Hope this is OK to post.
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Like that 159, but the c8 would be a more likely purchase in my situation.
Links through to Piston Heads website
Edited by Pugugly on 06/01/2009 at 22:46
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wow the audi ragtops are cheap!
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Interesting that he implies that there were private buyers pushing the prices up.
I've seen the C8 issues - dpf would be a bigger concern to me.
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Hope you've read the previous posts regarding the C8 cambelt problems with the HDi
Ted
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I was there myself. The place was packed - busiest I have seen it in the last year or so. Trade and private seemed to be going mad - maybe the Christmas drink hadn't worn off, maybe the market has turned. Who knows.
One which really made me notice was a 115k mile 54-plate Bora TDI Sport. Books at 3300 clean which it certainly wasn't and sold for a bonkers 3850. Before Christmas I bought a similar car for 2700.
Another one of note: tatty Renault Laguna 1.9dci on a 54, 105k with a grand total of 1 service stamp. Books at 1800, worth 1600 at best, sold for I think 2200.
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I'm keeping my eye on BMW 520d M Sport prices. Still another 12 months to go before I consider changing (managed 2 years so far-doing very well). The Beemer seems an ideal family car and 12 grand for a 56 plate is making them look very attractive.
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BTW, there is a good photo of GTC's buyer looking very miserable in that lot.
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Hope you've read the previous posts regarding the C8 cambelt problems with the HDi
Cured with a simple drain-off tray to direct rain away from the belt and injectors - £15 or thereabouts.
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Yes indeed, BB. But they weren't recalled for that mod in this country and most owners only find out about the tray when the belt fails, the injectors are rusted in and you need a new engine at about £6000.. ( Citroen price ). All of which has happened to my daughter recently.
Ted
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It is well documented on the european c8/807/phedra/whatever the fiat one is called forums.
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Yes, I agree they should have been recalled.
When I had our cam-belt changed (against the dealers wishes, but it was 5 years old and in view of the problems I thought it best) I had to give the dealer the part number for the tray (he had never heard of it and seemed quite surprised to find I was right). I just hope the injectors haven't rusted in!
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I thought many of the prices in that, and other recent reports he's done, were astonishingly low. But I guess that's compared to the prices I'd normally see these vehicles on main dealer forecourts for, with a years warranty etc.
I always assumed that a car was in an auction because it couldn't be retailed for some reason (or had been tried and failed to sell) and buying at auction was therefore a somewhat dicey process. Is that really the case?
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Yes, it is a very dicey process. However, many of the cars on most franchised dealer forecourts come from auctions. They are basically large vehicle exchange halls.
The difference is that somebody who buys day in day out from auctions obviously know how they work and how to buy a lot better than somebody who pops in once every 4 years.
The prices in that reports were high and may indicate a blip or may indicate that used car prices have hit bottom and may even be on the up. Who knows.
In my view a good half way house to auctions for private buyers are some of the decent sellers on ebay (yes there are some professional ones and easy to spot). From what I can gather from talking to some of them they clear 200-400 average per car which is about what a private buyer would pay in buyers fees at an auction house anyway, you can drive the car prior to purchase and if it does blow up on the way home you have someone to shout at. I'd trust some of them over car supermarkets.
Don't confuse knowing about cars as being able to buy well at auction. I see many private buyers make huge mistakes day in day out. I saw quite a few pay through the nose for some very average cars at that auction mentioned.
No doubt once they'd paid £800 over trade, paid the horrendous 5% or so private buyers fee, £25 registration fee and then driven off with no tax, insurance or MOT in many cases they thought they'd got a good deal which is perhaps what counts but many didn't.
If you're not sure play it safe.
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The difference is that somebody who buys day in day out from auctions obviously know how they work and how to buy a lot better than somebody who pops in once every 4 years.
Thanks for your comments. The other thing I've read is that if a dealer group buyer is buying a load of cars he can afford to make the odd mistake. If you're buying one car for yourself then you're in trouble if that one car is a lemon.
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