Plastic Pig-good investment? - sunbeamer
I noticed a few Reliant Robins on Autotrader. Is it possible that late examples of these primitive machines are worth over £5000?
Plastic Pig-good investment? - stunorthants26
No, people in the know pay far less if one desires one of these cars. Even late low mileage ones are worth no more than £2k unless they are virtually as new.

They are fun cars, but not at that price.
Plastic Pig-good investment? - Altea Ego
They are fun cars but not at that price.


not at any price can they be called fun.,
Plastic Pig-good investment? - Old Navy
I saw one rear end a real car a few months ago, not pretty, I would not let any of my family in one. How many NCAP stars do they have?

Edited by Old Navy on 16/12/2008 at 16:32

Plastic Pig-good investment? - willchow
NCAP stars? -5?

I saw one the other week trying to avoid speed humps. Driving in the middle of the road, straight towards another car head on. Reliant Robins are not cars and I for one would not want to be in one ever.
Plastic Pig-good investment? - oldnotbold
There's a good reason they are rare, and I don't think their rarity makes them an attractive investment.

For the same price you could buy a very nice Rolex, and that's something I'd cheerfully hand on to my children.-
Plastic Pig-good investment? - sunbeamer
I suppose a Rolex is quite a nickable commodity, but I don't recall ever hearing of a Robin being stolen!
Plastic Pig-good investment? - nortones2
Colleague at work sometimes gave me a lift into centre of Brum in his new Robin. I preferred his former NSU Quickly. Far less humiliating:)
Plastic Pig-good investment? - Robin Reliant
There seems to be a lot of wimps on this forum lately.
Plastic Pig-good investment? - rtj70
But Reliant Robins are not going to be very safe in an accident. Okay they are better perhaps than a motorcycle but nowhere near as safe as say a car.
Plastic Pig-good investment? - Robin Reliant
But Reliant Robins are not going to be very safe in an accident. Okay they
are better perhaps than a motorcycle but nowhere near as safe as say a car.

Jumbo jets aren't too safe in an accident either, but most of you would fly in one.
Plastic Pig-good investment? - rtj70
But planes tend to be a safer mode of transport and are well maintained. And it depends on the accident ;-)

What would I rather be in if say I was rear ended by an HGV? A Reliant Robin or say a Ford Fiesta? I know which one did hold up quite well in an accident. I normally drive something bigger than a Fiesta for this sort of reason too.

Someone asked about NCAP rating... I wonder what would be left if driven into the concrete block. But they cannot test because (a) ceased production before NCAP, (b) it is not a car so NCAP does not apply* and (c) what is an off-side collision for a three wheeler trike.


* I know it can be driven on a car licence but it's not really a car to me at least. You can also drive with a bike licence can't you?

Edited by rtj70 on 16/12/2008 at 17:02

Plastic Pig-good investment? - R75
But planes tend to be a safer mode of transport and are well maintained. And
it depends on the accident ;-)

>

Was actually watching something last night which said that (RoSPA I think!!) worked out that if you take it on a per trip basis car travel is actually 10 times safer then air travel!!
Plastic Pig-good investment? - rtj70
But comparing safety in a large airliner to a car has to be compared on some common things. Even comparing the safety record of a 747 vs an A320 is different to a 737 vs an A310.

We'll be saying statistically, you are less likely to have an accident riding a unicycle to work than flying an AC130 gunship next.
Plastic Pig-good investment? - stunorthants26
Quite. I owned a Rialto, far cruder than the later Robins and I bitterly regret selling it as I genuinely loved it. It was swift, cheap to run and so simple even I, a mechanical novice, was able to fix it in most circumstances.

All this utter rubbish about safety - most cars older than 10 years old are a certain death in many types of accident but doesnt stop people driving them. Its safer than cycling.

A ten year old Fiesta is a death trap even with airbags, they fall apart, ive seen the crash test pics - gonna recommend nobody drives them either? It has nothing to do with safety and everything to do with prejudice against non-conformist car choices.
Plastic Pig-good investment?. - Alanovich
Quite. I owned a Rialto far cruder than the later Robins


That's odd stu. I thought that Robins came before Rialtos. My memory tells me that Rialtos replaced Robins, which had replaced Regals.

