Texting whilst driving - Spospe
Yet another texting driver who, "felt there were times when using a phone while driving was acceptable"

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Texting whilst driving - 1400ted
Can't imagine anybody doing this, and at 70mph too. She got what she deserved, although sentence a bit short. I have noticed in recent years, a certain arrogance in some women drivers of a certain age-span.
I find it hard enough to text sat at the kitchen table !
Ted
Texting whilst driving - motorprop
deplorable , we share the road space with these cabbages. I have to add that it is predominantly women that I spot using their phones whilst driving.
Texting whilst driving - ifithelps
...is predominantly women that I spot using their phones whilst driving...

Knowing how to please the ladies (not), I once put this to a woman who was speaking in favour of sending the odd text while driving.

The reply was along the lines of 'women can multi-task, but men can not'.

Edited by ifithelps on 02/02/2009 at 17:21

Texting whilst driving - Andrew-T
>The reply was along the lines of 'women can multi-task, but men can not'

This one obviously couldn't - at least, not adequately.
Texting whilst driving - Waino
Regardless of the sentence, which IMHO is far too short, this muppet should have been banned from driving FOR LIFE along with all texting killers.
Texting whilst driving - tack
I read this story and words just failed me. Actually, words didn't fail me....eloquence did. I could not respond to this story, initially, without the foulest of comments directed towards the execrable, scabulous, doltish, dim witted and selfish offender.

I live in the heart of "Essex Girl" land and I see this behaviour all the time.....vacuous, pouty lipped, ugg booted, blond extentioned, vacant eyed trolls with one hand on wheel, other on phone. yak yak txt txt.

I feel sick to the pit of my stomach at this story. The girl should be locked up for life AND have her fingers removed AND be forced to listen to the Nokia ring tone at full blast for all of eternity. There can be no forgiveness for that sort of behaviour, especially bearing in mind her insensitive remarks about it being acceptable to use a phone whilst driving sometimes.
Texting whilst driving - Rattle
Probably partly due to lack of experience but I find even adjusting heater settings while driving is distracting and now will wait for the lights before doing anything other than steering and using the pedals.

I just cannot see how texting is not distracting. At least she appears to have shown some remorse although its a bit late for that.

While what she did was very wrong maybe some people are just thick and do not generaly realise how dangerious they are being? Maybe we need even more education for the general public.

I wonder how many of us here have taken their eyes of the roads for just two seconds while tuning a radio? Hopefully not many but I bet there is a few, and that is enough to cause the crash that happened in this case.
Texting whilst driving - Lud
I wonder how many of us here have taken their eyes of the roads for just two seconds while tuning a radio?


All too many of us I am sure Rattle.

Distracted by something - perhaps a burning cigarette in my lap or on the floor, something like that - once in America I started to drive my Plymouth off the road at 70 or so.

Instead of saying 'Hey, watch out!' or something of the sort my woman passenger, a Californian real-estate agent, started screaming like a train whistle. It had the desired effect but I found it intensely annoying for some reason.
Texting whilst driving - b308
>> I wonder how many of us here have taken their eyes of the roads
for just two seconds while tuning a radio?
All too many of us I am sure Rattle.


My first accident was caused by changing a cassette back in '75... never again!
Texting whilst driving - Spospe
If good can come from bad, then I can hope that the publicity from this case may deter others from following suit. Hopefully.
Texting whilst driving - stunorthants26
A pretty woman is quite distracting :-) testing her even more so
Texting whilst driving - deepwith
This seems a very short sentence, especially when you consider the four years handed down to the woman in Southampton who killed a cyclist who had jumped a red light.
Texting whilst driving - Bromptonaut
This seems a very short sentence especially when you consider the four years handed down
to the woman in Southampton who killed a cyclist who had jumped a red light.


It does seem short as both were, on the reported facts, pretty serious cases of head down texting. You will know soton better than I do but I had the strong impression from reports of that case that although the cyclist had passed a red light some time before the accident he could equally well have been in the same piece of road legitimately.
Texting whilst driving - paulb {P}
This quite appalling case reminded me of the absolute prizewinning example of inappropriate activity behind the wheel I saw a couple of years ago on the M40 somewhere near High Wycombe.

Youngish female driver in Audi A4 doing 90-odd up the fast lane, about 10 feet off the back bumper of the car in front. Phone crooked under her chin, document spread out on steering wheel, on which document she was writing something (or at least attempting to).

The car in front then braked as the traffic was starting to bunch. Lady Genius got to within a couple of feet, car in front put hazards on, she braked and damn near lost control.

I had dropped well back by this time. Have always wondered whether she actually got to wherever it was she was going.

