Sorry for the pun, but I'm thinking of changing my nearly 3 year old MkV Golf 2.0 TDi for one of the new Mk VI TDi's with the CR engine (140PS)
What do BR's think? I know that this engine (I'm assuming it's the same) has been out in other VW models already, but should I wait until it's proved itself before I give up my beloved PD punch!
Edited by Rudedog on 23/12/2008 at 09:16
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A 3 Series owning colleague of time had a Golf Mk VI as a rental car and was massively impressed with it. He reckoned it was much quieter and more comfortable than his BMW as well as being roomier. I'd get one now before VW start thinking about increasing their UK prices due to the exchange rate.
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But the Golf VI is not out in the UK until January is it? So how can you get it before they put the price up due to the exchange rate?
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Been available for ordering since October - depends how you define "get"
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So if I buy now and agree the price (sign on the dotted line), and then the price goes up due to exchange rates do I have to pay more at delivery? When I bought my last Golf I was very lucky enough to pay with cash (savings) so I paid for everything on the day I placed my order with the salesman, I didn't have any extra to cough up at delivery 12 weeks later.
The MK VI is on the VW website and is in my local showroom, so I'm assuming I can buy it now for delivery in however many weeks.
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I would not hand over all of the cash now though... deposit and rest on delivery. I'd make sure they agree the price.
I would think if you go for a standard spec car and its already built you would get it quite quickly. If it needs to be factory ordered then its probably closed for Christmas like they all do. I wonder how Wolfsburg are doing for production - are they having to stay closed for longer due to a drop in car sales?
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To go back to the original query - PD vs CR has been debated many times here - if you have a predisposition towards misfuelling diesels, stick with the PD. ..
Not many high mileage CR VWs yet, but the whole Mk6 (iirc) range has PDFs. which seem to be becoming troublesome.
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But the Golf VI is not out in the UK until January is it?
I don't know, isn't it? Been on the market here for months. You guys still stuck with the Golf V then?
So how can you get it before they put the price up due to the exchange rate?
After the last big sterling devaluation in 1992, all the imported makes put their prices up by a large amount, admittedly 6 to 9 months after the devaluation, in the middle of a recession.
Just as back then, the volume in the new car market is not there at the moment so they will try and claw margins back in the UK with lower volumes and higher prices.
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I've driven a new A4 Avant for a couple of weeks with the new 2.0TDi CR. Engine is much better than 140 PD, slightly better then 170 PD. CR is more petrol like with no real punch and stalling it is easy. In the A4 there is very little engine noise in the cabin, but this could be down to soundproofing.
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Got the 140 Passat. Averaged 42mpg at 70mph to Scotland, 39mpg at 80 on way home.
Last week I had a courtesy car - Tiguan 140CR. Averaged 46mpg.
So much for the anti-4x4 then. VW say it is down to the CR engine.
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I've got a Passat 2.0 140 TDi and on long trips I average 46mph. My much-regaled economy story is where we travelled from Evesham to Fishguard, ferry to Rosslaire, toured via waterford to County kerry, one week in Kerry driving in remore peninsulars, then across country to Dublin for two dayswhere we experienced some very heavy traffic, then ferry to Holyhead and A5 home. Admittedly the tank was getting pretty low at this point and I refuelled in Betws-y-Coed. 741 miles, heavily laden, not mimsing.
Apparently, the TDi engine is reliable though my experience does not support this as I'm on my third engine! (I'm an expert at running-in now!)
But if the op is looking at a 3 year-old Golf then the CR engine won't be an option will it?
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Thanks Pat for the info. I actually have a 3yr old PD 140 and the question was whether I should hang onto it or change it for the new Golf with the CR engine, so your reply about being on your third engine is quite interesting, I'm assuming that's the CR engine you are talking about? What caused three engines to blow?
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Rudedog - only 2 (!) engines have blown (so far). First was at 9k due to a failed oil pump. Second was at 23k (in total, therefore after 14k) due to sheared bolt in the cambelt tensioner. Current engine has covered 4k and is loosening up nicely, I just hope it lasts longer than the other two.
I understand your quandry. I like VAG products but my experience with the Passat has made me wary about future purchases and i'm wondering if I'd have more luck with the CR engine. Incidentally, I've got the blurb on the new golf and the diesel engines seem to have been detuned (110PS for the 2.0 diesel with a more expensive 140PS version)
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Sorry, forgot to mention that my Passat has the PD engine.
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I also noticed when I was sitting in the MK VI today that the new engine redlines slightly higher at 5,000 rpm compared to 4,500 in the 16v PD, not sure what part of the new engine design allows for this.
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OK, I am a numpty about engines and all the initials here. I assume that the CR stands for common rail and that VW didn't used to have CRs until now with the Passat, the new Golf and, I assume, the Tiguan?
So, effectively common rail is a 'new' technology for VW?
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All vag V configuration engines (V6 etc) have been common rail, there's not room between the two banks of cylinders for the PD injectors, so common rail is not new to VAG. HTH
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You may as well have written that in Greek. Completely flies over my head. No help at all.
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VAGs V6 engined diesels have always been common rail so its not new technology for VAG............Any better?
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