Can someone who has a convertible enlighten me as to why people buy them.
I was out and about yesterday, 27 deg C and saw several convertable cars, soft and hard tops, with the roof UP ???? what's all that about then ?
When do you put the roof down ?
Edited by Pugugly on 30/07/2008 at 23:08
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I too have wondered this many times. It's especially perplexing when you consider a car with less metal costs more than the tin top equivalent.
Apparantly us Brits buy more soft tops than a lot of European drivers who live in warmer climes.
Mad dogs and Englishmen (and soft top owners) go out in the mid day sun.
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It's especially perplexing when you consider a car with less metal costs more than the tin top equivalent.
Less visible metal is what you mean. Check the weight of a convertible vs its standard tin top stable mate and you'll see they can weigh in the region of 200kgs more due to the extra strengthening required underneath to compensate for the lack of a roof.
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With ours it's more a case of when you put the roof up. Heavy rain or snow is about the only time we drive ours with the roof on (or on a busy motorway where the wind buffeting gets a bit much
If your roof isn't off in this weather though, I'd agree why would you have a convertible?
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I had a very pleasurable drive around the Surrey lanes this afternoon with the roof rolled back on the 2CV.
But convertibles are no fun on a motorway or when stuck in traffic on a hot day.
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I've always wondered if the number of convertibles we buy is linked to the number of divorces...
A mate of mine has got a Renault Megane CC and it just says "middle aged divorcee at the golf club" to me.
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A mate of mine has got a Renault Megane CC and it just says "middle aged divorcee at the golf club" to me.
I hope you're talking about a woman as a bloke would have no chance finding a new lady friend in one of those!
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SNIPQUOTE!A mate of mine has got a Renault Megane CC and it just says "middle aged divorcee at the golf club" to me.
A guy I worked with got divorced and bought a Boxster (not the 'S' version mind you). He was a sad stripy shirt wearing middle manager with receding hair and a tendency to grope women in the lifts.
Edited by Dynamic Dave on 31/07/2008 at 13:48
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I've had a convertible for just 4 days (see Fun car thread) and I absolutely love it (BMW Z3). I agree that the whole point of it is to have the hood down whenever possible, and with its wind deflector the Z3 is fine on a motorway.
I'm lucky that in my case this is an extra car: if we were allowed only one car per family and had to choose between the Z3, the Golf estate and SWMBO's Mini Cooper, it would have to be the Golf. (Interestingly, and irrelevantly to this thread, despite being a diesel the Golf is the quickest of the three pulling away from rest.)
It's not really a matter of logic - it's just fun. I've hardly driven the Z3 with the roof up - and tomorrow with a business trip and bad weather forecast, I won't be taking it.
Edit - PS - still married! Maybe the divorces happen when the convertible-owning half doesn't let other half drive it?
Edited by Avant on 30/07/2008 at 23:25
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Buy a motor bike - the all year round convertible.
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I thought it was well understood that it's just so naff to actually drive with a convertible top down. To properly carry-off convertible driving you must show utter disdain for nice sunny weather & the huge premium in price you're paying - have you noticed how odd people look in a (converted) convertible? - like wheat waiting for the scythe.
So, all you non-U types, for goodness sake get your tops back on! For the hottest, sunniest weather, drive top-up, windows closed & wear over-sized designer shades (or blazer for gents). Proper style.
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Can someone who has a convertible enlighten me as to why people buy them.
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i got mine (Colt CZC) because i liked it no other reason then that
I was out and about yesterday 27 deg C and saw several convertable cars soft and hard tops with the roof UP ???? what's all that about then ?
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totally nuts if you ask me but that said sometimes its hard to judge just what the weather is going to do sometimes, well for me any way i live on the north wales coast and the weather can literally change in an instant, i've even known the weather to be total opposite on either side of the pen-y-clip tunnel and the last thing you want is for the heavens to open when your doing 70 on a major road with no where to pull over and get the roof up. so i guess its all about taking a chance
When do you put the roof down ?
personally i like to take the risk and get the roof down when ever its above 11 degrees and touch wood i've only ever had to panic raise the roof once since may
(just realized im middle aged devorced....maybe theres something to that theory :-)
Edited by welshlad on 31/07/2008 at 01:07
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It's all a matter of taste I suppose.
