it seems that Trulli told an untruth as well.
I think that Hamilton drove brilliantly and deserved 3rd place, he should have won at Spa last year but was robbed by the officials. If it was Raikkonen nothing would have happened. I still don't understand why Barachello was not punished for driving into 2 cars.
Hamilton says he was only obeying orders, you would think this would be accepted, especially by Max Mosley of all people.
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