Anyone also remember Reliant Kittens? These were 4-wheeled Robins if memory serves. They were quite popular I seem to recall.
Plastic Pig-good investment?. - Tornadorot
That's odd stu. I thought that Robins came before Rialtos. My memory tells me that
Rialtos replaced Robins which had replaced Regals.


Not quite - the original Robin replaced the Regal and was produced from 1973 to 1981, when it was replaced by the Rialto. The Robin name was revived for a new model in 1989. After that it gets complicated by various insolvencies and transfers of ownership, but Robins seem to have been produced sporadically until 2002.
Plastic Pig-good investment?. - Alanovich
Ah ha! Thanks. I discovered beer and girls in 1988, so evidently missed the relaunch of the Robin name!

My Dad used to run Regals and Supervans in the 70s, hence my interest. All four of us and a very boisterous labrador/boxer cross used to travel from Windsor to Northumberland in our Regal every summer to visit relatives. Pandemonium. But fun.
Plastic Pig-good investment? - oldnotbold
"There seems to be a lot of wimps on this forum lately."

Not wanting a R Robin is called taste, not wimpish-ness. A boob-job costs about the same, and SWMBO doesn't want one of those, either!

"Jumbo jets aren't too safe in an accident either, but most of you would fly in one."

But the fatality rate per miles travelled is way better in a 747, and that's what counts.

Edited by oldnotbold on 16/12/2008 at 16:57

Plastic Pig-good investment? - Harleyman
But Reliant Robins are not going to be very safe in an accident. Okay they
are better perhaps than a motorcycle


I wouldn't even credit them with that. Plastic Pigs are inherently unstable ( to find out why, try racing one against a Berkeley or Morgan 3-wheeler), and the old Regals were notorious fire-traps.

Many years ago, when returning from the East Coast with me Mum and Dad, we overtook a Regal approaching Wragby. Our car started stinking of petrol; first of all the old man thought it was him, as he'd just filled up, but it cleared after we passed the Reliant.

We pulled up in the centre of Wragby, just as the Reliant struggled into view, stopped, driver and passenger jumped out and the car burst into flames. Within half a minute (the time it took for the local fire engine to cover the quarter-mile to the scene) it was a burnt-out engine and chassis.

Horrible things, even the more modern Robins; my ex father-in-law had one of those, and I only ever accepted a lift from him once. The only good thing about them was the engine, a remarkably lively and free-revving job for its time.
Plastic Pig-good investment? - Old Navy
I would call it choice, tempered by risk assesment.
Plastic Pig-good investment? - redviper
but who would spend £5k on one? - when you could buy something much nicer with 4 wheels or two (if thats what you like)

Plastic Pig-good investment? - Altea Ego
but who would spend £5k on one? - when you could buy something much nicer
with 4 wheels or two (if thats what you like)


Yes thats the point really. Two or four

three is a flawed concept. The romans knew that.
Plastic Pig-good investment? - redviper
seems like a complete waste of money to me, personally ive never seen the appeal of them.
Plastic Pig-good investment? - Alby Back
I think, though I may be wrong, that they were popular because they could be driven on a motorcycle licence.
Plastic Pig-good investment? - stunorthants26
>>they could be driven on a motorcycle licence. <<

You need a B1 license for one if I recall.
Plastic Pig-good investment? - rtj70
Never.
Plastic Pig-good investment? - Alby Back
This sounds like a tale but I promise it isn't. I had an aunt who worked as a post lady. Part of her round included a very steep winding hill with severe cambers. It was a dead end and every day she had to climb the hill on foot to make her deliveries.

A man who lived at the top of the hill had a Reliant Robin. He worked a night shift somewhere and my aunt would often find him sitting in the car at the bottom of the hill when she arrived to make her rounds. He used to offer her a lift to the top of the hill which made her life easier as she could then walk back down distributing the post.

This went on for years and she imagined that he was just a kind hearted soul as he never said or did anything which she found untoward.

One day when he had not been there to meet her she eventually came to his door with his letters. He came to the door to apologise say that he had sold the car and would no longer be able to give her a lift.

Of course she told him it was not an issue and thanked him for all the years of lifts. He then smiled wryly and admitted that he prefered to have someone on board for "ballast" on the uphill stretch because of a particularly nasty camber on one of the bends!