Our MX5 lives in the garage with the roof down all year but only goes out when it is dry. The roof only goes up when it is parked away from home or if we get get caught in rain whilst out. Even then, if you can keep moving over about 40 mph the rain just goes over the top. Bright, crisp, winter days are probably better than summer days for roofless driving. The heater is good, wear a warm hat, have the wind blocker up, can't beat it.
To many we may seem odd with the roof down in mid winter, but it isn't illegal...yet. (Nanny State will probably get around to banning convertibles in time). We enjoy it and we don't care what anyone else thinks anyway!
P.S Middle aged and still married.
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I agree- when its even moderately nice my MINIs roof goes down. Its so easy these days I just can't understand people who don't- why din't you just buy a hard top and save £££s?
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I like convertibles. I have owned and enjoyed several of them. My current transport needs are such that it would not be practical at the moment due to loadspace requirements. Anyway the point is I am not criticising anyone elses choice of car.
I was amused some years ago though by a particular scenario. A company I used to work for had a very open ended company car scheme. You could fairly much have whatever you wanted up to a budget. A girl in my department chose to have a Golf GTi cabriolet. Fair enough. She had the top down once in the two years she had it. When asked why this was the case she admitted that it had surprised her how much it messed up her hair. Again, I suppose fair enough, mistakes get made. The really strange bit though is that when it became due for replacement she ordered a 3 series convertible. When questioned why this was her choice given her disappointment with the realities of rooflessness, she could only say that it "looked cooler". Mars and Venus again I suppose !
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t's all a matter of taste I suppose.
My TR7 lives in the garage with the roof down all year but only goes out when it is dry. The roof only goes up when it is parked away from home or if we get get caught in rain whilst out. Even then, if you can keep moving over about 40 mph the rain just goes over the top. Bright, crisp, winter days are probably better than summer days for roofless driving. The heater is good, wear a warm hat, and you can't beat it.
To many we may seem odd with the roof down in mid winter, but it isn't illegal...yet.. We enjoy it and we don't care what anyone else thinks anyway!
P.S Middle aged and still married.
To any body who feels a sense of deja vu, I admit to plagiarism, but it soooo reflected my views I could not help myself. Credit to 'ohsoslow'
pmh
Edited by pmh on 31/07/2008 at 10:01
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cant understand why people would want one
ive rented a few on holidays ...on a warmish day it still gets cold fairly quick once on the move so thats a bind
on a really hot day the sun beating on your neck/head is enough to give you heat stroke lol
then all the filth from lorrys , building sites , hedge cutters flys in and most converts leak like a sieve when it rains and lets face it , it rains alot here
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to the tr7 man
you should store the car with its roof up...all stretched out like it should be , otheriwse it will crack and crease badly from being stored down
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My 1st car was a Triumph Herald 13/60 convertable - cost me £30.
I had an MGB back in the 80's when I lived in London, and I can remember how enjoyable it was to drive around at night with the hood down - wouldn't fancy it these days I might add !!
The full-length "Webasto" on my Dolomite Sprint was an alternative.
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Best fun I've had in a convertible was a Yugo Cabrio I rented in Montenegro once, just after the civil wars when there were barely any tourists around. Empty roads, absolute heaven.
Zastava had made a load of these cabrios, based on the Yugo 55, for export to the US, but they'd been stuck with them due to economic sanctions. There are still quite a few around (I'm a regular visitor still), all LHD of course but with MPH speedos. Most peculiar.
I love driving 55s, reminds me of the Fiat 127 Sport I had when I was 17!
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Few months back I contemplated buying a convertible (looking for MX5 mainly) but finally dropped the idea as I realized it was not just my cup of tea!
I also can't afford keeping a car only for good weather :)
if you can keep moving over about 40 mph the rain just goes over the top
Is that true? That means while doing 70 mph with top down in a heavy downpour, you won't get drenched??
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Is that true? That means while doing 70 mph with top down in a heavy downpour you won't get drenched??
