People who drive into crashes on the motorway should be prosecuted for careless driving.
Discuss.
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Police responding to crash on motorway 'get off' speeding tickets....discuss!
Oh, we already are! :)
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Oh, for goodness sake. What a drip. I despair.
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Sense of humour failure again! Have an early night, you'll feel better in the morning.
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People who bump into the car in front at a junction etc should be prosecuted for careless too!
Discuss?
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People who bump into the car in front at a junction
Whell, it's similar, at least - but rather different in terms of magnitude. You have something of a point. What do you think of the situation re. motorway pile-ups?
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In my book I dont see a difference between the 2 scenarios.
Both are a result of not being fully aware of the surroundings = careless or worse.
Not looking to split the argument I just dont understand why a motorway speed accident is any worse than a slow speed accident for cause. result of the accident as in injuries should make no difference? because the cause is the same ?
I dont accept speed is the problem, its awareness!
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I do rather tend to agree with you - I was trying, apparently in vain, to keep discussion simple (see above).
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mostly agree about the awareness..but...as posted failrly recently to someone who hit a car on a dual carriageway
i'm not sure that driving at or slightly over the legal limit on a m/way (as most people do) that if i confronted a sideways car on an unlit section at night, that i'd miss it
i think most people underestimate the dangers and stopping distances on fast roads
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Not sure how my accident in Italy happened two years ago. An HGV went into the back of our hire car on a dual carriageway. I have no memory of how it happened but if I'd stopped the HGV should have been able to stop. Not only didn't he but the tanker behind him then ran into the HGV. Road was probably closed for quite some time.
But whilst I hope the driver's insurance did pay out, nobody died or were seriously injured (luckily) so hope he didn't lose his license and income. He made a mistake. But I think he thought he'd killed me (my wife saw him but I was unconscious) - so he probably suffered too.
Never spoken about it too much with my wife (she probably remembers more than me) as we don't want to think about it - we were lucky to "walk" away*. My wife seeing me unconscious with blood pouring out of my head wound also thought I might have been killed and also worried about internal injuries she might have had...
* I didn't walk to the ambulance - I was carried and only remember looking back at the wreckage and asking could I get the cases.... nobody would let me and seeing the car later I know why.
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Some people deserve to get hit up the back, they are such frightfully selfish mimsers or pull in front of you while going too slowly.
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If driving above the speed limit then yes.
If driving at the speed limit then I acknowledge that speeds may not have been appropriate but situations can change quickly and its not possible to anticipate and judge and react to all scenarios.
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If driving above the speed limit then yes. If driving at the speed limit then I acknowledge that speeds may not have been appropriate but situations can change quickly and its not possible to anticipate and judge and react to all scenarios.
So you can drive as dangerously as you like, as long as you don't break the speed limit?
The government got at least one person with their 'speed kills' campaign then.
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>Some people deserve to get hit up the back<
Nobody 'deserves' to get hit up the back, whatever they are doing. If the hitter is unable to avoid objects (moving or not) s/he should give up driving and try something s/he is better at.
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can't be any argument can there? but do you think that motorway driving should be a (compulsory?) add-on to the regular driving test ?. My driving instructor, many years ago, gave me a free lesson on motorway driving ( him at the wheel ) and gave me advice :- "start off your journey with 10 points, and deduct 1 point for every time you use the brake pedal, - see how many points you finish with, if it's less than 10 consider you have failed. I still try and follow that advice. Why can we walk along a busy street and not bump into anyone, but have multiple pile-ups on a motorway ?
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can't be any argument can there? but do you think that motorway driving should be a (compulsory?) add-on to the regular driving test ?.
No. My nearest motorway is over 60 miles away.
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>>but do you think that motorway driving should bea (compulsory?) add-on to the regular driving test ?.
No. My nearest motorway is over 60 miles away.<<
Priceless - what's that phrase from the hospital joke.....Normal for Norfolk!
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Yes!
motorways are so different than 'normal' roads to drive on.
I regularly drive along the Loudwater Bucks section of the M40, where accidents often happen, and the amount of vehicles in the 2nd or 3rd lanes doing well under 70mph, and with nobody on the inside of them!
you can't say your overtaking someone a mile in front of you, can you??
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the amount of vehicles in the 2nd or 3rd lanes doing well under 70mphand with nobody on the inside of them!
So thats without due care and attention then at a guess?
How would lessons on a motorway stop that? I could do the same on a major A road that happens to be dual carriageway.
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maybe you could have a 'motorway' lesson on one of those dual carriageways?
lets be honest, the things that you need to learn about motorway driving are (and please feel free to add to the list everyone!)
lane control
speed differential awareness
awareness of other traffic (should always be aware on all roads but seems to be lacking on motorways?)
controlling the boredom!
correct way of joining and leaving...
anymore?
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Impossible to say. Depends on circumstances, doesn't it?
If a crash in another lane forces a car into your path too close ahead of you to avoid, you should be prosecuted?
If you're going to make the 'can stop in the distance you see to be clear' rule apply to all directions, we're going to have to make motorways a hell of a lot wider!
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"If driving above the speed limit then yes"
Whats the speed limit in fog, rain or snow?...
Still 70mph...
Which is plain daft!
I agree with the general concensus - if you are driving inapropriately for the conditions, too close or too fast then you should be done...
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