Edited by Humph Backbridge on 16/12/2008 at 17:05

Plastic Pig-good investment? - stunorthants26
Indeed they were very lightweight cars. On teh plus side, if you were feeling fit, you could push yours single-handed if it broke down, not that mine did, if you discount a ruptured coolant pipe :-)

I went to school in a rusty 1965 Mini automatic, which you could see the road through the floor in. Im still here to tell the tale. As I am from the day that I and my neighbours kids rode 'freestyle' in the back of their dads Renault Traffic van for 30 miles.

Life is an adventure, sometimes you gotta take the odd risk or two just to know your alive.
Plastic Pig-good investment? - oldnotbold
Stu - I did plenty of things in my youth that I genuinely enjoyed, that were well out of the reach/ambition of many people. I can honestly say that driving a Robin would not come close then, or now, and I'm grateful that is so.

Edited by oldnotbold on 16/12/2008 at 17:17

Plastic Pig-good investment? - oldnotbold
Sorry - Stu, just re-read that, and boy, does it sound pompous! Not intended, and I hope you get what I meant. Simon
Plastic Pig-good investment? - Robin Reliant
I'm surprised some of you lot have the cheek to call yourselves motorists. Take away your ESP, ABS, airbags, heated pedals and massage mats and suddenly you can't cope.

Four wheels is one more than you need.
Plastic Pig-good investment? - rtj70
But I like to drive cars with metal bodywork that has inbuilt protection like crumple zones and side-impact protection. Not all of us want to risk driving three wheeled vehicles made of fibreglass.

If commend you for doing so - I know it is not on cost grounds as a Reliant Rialto is not cheap to buy second hand.

You have mail.. picture of the back end of a Fiesta I was in after an HGV hit us.... food for thought?

Rob

Edited by rtj70 on 16/12/2008 at 19:58

Plastic Pig-good investment? - Old Navy
Robin, I take it you still have analouge radio and tv and a mobile phone the size of a house brick. :-)
Plastic Pig-good investment? - redviper
I'm surprised some of you lot have the cheek to call yourselves motorists. Take away
your ESP ABS airbags heated pedals and massage mats and suddenly you can't cope.
Four wheels is one more than you need.


4 wheels is minumum in my book , and if the OP is right if im spending £5k on a car I want a lot more than a Robin Relient for my money
Plastic Pig-good investment? - Mick Snutz
an uncle of a friend had one and drove into a wall. Apparantly the whole thing split down the middle like some cheap Kinda Egg toy!

Avoid
Plastic Pig-good investment? - Leif
What a revolting object. And expensive to buy. But I think the idea of a small vehicle with two seats, light weight, excellent fuel consumption, and load carrying capacity is good. It's a pity there is not an affordable modern version with a decent safety cell. The Mercedes A class is close but expensive, and with expensive servicing and parts.
Plastic Pig-good investment? - bathtub tom
All these contributors that wouldn't want to be in a plastic pig in an accident. Live and let live.

I was in an old TVR at the weekend, another car where you had to remember you were 'sitting outside the chassis'.
Plastic Pig-good investment? - Alby Back
Yes it does rather concentrate the mind when the crumple zone is your feet. I remember that occasionally occuring to me in the Westfield. Must be the only driving experience a Westfield shares with a Robin though........

Plastic Pig-good investment? - b308
Its an old car built before safety became an issue... so why all the fuss? If I thought that way i wouldn't take my Maxi out of the garage... or ride a motorbike... or walk across the road... lets get some reality into the thread, eh? It's a "collectors" car now, though I'd agree that £5k is way ott!

BTW people still buy cars that are just as bad safety-wise as the Robin, but are brand new... GWizz or those French 3 wheeler 2 stroke pickup things, anyone!
Plastic Pig-good investment? - Altea Ego
eh? It's a "collectors" car now though


Nah. You couldn't boast about this with your mates down the pub.
Plastic Pig-good investment? - stunorthants26
It depends what kinda mates you have. Ecomentalists love these cars, or atleast some do as the later, more aerodynamic Robin can do a legit 100 mpg - I know several people with them who can testify to it.

