Anything special for 5k ? - Pugugly
Mooching around some dealerships today, the thought occurred to me that I could, for 5k, have a bit of automotive fun.

What set my wallet tingling was a 52 reg Jaguar X-type with a petrol V6 - very nice car proper wide Jag alloys made the sometimes awkward stance of the car look right, it had full leather, the sticker price was 5.3k with MoT, Tax and 12 months warranty. I reckon I could easily get that for less than 5 grand - should I have some fun.

What went through my mind as I was looking at it was a comment Mrs P made, her usual savvyness dropped for moment. We had just met a couple at a concert, we walked with them to the cars, they got into an 03 X-type, she turned round to me as we clambered, our then, recently acquired Skoda - and commented as to how well off they must be (there was no envy !) in that sort of car. Not realising that the Skoda was worth at least twice the value of their Jag.

Persuade me not to buy something like this !
Anything special for 5k ? - jbif
What set my wallet tingling was a 52 reg Jaguar X-type with a petrol V6 - ..... . I reckon I could easily get that for less than 5 grand - should I have some fun.


You may well reckon right! 05 reg for £5700 according to today's auction report on the right.
www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/item.htm?id=4848
Jaguar X-Type 2.1V6 SE auto, 05 reg, 97k miles £5,700s

Anything special for 5k ? - pd
If you don't mind something which likes a drink and has £400+ VED then there are loads of interesting cars available for £5k or under.

Some of them on quite late plates if you shop carefully too.
Anything special for 5k ? - pd
That Jaguar was dead on book (CAP Clean is 5675) so not a bargain compared to no doubt others out there. Last month it booked at 6325.
Anything special for 5k ? - Pugugly
Which one the Auction one or the one I saw ???

I think they'd have bitten my hand off for 4.8k !
Anything special for 5k ? - Pugugly
Same trip I happened by a friendly BMW dealer (see X6 thread) as I rattled around the punterless showroom I thanked my wife's expensive training for suggesting I dumped the 535d last November - Now dear, what a tomorrow's lottery numbers ?
Anything special for 5k ? - pd
BMW, Audi and Land Rover dealers in particular seem to be inundated with cars at ther moment, all on quite late plates and all with no interest whatsoever.

If you want some examples, CAP knocked 10% off pretty much any A6 petrol in one month, 10% off 6-Series values, over 10% off the already unsaleable Freelander...but most interesting off all 30% (yes, that's thirty) off a ZT 4.6 260 V8 in one month.

All 3 year old 05/05 with 60k. Other notable ONE MONTH drops for the same year:

S-Type: down 9%
Citroen C8: down 8%
Mondeo Diesel: down 7%
Jeep Chorokee Petrol: down 11%
Merc S Class: down 13%
Pug 407 petrol: down 8.5%
Saab 95 petrol: down 9%
Subaru Legacy: 7%
Vauxhall Vectra: down 12
VW Tourag petrol: down 8.5%
VW Beetle petrol: down 11%

These are drops literally from one day to next.






Anything special for 5k ? - ForumNeedsModerating
I certainly won't persuade you not to - in fact, I'm assailed by similar thoughts too.

The X-type 3.0 AWD looks quite enticing & they're usually specced up with leather, big alloys & other bits & bobs. One would imagine these in particular with gather an increasing downward velocity in the price guides in the coming months. I would plump for a manual in a dark green metallic with mushroom/beige leather, with sunroof & cd changer if poss. & full JSH of course.
Anything special for 5k ? - MichaelR
Why not get back into a BMW and rescue a facelift E39 5 Series before it gets bought by an undesireable and ragged around a council estate on 20 inch wheels?
Anything special for 5k ? - pd
The auction one.
Anything special for 5k ? - Pugugly
Mmmm don't tempt me, that money is burning a hole in an ISA !
Anything special for 5k ? - jbif
Mmmm don't tempt me that money is burning a hole in an ISA !


S types are very tempting too.

Anything special for 5k ? - Avant
Go for it. I think this isn't as illogical as it looks.

- You want some fun.
- You can afford a sum that could buy fun.
- The 535d mightn't have been cost-effective as a 'daily driver', whereas the Skoda is.
- The Skoda does a good job, as Skodas do, and with reasonable panache - but it gives you about 90 % of what you need.
- It seems to make perfect sense to spend £5k on the 10 % - probably only a few thousand miles a year but they'll be fun ones. A sort of 'Sunday-best' car perhaps.
- The advantage of a Jaguar over a BMW or a Mercedes is that you'd get a newer one for £5k, but with a similar feeling of opulence and well-being.
- On the other hand Roger Jones who posts here quite often seems to get a lot of enjoyment out of several elderly Mercedes coupes.
- And if I were a betting man the smart money might still be on your going back to a 5-series - a petrol one perhaps for a low mileage?

Have fun!

Edited by Avant on 07/06/2008 at 01:34

Anything special for 5k ? - MichaelR
Nothing beats popping into town with the assistance of a Bavarian 3 litre straight six. Not even doing the same thing in a Mondeo with a Jaguar badge thats 12 months newer.
Anything special for 5k ? - madf
If you can afford to wait:

the economy is going to slow more
lots of people will trade down from expensive cars
no-one wants 25mpg when petrol is £1.45/litre - it will be sometime soon

So take the next 6 months to decide and start to seriously think of buying when the first big car distributorships go bust. Cos then the receivers will flood the market.

Ideal timing? March 2009.

Of course thinsg may get really bad. So March 2010 may be better still.
I reckon anything over 5 years old and under 25mpg may halve in price secondhand in the next two years.