Drove the MX5 to Devon on the M5 and passed through a couple of short sharp showers. Obviously couldn't stop so carried on with the roof down. Got a bit damp, mainly when passing lorries as this upsets the airflow, but nothing too bad. It's more spray that gets you than the rain. Between the showers it was very hot so didn't take long to dry out. All part of the convertible experience!
I can understand convertibles not being everyones thing. I am a 60 year old 'kid' so I enjoy doing the odd strange things like this.
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you should store the car with its roof up...all stretched out like it should be , otheriwse it will crack and crease badly from being stored down
Thanks for that advice... I do make a point of putting the hood up (in stages) about once a year, on a hot summers day in the sun. That stretches and uncreases it very effectively. It is still on original hood, with the only damage being one missing popper, altho the rear window is starting to yellow.
I will try and make a point of leaving the hood stretched for the winter, it will also stop it getting dusty inside!
pmh
Edited by pmh on 31/07/2008 at 10:51
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I'd much sooner have a conventional hatch with a tilt and slide sunroof.
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I have to say convertible cars have to be one of the daftest designs ever
In the winter or it's cold you have the top up
In the rain you need the top up
On the motorway you need the top up as everthing gets blown about
If it's sunny you need the top up to stop getting sunburn't
Everytime you park to have to put the top up
The only good time for a convertible is for driving around town on a mild but not too sunny day - and then you look like a sad poser
MVP
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Come to think of it, why shouldn't people buy whatever they want? It's no one else's business is it?
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That's the best de-construction of convertible ownership I've ever read MVP!
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I've had a SAAB 93 aero convertible for thirteen months now, and even up here in Greater Manchester, you would be amazed how often you can get the top down.
Most of MVP's list just do not apply.
I only have the top up when it's raining, or when the fabric is wet.
The heater is great except in sub zero temps.
You do need to hold down everything lightweight, of course.
Putting the top up and down takes eleven seconds, with no physical effort.
You either get the point of them, or don't.
I like the closer contact with the environment.
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I like the closer contact with the environment.
You could try walking or cycling
MVP
Edited by MVP on 31/07/2008 at 13:26
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MVP
OK, I'll bite!
You're obviously not one of the converted. Sorry!
1/ Winter...nope
2/ Rain... not necessarily
3/ Motorway...nope
4/ Sun...sunscreen, which you need if and when you get out of your tin top, plus a baseball hat which many tin toppers wear anyway
5/ Not always, but less than a minute to put up with a modern soft top.
6/ Nope...and who cares anyway
NB. Experience of two seat convertibles only, not chopped saloons
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1/ Winter...nope 2/ Rain... not necessarily 3/ Motorway...nope 4/ Sun...sunscreen which you need if and when you get out of your tin top plus a baseball hat which many tin toppers wear anyway 5/ Not always but less than a minute to put up with a modern soft top. 6/ Nope...and who cares anyway
So I'm getting the picture of a 50 something year old bloke wearing sun screen and a baseball hat driving around in the rain with the top down.
QED my final point
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i'd rather have a convertible (and no there is no need to raise the roof everytime you park) then spend money on fuel that just gets eaten up on aircon usage, and no-one buys a convertible because they want or expect the roof down all the time so your winter example is just plain sillyness.
and no you dont need the roof up on motorways
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MVP
So I'm getting the picture of a 50 something year old bloke wearing sun screen and a baseball hat driving around in the rain with the top down. QED my final point
Yep, that's me! Missed the big grin though, just to complete the look for you. You may be relieved to hear that I do draw the line at string-backed driving gloves.
It takes all types. There are people who sit beside a river / canal / pond, hanging a hook in the water for hours in the freezing rain for fun.
Others even ride push bikes.....
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My only experience of a convertible was a Series I Landrover (military) in Cyprus in 1958. Burnt face, neck, arms and front of thighs from sun, burnt backside from sitting on redhot plastic seats in shorts, mouth and eyes full of grit - who needs it? Give me airconditioning anytime!
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Can someone who has a convertible enlighten me as to why people buy them.
They're easy to get into if you lock yourself out ~ just slash the hood ;-D
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To me convertibles should either be extremely stark sporting roadsters or what HJ calls 'boats': as it were Caterham or Cadillac, but very few convincing entries in the compromise classes.