And to think I had assumed that all suicidally daft drivers were my own gender. Lesson learned, there.
Texting whilst driving - 1400ted
Some manufacturers bug me as well, My Suzy V was fitted with a good quality aftermarket CD. Sony, I think.. The volume up an down were on the far edge of the front panel and it was a fumble in the unknown to find them, even when parked.
It now resides in a box in the workshop, it's place being taken by an old tape/radio with a good old-fashioned knob to turn. Likewise, I never touch either radio/CD or heater controls in the C3, they're all digital readouts with stupid little buttons all over the place.
It has an LCD speedo as well...great in the sun, you just can't see it.
Ted
Texting whilst driving - Boggy
>>vacuous, pouty lipped, ugg booted, blond extentioned, vacant eyed trolls with one hand on wheel, other on phone. yak yak txt txt.

Tack, I couldn't agree more. My pet hate! Sometimes wish I was a copper so I could have a field day dragging halfwits like this through every court in the land. Lifetime driving ban at least!
Texting whilst driving - ifithelps
...This seems a very short sentence especially when you consider the four years handed down to the woman in Southampton who killed a cyclist who had jumped a red light...

In the latest case, I think the car was stopped - broken down - blocking the carriageway.

The victim remained in it, against all advice to get out, even if you are on a hard shoulder.

In the cyclist's case, apart from the red light, the cyclist was moving along the nearside of the road as he/she should have been.

I'm not saying I agree, but the court in the latest case will have apportioned a little more of the blame to the victim than in the cyclist's case, hence the lower sentence.
Texting whilst driving - DP
Some of these responses are very judgmental IMHO.

I would wager that every single one of us has at least once in our driving career done something stupid, or let our attention wander occasionally. 99.99% of the time we'll have got away with it. Nobody was injured or killed, and no harm was done. 0.01% of the time, it will have gone wrong, and made the headlines.

I am not making light of the death of an innocent person, and I fully support the full weight of the law being brought to bear on this motorist, or indeed anyone who kills or seriously injures anyone as a direct result of their negligence or their doing something illegal.

On the other side though, I wonder how many of those calling for this woman to be hanged can, hand on heart, say they have driven every single mile of their motoring career giving the road ahead, and their fellow road users their undivided attention, because I can't.

If I add up the 300 or so thousand miles (with one minor non-fault RTA and a clean license) I've driven in the last decade, I've sent the odd text (not for ages, admittedly) and snuck in the odd phone call, as well as fished around for a burning fag end (when I smoked), chatted to a passenger, thought about things going on in my life at the time, etc etc. I'm sure, if I really think about it, an unfortunately positioned vehicle / pedestrian / animal at a specific time could have dramatically altered my life to date.

Cheers
DP


Texting whilst driving - Pugugly
DP - didn't you know all BRs are perfect !

The distraught mother of the little girl that was killed was on the news yesterday, I doubt very much whether she cares about the proportionality of blame for instance. My heart went put to her.
Texting whilst driving - Alanovich
The thing is, DP, I see many, many drivers using mobiles whilst driving every day. And I only usually drive 16 miles a day. The vast majority of those who do it, therefore, must be habitual offenders, who are therefore displaying a couldn't-care-less attitude to the rest of us. It can not be the case that all those people I see each day are doing it just the once, on the off chance, in the way you describe. It would be an extraordinary coincidence that they are all having their little "moment" in front of me.

This is an offence which is probably more serious than drink driving, and I wish to heaven that they could all be caught and banned. From driving AND from owning a mobile phone.

In fact, perhaps the threat of a mobile phone ban would be more of a deterrent to some of these manslaughter-in-waiting cases than a driving ban.
Texting whilst driving - tunacat
Unless the flip-top phone had had some app installed to enable it to speak-aloud incoming text messages (unlikely),
exactly HOW could this woman RECEIVE text messages "without taking my eyes off the road" ?

It's a blatant falsity.

The judge should have ordered her thumb be removed. Make a nice match for her brain.
Texting whilst driving - doctorchris
These days, driving a motor vehicle is a complex operation involving a multiplicity of human skills. In fact, for many people it is the most complex activity that they will perform.
I believe that the key to driving well and safely is total concentration on the task. This concentration will be impaired even by conversation with passengers, so that use of a mobile phone cannot be acceptable. As for texting, this involves concentration and removing vision from the road for long periods.
I will admit that even something as simple as picking up a sweet from my central console and eating it, whilst on a motorway, can lead me to deviate from a straight path when driving at 70 mph.
We need a system of driving education that emphasises this concept of total concentration. Once the test has been passed it is too late to introduce new ideas to many drivers.
I don't want to knock driving instructors but, if a lesson might involve a trip to the petrol station or a stop for fags at a shop, total concentration is not being maintained.
Texting whilst driving - SteveRob
They are still at it now, with snow on the roads - absolutely no sense.
UNBELIEVABLE!!
Texting whilst driving - Pugugly
Amazingly a bus driver passed me rabbiting on his phone as he thundered through slush/ice/snow this morning.
Texting whilst driving - ifithelps
A bus driver on the park and ride service I use was sacked for using his mobile while driving.