I cant for the life of me understand why anyone would want to ride a motorbike - far more dangerous than any car, yet they do and I dont look down on them for it, I just dont see the attraction myself.

Old folk prob like them because unlike any other modern car, you can fix even the last of the line ones with a spanner set from Halfords and so its cheap to run, not to mention they dont rust at all so are very long lasting.
There are positive reasons that make sense to a small band of people, just as there are for those crazy folk who buy a Dodge :-)
Plastic Pig-good investment? - b308
Back to the Kitten, I don't think it was all that popular... it was more expensive than the equiv Mini and didn't have the advantage of being able to be driven on a motorbike licence like the 3 wheelers.

Surprisingly, Stu, its not just us oldies that like older cars, there are plenty of youngies too! I may stand corrected on this but i thought that the engine in the Robin/Kitten was quite a complicated and expensive thing to fix if it went wrong? Certainly won't rust, though!
Plastic Pig-good investment? - stunorthants26
Well im 28 and I loved my Rialto, but for us younger folk its more of a non-conformist statement rather than a practical choice altho the hippy types love em ( I know a couple who having poked around my car and being generally against anything other than walking, bought one ).

The engine on the Robin/Kitten is not anything special nor is it complicated. They will with regular oil changes do 200k ( not that many ever do ).
You can still get brand new engines from Reliant - infact most parts for Reliants made in the last 30 years are very easy to find.
The cars are very simple under the bonnet - a couple of coolant pipes, no brake servo, power steering or much of anything else.
If you appreciate simplicity, they are a fantastic thing and the owners club is one of the friendliest bunch ive ever met - they go to great lengths to help you out with any issue and have experts on every aspect of ownership.
Plastic Pig-good investment? - Glaikit Wee Scunner {P}
I always believed the engine was an evolution of the original Austin 7's.
Quite light and was used in the Quasar, a sort of feet forward roofed motorcycle of the late 1970's. Paul Blezard, a journalist of the time, used to rave about the concept and the last I heard was he managed to impale one in a Renault 5 and survive.
Several people I knew destroyed Regals and badly injured themselves. The Bond Bug was an even faster three wheeler, and shortly after its launch in Edinburgh, became as with a local lampost.
I've seen a Quasar/Phasar at the National Motorcyle Museum- the best place for one.
Plastic Pig-good investment? - freddy1
I had a bond 875 , many yrs ago, this had the hillman imp engine and box , very fast
Plastic Pig-good investment? - nick
I mate had an 875 once. Hell, it felt quick. I remember doing about 85mph and being able to rock the steering wheel with absolutely no effect as the front end had lifted!
Plastic Pig-good investment? - mike hannon
Any car built before the modern preoccupation with passive safety has to be accepted for what it is - it may not have airbags and crumple zones, ABS, EBS, blah-di-blah, but if you drive it sensibly and be as defensive as you can it won't actually jump up and bite you. Personally, I prefer cars like that.
HOWEVER, this reasoning does not apply to the Reliant - it's built the wrong way round for a three-wheeler and it's a menace.
Presumably the idea of paying 5k or 2k or whatever for one is a spin-off of the situation in which people are evidently paying 10k for Messerschmitt(?) 'cabin scooters' (yes, that's what they were called!). All part of the current economic madness.
Plastic Pig-good investment? - MagDrop
IIRC You can also drive the Kitten on a b1 motorcycle licence provided its recorded weight on the V5c is less than 550kg.
There was a trio of them where I last worked. The owner of one lost it on an icy morning and it ended up on its side. He righted it and carried on to work after improvising the broken throttle cable with a piece of string. Apart from the cable only the door mirror was broken.
One of the others, an Estate, was sold legitimately and used a couple of days later in a Post Office heist!
The SU float chamber overflow problem has been the death of quite a few plastic pigs. A modified float chamber cover is available from Burlen Services in Salisbury. This has an outlet stub to enable a pipe to be fitted directing the fuel far away from hot/sparking things.
I still have mine though I gave up driving it regularly knowing the opposition was not only getting more numerous and stupid but they were all now encouched in airbags and what-have-you. As of course I am in my Avensis or SAAB 900.
I still enjoy an occasional run in the Kitten with its go-kart feel but not the all drum non-servo brakes nor working on the engine which gives me awful backache.