Someone I was at school with, a well-heeled Benelux chap, was allowed having passed his test when 17 to drive his parents' dark silver metallic Packard Clipper convertible. Sure felt good at that age lounging around in that silent, fast-feeling, imposing machine on exeat days...
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I once had a Mercedes SLK as a rental car for 3 weeks. Having discovered that it's actually quite drafty and loud above about 80km/h with the roof down, I ended up driving most of the time with the roof up and the air conditioning on. I did lower the roof quite a lot, but mainly because I found the roof folding mechanism so absolutely astonishing to watch. I remember there was a warning in the manual about not opening/ closing the roof too often with the engine switched off as there is a risk of draining the battery, so I'm obviously not the only one so afflicted. The kids in the neighbourhood were also absolutely enthralled by it.
For some reason I prefer the "almost open" feeling of my Mercedes W124 Coupe with all the windows down and the sunroof open to a convertible.
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The Boxster is pretty civilised with the roof down, you could easily drive along with some papers on the passenger seat, at any speed, and they'd stay put. On motorways it's not that intrusive up to about 85 and at 75 there's not much noise or buffeting. I don't really get sunburn in this country & you can park it with the top down in most places, alternatively it takes about 10 seconds to close which isn't really that inconvienient. I drive about 45 mins to / from work every day and it's lovely to get the roof open, makes it more fun & more of an event. If you see a car as purely a means of getting from a to b then you might not get it but then do you see food purely as a fuel, or as something that can be savored & enjoyed? For me the benefits are lovely cool fresh air, a panoramic view, feeling of freedom, and pose value - although I'm 28 so maybe it's not too mid-life crisis at my age.
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I once had a Mercedes SLK as a rental car for 3 weeks.
We had an SLK hire car for a 5-day whizz around Germany in the company of a group of Porsches, and had the roof down the whole time, even at 140mph on the autobahn. Only put the roof up at night for the hotel stops. It was a wonderful trip.
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We had an SLK hire car for a 5-day whizz around Germany in the company of a group of Porsches and had the roof down the whole time even at 140mph on the autobahn.
Did you wear ear plugs? Seriously, I found the wind noise a real problem. I tried the autobahn with the roof down and drove straight off at the next exit and put the roof back up. My wife actually commented that we should get a convertible because it clearly encouraged me to drive more slowly! In its favour though, the SLK is astonishingly rigid for a convertible and in a different class to the chop topped 4 seater saloons I've driven.
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Did you wear ear plugs? Seriously I found the wind noise a real problem. >> SLK is astonishingly rigid for a convertible and in a different class to the chop topped 4 seater saloons I've driven.
It wasn't what you would call quiet, but preferable to the German radio.
I agree the SLK (Mk 2) was impressive to drive, much better than a Mk 1 I drove a few years back.
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It wasn't what you would call quiet but preferable to the German radio.
LOL.
What's wrong with German radio? Not into David Hasselhof?
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Yes, why do people buy convertibles? it makes me laugh to see the roof down but the windows left up , hide the valuables out of the way and roll your windows down!!!
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do you drive all the time with all your windows down in your hardtop???? we dont either for all the same reasons
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Why do people buy convertibles?
Obviously you either get the point of convertibles or not. Perhaps many of those who need to ask the question have never tried one and I can understand that they may not be everyones thing.
Those of us that do have them enjoy them. It's our choice, our money and if we look silly to you then that's not our problem.
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The thing is this ... to drive a "normal" car with the windows down is to be buffeted by the wind, but to drive a "well designed" convertable with the hood down & the windows up is (IMHO) quite civilised and a joy.
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You need to keep the top up on a convertible in hot weather so that the aircon works properly.
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do you drive all the time with all your windows down in your hardtop???? we dont either for all the same reasons I do actually, drivers window down, passenger window down half way, no rear windows in my truck!!! when i`m in the car i have to give in to the missus admittedly but generally i like the windows down.
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Yes why do people buy convertibles? it makes me laugh to see the roof down but the windows left up hide the valuables out of the way and roll your windows down!!!
If you don't want to be blown all over and end up with hair that looks like you've been dragged backwards through a hedge then you leave the windows up. Also, if it's cold, the windows allow the heater to build a pocket of warm air in the car that disappears without them.