Not sure of the ins and outs, but the scheme is overseen by the local county council and I believe one of their grey suits got on the bus while he was doing it.

Texting whilst driving - Pugugly
Fair enough - I know the bus company and service in question. May have a word.
Texting whilst driving - Bromptonaut
Just heard on the radio that CPS have referred case to the Attorney General as being potentially unduly lenient. If Lady Scotland agrees sentence will be reviewed by the Court of Appeal.
Texting whilst driving - Waino
Whilst I do not want to pay to keep these twerps in jail any longer than I have to, I don't want to meet one on the road. Lifetime ban following the jail sentence would be fair. Any attempt to drive after the ban should be met with removal of appropriate body part.
Texting whilst driving - ifithelps
.... CPS have referred case to the Attorney General as being unduly lenient....

A death by dangerous was given five years at Newcastle Crown Court recently.

Case referred and the sentence was increased to 10 years (ouch!).

Were I the defendant in this case, I would be fearful my medium-term prospects were about to take a turn for the worst.
Texting whilst driving - davecooper
I think it is about time that sentences were set by the jury. Then people like us, who are affected by this sort of behaviour could dish out some realistic punishments.

What amazes me is why, if you have the money to buy a new BMW or Merc etc you don't have the manufacturers hands free system fitted. You can then get your normal mobile calls rerouted to the car if you wish. I suspect this is not deemed as cool as being seen with a mobile tucked beneath your chin.
Texting whilst driving - Andrew-T
>Any attempt to drive after the ban should be met with removal of appropriate body part.

I'm not clear how a serious statement on appropriate sentence can be followed by a suggestion which would require the application of Sharia law. A lengthy ban sounds good, and a proportionate jail sentence; but we aren't yet into juducial mutilation here.
Texting whilst driving - Andrew-T
>They are still at it now, with snow on the roads - absolutely no sense. UNBELIEVABLE!!

The logic goes that the snow makes a phone call even more essential - don't you see?
Texting whilst driving - stevied
Just as a point of debate, do any BRers know what is the American take on using the phone whilst driving? It appears to be legal... although I am certain texting isn't, saying that Americans aren't as text-addicted as the British. My view is that using a phone, even hand-held, is distracting but no more than changing a CD or smoking. Texting IS definitely a no-no. I am not certain having said that what my view on phone use is. I tend not to myself, but I can't find it in my heart to get that angry about people who do. I am aware these views are treasonable : ) but it's my honest opinion!

Texting whilst driving - b308
I don't agree that using a mobile phone whilst driving is no more distracting than changing a CD or smoking... those two are one-off which probably only last seconds whilst a phone call is normally a lot longer... though hands free would certainly be safer than non-h-f.

The problem with phone calls is the nature of the call... general chat could be likened to having a passenger, though the difference is that a passenger is likely to be looking ahead and say something if you were running into danger, not something someone on the end of a phone call can do! Then there's business calls... could you honestly say that you could conduct a business call and still give your undivided attention to the roads... I don't think so...

No, the sooner people realise that when you're driving thats ALL you should be doing, the better, and if it takes a few stiff jail sentances to make people realise that doing stupid things like texting or phoning on an ordinary mobile whilst driving is not acceptable, as well as being downright dangerous, then so be it...
Texting whilst driving - yorkiebar
I dont want to get into the is it acceptable or not debate (but I suppose i am going to).

Personally I dont use a phone whilst driving (guilty to looking to see who rang though).

But is the offence worse than rootling for a cd in a glovebox? Or studying the pratnav?
Or lighting a cigarette? Or not having a clear screen to look out of? Or a policeman being on his radio while driving? or countless other things that are not illegal?

Just a viewpoint !

And to add, that while I was out on way to breakdown early this morning in snowy areas (in a car not a breakdown van). I was proceeding on a nsl road at about 40/45 happily following an astra doing the same ans was amazed at the mercedes overtaking at about double the speed, cutting through the snow/ice tracks we were in and at the centre of the road, and back in again. Then at the next roundabout was nearly hit by another merc doing at least 60+ going around the roundabout, missing my rear by millimetres as I was indicating and turning into my exit.

Pratts, the pair of them, but far worse imo, than some other offences! No accident or death caused; this time. But an accident waiting to happen regardless of whether ona phone or not!

perhaps it was just merc prat day today!
Texting whilst driving - doctorchris
Discussion blocked elsewhere, but the Portuguese truck driver .. < snip >

it's blocked because it's an ongoing court case...

Edited by PoloGirl on 09/02/2009 at 22:07

Texting whilst driving - yorkiebar
i want to reply to but seriously think this thread should now be locked.

sorry doctorchris but we have to wait before we comment!