The new style MOT has a box to say if an advise was issued.
If the advise sheet is "lost" is it possible to see online what the advise was ?
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Go to www.motinfo.gov.uk/
and follow the instructions - you'll need either your V5 number or the MOT Test Cert number (plus reg)
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Any car submitted for test with rear child seats installed will receive an advisory slip, as the rear seat belts cannot be tested. The Scenic has had advisories on both its test on these grounds.
I like the idea of being able to check on-line, although it surprises me that the emissions data is not recorded.
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>>it surprises me that the emissions data is not recorded.
Why so?
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Because of the general obsession surrounding all things environmental, and because an emissions test print out showing something of concern such as a skin of the teeth pass, can be just as easily 'lost' by an unscrupulous seller as an advisory slip showing a serious future fault of another nature. The latter is recorded and is searchable, the former is not.
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>>a skin of the teeth pass
Perhaps in such cases, an advisory should be given regardless of which test aspect, which would be recorded.
One thing to remain mindful of is that even a brand new MOT pass with no advisory points does not mean that any car you might consider buying is necessarily OK.
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What annoys me is MOT places that fail an MOT then give adivories. Then they pass it when the fail faults are fixed but then not fix the advisory, but they don't issue another one. So you have an MOT which says no advisories but when you check online you can see it failed and there was one.
After buying my dads car we discovered the drivers door had a habbit of sticking, I checked the MOT online (they told us it passed with flying colours) they forgot to mention it failed the first time needing severe welding to the drivers side seat belt piller!
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severe welding to the drivers side seatbelt piller!
crikey, how old was the car? they usually rust from the outside inwards..
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Well mine failed on the same thing looking at the online MOT. With mine they just put new sills on, on my dads they bodged it and put a plate where the hole must have been. It has passed an MOT since with no advisories so I assume it would be ok now,. My mechanic has also said its in good condition underneath.
Still it shows why the owner was selling it.
It the car is a 97R Fiesta but the VIN says it was built in March 96.
Edited by Rattle on 19/11/2008 at 14:02
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Any car submitted for test with rear child seats installed will receive an advisory slip as the rear seat belts cannot be tested.
Just shows what a lottery the MOT is.
I took our car for it's MOT in September with two child seats strapped in the rear, tester didn't mention it.
Edited by gmac on 19/11/2008 at 13:54
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I took a car for a service/MOT, intending to cycle home, I threw the bike in the back.
It proceeded to tipple it down. The garage took pity on me and offered to run me home, and deliver the car when complete.
I got an advisory on rear seat belts - unable to check, bike in the way!
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>>Just shows what a lottery the MOT is.
Yes!, it's just a bloke (usually!) looking at the car. The MOT inspectors aren't necessarily particularly highly skilled or experienced, but they have all passed the VOSA training course.
As many will be tiring of reading in my posts on the subject, the MOT only begins to make sense when you begin to view it as a backup check to normal maintenance good practice - an inspection to verify the quality of the servicing regime. If your car is well looked after, you shouldn't attract any MOT failures.
The problem is that many people incorrectly view the possesion of a valid MOT certificate as carte blanche to continue to run the car for the MOT's entire duration. However, the driver of a vehicle is always responsible for the safety and condition of the vehicle.
The text on the back of the MOT certificate is quite helpful in this regard.
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N_C, if it came across that I would use the MOT as the only guide to a vehicle's condition when buying, then that's not what I meant. However, it is an added reassurance or bargaining tool (whichever) to know about any concerns on the items which are testable.
It just seems odd that, given the huge focus on vehicle emissions, and the recent investment in MoT computerisation and anti fraud measures, the emissions test result is probably the easiest part to fudge or hide. To integrate this would have been small beer given the extent of the other changes and investment over the past few years.
Cheers
DP
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>>it just seems odd that...
To me, it's odder that the advisory points are stored and recorded at all. Are there any circumstances where they would actually make any difference (in a motoring law sense).
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Yep a lot of advisories could be dangerious but legal here are some I can think of:-
Brake pipes - rusted but not leaking
Tyres - 1.7mm - legal but dangerious.
Rusted floor pan - If its away from 30cm from suspension or steering mounts then it will pass, still could be dangerious.
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>>Brake pipes - rusted but not leaking
Corrosion on brake pipes is a matter of degree. Light corrosion may attract an advisory, heavy corrosion can attract an MOT failure without any evidence of a leak.
>>Rusted floor pan
There aren't too many areas of a floorpan which escape this, because you also must also include the seat mountings, the seat belt mountings, and the handbrake mounting. Once you imagine virtual spheres of 30cm radius centred on all of these points, it doesn't leave much on a Fiesta!
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I realise that it is knowing when, it seems to be a matter of opininion, on my dads Fieata the pipes were not leaking, yet it still got given a dangerious to drive due to the condition of the pipes - it failed also on this.
Has anybody known a case where a car was given a dangerious to drive due to an advisory? I am sure there has been cases.
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Yep a lot of advisories could be dangerious but legal here are some I can think of:-
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Just back from MoT station with sons Focus.
I thought / knew it would fail on two / three items.
It failed on two plus another undetected by me.
To my amazement the screw in the almost new tyre ( unrepairable as the screw was in the shoulder area) was NOT classed as a failure.
I was shown many other irems that are exempt.
I was also surprised that the MoT station, when making new number plates, was not exempt from all the document production. The joy of red tape!!!.
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>>To my amazement the screw in the almost new tyre ( unrepairable as the screw was in the shoulder area) was NOT classed as a failure.
I would hope that you'll sort this out quickly even though it didn't fail the MOT.
Was it the MOT which found the screw?
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Slight thread drift, but as we were on about emissions.
Could someone explain what the number under 'mean value' on the printout means?
I asked the Ford place and was told my car had passed the emission test.
Mmm, gathered that.
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I would guess it was just the average of all the readouts during the test.
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The smoke test for a diesel is performed by measuring the smoke level from the exhaust as the engine is accelerated to its governor in neutral. If the smoke level is below the prescribed limit on its first "go", it registers as a pass (a 'fast pass'). If not, the result is taken as a mean value of up to five further attempts, hence the mean heading.
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DP,
Thanks.
Presumably, each model has its own target to beat, so a mean value pass for one car could be a fail for another and vice-versa,
My Focus managed a fast pass, by the way.
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