Granted, on really nice days I would put them down as it looks better, but by and large, they stayed up.
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You can use the air con on a warm day in traffice with the hood down to good effect actually & it is actually helping global warming as the coolness dissipates to the rest of the planet. Another way that Porsche are helping the world!
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......... it is actually helping global warming as the coolness dissipates to the rest of the planet.
I don't agree. You don't get owt for nowt. An aircon system merely transfers heat from the incoming air to air that is going out somewhere other than the vents in the car. And on top of that, because the system doesn't have an efficiency of 100% it requires power fom the engine to do it.
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re "You can use the air con on a warm day in traffice with the hood down to good effect actually & it is actually helping global warming as the coolness dissipates to the rest of the planet. Another way that Porsche are helping the world!"
is this a wind up?
basic lack of scientific understanding there
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I think there was an implied smiley there!
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In response to the OP, I once bought a convertible because it was a gorgeous day in May and I was young enough to believe that the world was mine to conquer. To my credit, the top was down whenever the rain was not pouring down, I blasted the heat in my face on cold days and blasted the air con on hot days. Neither made much difference, but I got my money's worth. If the top was down, so were the windows, unless a girlfriend complained about the wind blowing her hair around.
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When I said people leave the hood up in hot weather so the aircon works properly, I was being facetious, but it is probably true, nonetheless.
Quote:....""unless a girlfriend complained about the wind blowing her hair around. ""
I don't get that one - I've got long hair and I don't care about it being blown around in the wind!
Edited by Sofa Spud on 01/08/2008 at 19:58
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Actually perleman has a serious point. I don't know what it's like now but New York in August in the seventies was utter hell, with the air conditioners at about head level spewing hot and often evil-smelling air onto the pavement in the 90 degree temperatures, and ones higher up the buildings dripping sticky, toxic smoke-infused condensed water on you.
Small one-room outside-exhausting air conditioners, which I imagine are still being made in ever-increasing numbers, are incredibly energy-inefficient and very, very anti-social. I bet some are still badly made using CFCs as their gas too.
Had a hotel room once in a poor part of a big African city that had one of those in it. It wasn't all that effective though even running full blast all the time, because it had just been roughly stuck in a random hole smashed in the breezeblock outside wall with a sledgehammer. There were big gaps all round it, through which of course its own hot exhaust was sucked back into the room with added mosquitoes...
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Chose an EOS, a coupe with a roof that just happens to fold away. About 50% of my mileage is roof down so far:
Dry, one passenger: DOWN
Dry, kids in back: SUNROOF open
Dry, kids and Dog!!! (in dog box) SUNROOF open and dog in boot.
Raining: normally roof up, sunroof tilted for better airflow.
The caveat is...
Speed < 60mph WINDOWS DOWN - rather like the buffetting
Speed > 60mph and motorways WINDOWS UP
Winter is same (Heated seats and hot air in footwell).
Night driving is same. Nothing better than seeing the stars out on the way home from work.
regards,
Daren
PS: the boot is deeper than my neighbour's Volvo V50 and regularly takes a small table with legs folded. Remind me why I want that hatch? I jest and also have an old A6 avant, but the car IS a very practical (small) family car.
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Nice car Daren, I'd never heard of an EOS before, but then I do live in Cornwall
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We're so judgemental in this country about cars. Anyone in a convertible is a sad poser. Everyone in a Ferrari or an Aston is a sad loser etc. etc. My mates even said I couldn't buy a Mini because I'd look gay in it!! Apparently, I'm too old at 40 for one - you've got to be young as a man to own one.
Anyway, I drive the wife's 93 convertible roof down as much as I can including on the motorway (we have a windbreak for such purposes) and if anybody thinks I'm a sad loser/poser then so be it. I don't care. I love the car and it's great just enjoying the fresh air. Heated seats makes open air driving possible all year round.
It'll also be refreshing to be on holiday in Italy next week where no such prejudices about cars seem to exist - they just love nice cars.
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My favourite times to drive our old MX-5 with the roof down, and my mate's Lotus Elise when I had custody of it, were those lovely crisp winter mornings that follow an overnight frost.
Heater on full chat on your feet, and a beanie to protect the bonce and ears. Lovely fresh air in the face, deep blue sky, and that lovely sharp throttle response that seems to accompany cold, dense air. Marvellous!
In the MX-5, the roof going down was almost as much a part of the drive as starting the engine or releasing the handbrake. Unless it was raining, it went down. The heater would take care of the cold.
The Lotus's roof was a masterpiece of appalling design (allen key and five separate parts to assemble / disassemble) but it still came off at every opportunity.
Cheers
DP
Edited by DP on 04/08/2008 at 12:01
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Reminds me of when I used to ride my Honda CX500 Custom around The Bodmin Moor on a summers afternoon with no helmet - "get ya mota running" .....
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It's an image and think they look good thing - and good luck to them, if it "does it" for them - and happy to pay extra for it! - but when all cars were open and the closed body cars were introduced the people who had the money soon dumped the open body cars and paid extra to get closed body cars - most people don't like wind, dirt, fumes, noise, vunerability, excess cold and heat - but then some people like all sorts of odd things.
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You bad dog (Dog !)
Edited by Pugugly on 04/08/2008 at 20:47
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Well, there was no traffic or Police about on this particular stretch of road - the flies don't half sting though above 50 MPH !
>>>You bad dog (Dog !)<<<
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the flies don't half sting though above 50 MPH !
Heh heh. I was never a biker myself - didn't think I was a good enough driver to survive, terrified of the things - but I've been on the backs of a few quick ones and driven a few scooters.
Helmetless used to be legal until some time in the sixties and you had to wear some sort of shades to protect your eyes.
I met a German in Algiers once just out of hospital. His big BMW bike's alloy front wheel had cracked at the ends of all three spokes after hundreds of miles of hammering up and down in the desert on those corrugated unmade tracks and he had gone thing over whatsitsname at some speed. He was looking forward to compensation from the company, and earnestly recommended traditional spoked steel wheels for long rough trips.
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Why do people buy convertibles ?
It could only be because a Berlingo doesn't have enough headroom.
;-)
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The amount of bikers *THAT DIE* on the roads of Cornwall *EVERY YEAR* is a tragedy, they are sooooooooo vulnerable on 2 wheels, a lot of it is down to farm vehicles exiting from field entances on blind bends, but some nutters do fly about with gay abandon.
My bike was a 40 year old custom type (sit up & beg) so I rarely went over 50 on a straight road ... I would ride as if every car driver was out to get me, i.e. on the defensive - THINK BIKE !
I know I may have led a sheltered life (haha) but to ride a decent motorbike, in the countryside, on a nice summers day - sure takes some beating pard'na.
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A 40 year old CX500 ? Came out around 77 didn't they ?
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Sorry about that pug, I've only just clocked your question : )
Yes - they did come out about 77 and stopped production in the mid 80's.
They were used a lot by couriers as they had a reputation for going on and on and on.
The one I had was the Custom model which was imported from Iowa.
I'm not really a biker (as such), I was more into Lambretta's in the late 60's early 70's although I have owned a Suzuki GT 250 and a Honda 550/4, I've never actually passed my test on a motorbike, I did take it once upon a time but they failed me on not looking behind on a right hand turn, which I found to be a dangerous - being a car (van & lorry) driver who relies on his mirrors.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_CX-500
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Two reasons that haven't been mentioned.
1. With modern hard top convertibles, you can't have the roof open if your boot is full as you need to pull out a safety cover in the boot before you open the roof.
2. Convertibles depreciate much slower than hatchbacks or saloons. Eg. Peugeot 207 hatch future value in 3 yrs 40%, 207 coupe cabriolet is 56%(Autocar) so cost of ownership can be much lower.
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I'd be lying if I said that it wasn't nice wafting around the country lasnes on a hot summers day, but I think that living with almost any convertible 24/7/365 is too high a price for me.
I recently got an A4 convertible as a courtesy car which my A4 Avant was in the garage. This is acknowledged to be one of the classiest convertibles around, but compa red to my hard top A4 it was like a totally differnt car.
Everything 'moved around' or flexed even when driving on a motorway, and they are heavy too. I could not put up with this and this is an A4, just imagine what a French convertible must be like - shudder !!
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