I can buy a 3 years old Bentley Continetal with 25k miles for one third of the original purchase price. (If I could and wanted to afford it).

So a five year old car on that basis whould be 20% or lower of purchase price... and immaculate.

It ay very well happen, believe me. I remember 1973. This may be as bad..
(Then a 1 year old XJ12 Jaguar could be bought for 40% of new price - if you were hard nosed ).
Anything special for 5k ? - Pugugly
I just thank Mrs P that we binned the BMW when we did - there were several dusty 5 series in the dealer's with highly optimistic price tags, I'd take a bet they'll still be there in 3 months time.

March 2009 is going to be a good time for me to buy - an unexpected outcome of my retirement is an investment made many years ago maturing (we'd misfiled the paperwork on it)

Edited by Webmaster on 08/06/2008 at 01:09

Anything special for 5k ? - Alby Back
Just a thought PU. It would seem that the Roomster fulfills most of your needs? For the want side of the equation, have you considered one of those car club memberships where you get to have a shot of a variety of fancy kit a few times a year? Strikes me that if you bought the likes of the Jag you mention that the irrational side of any normal petrolhead would soon start to justify spending a bit more in six months time and again in a year and so on until you were back where you started? With the club system you would get to play with some very serious toys at a fixed cost. Like I say, just a thought.
Anything special for 5k ? - jbif
.. there were several dusty 5 series in the dealer's with highly optimistic price tags, I'd take a bet they'll still be there in 3 months time.


tinyurl.com/5e9m6s
"According to Glass's Guide, .... used cars are now forecast to fall by 25 per cent during 2008 as a result of the proposed increase in vehicle excise duty and the impact of the global credit crisis.

Models predicted to be worst hit include the Renault Espace, Audi A6, BMW 5 series, Ford Mondeo and Ford Galaxy. ....

Under personal contract purchase plans, offered by most car dealers, motorists are offered a minimum guaranteed future value (MGFV) for their vehicles. ....
.... motorists coming to the end of purchase plans face the prospect of having to pay more for their vehicle than it is worth. Alternatively, they can hand it back but will have no deposit for a new model. "

Anything special for 5k ? - Gromit {P}
Not a bad idea, PU.

Why not limit the spend to a sum you won't mind losing completely (view it as a hobby). Say you spend £2000 on a toy, the market collapsed completely, and you end up trading it in for £250 when you were done with it. I'm just picking figures at random here, and being very pessimistic. But if you've spent the price of a golf club / gym membership / the weekend away you'd have had otherwise and you've enjoyed the car, you wouldn't be smarting.

I'd suggest with rising fuel prices and falling demand for thirsty cars, the same principle applies whether you're spending £500, £5,000 or £50,000. If you want to see anything back come trade-in time, think carefully about what the next buyer will expect!
Anything special for 5k ? - Mapmaker
What if oil prices fall again? (If 60% of the price is pure speculation, then they will.) Then gas guzzlers will rise in price. Personally, I hope prices will stay high. I can afford to drive; the roads are quieter.

If I wanted "fun", I'd go for a bargain "classic". I keep banging on about late nineties A6s, V6, 2.8 quattro avant for no more than the cost of a tax disc. Or a slightly older Audi 80 coupe. Or an imprezza - if you're spending your time on Welsh roads, 4-wheel drive will make a difference. MB 123 or 124 coupe?

Whatever, I wouldn't go for a re-badged Mondeo, PU - isn't that what the Jag is. 5k is way too much to spend on another depreciating ghastly euro box. You might as well have kept the BMW and not bothered with the hairshirt Roomy that you don't like very much. MGB? MG Midget?

Edited by Mapmaker on 11/06/2008 at 11:38

Anything special for 5k ? - tyro
Whatever I wouldn't go for a re-badged Mondeo PU - isn't that what the Jag is?



Apparently, not everyone thinks so:

www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?v=e&t=60...7

("That 'rebodied Focus / Mondeo / Vectra / Golf' jibe is just lazy - and, let's be honest, rather boring now that it must be approaching its tenth birthday.")

And if referring to a Jag as a re-bodied Mondeo is inaccurate, then referring to it as a re-badged Mondeo is even less so.

A Peugeot Partner could be called a re-badged Berlingo, but that is somewhat different.
Anything special for 5k ? - Cheeky
Yep agreed. Anyone who jumps on the 'X Type is a only a Mondeo in tarty clothes' bandwagon is sadly misinformed. The two cars share the same engine block and really that is where the similarity ends. Jaguar engineered the suspension, later model brakes, and of course interior and trim. The diesel variant on the TDCi It's a sad day that there are so few truly independent car manufacturers out there today, but Ford/Jag/Volvo are in the same boat as VW/Audi/Skoda/Seat/Bentley and Mercedes/Chrysler etc.

The X type is a nice car, certainly sharper and feels more upmarket than the Mondeo, which is in itself a good car. £5k seems OK, go lower if you can and enjoy yourself.
If you bag a 2.1litre version you have no AWD transfer box worries as associated with 2.5s and 3.0 variants.
Anything special for 5k ? - drivewell
Pugugly

As I see it, this will not be your main 'runner', but just something nice to go out in.

Know what I would do? Find a really nice '96 or '97 X300 3.2 6 cylinder. Hold out for an Executive spec. You will have a car that you can insure as a 'classic', your VED will be, IIRC, £180 (not quite sure), and you'll have one of the most reliable Jaguars ever made. And it shouldn't cost anymore than £3000 (and possibly a good deal less).

I would have one, were it not for the fact that my particular vocation does not sit well with driving that sort of car (or should I say, the perceptions that some folks would have of clergy driving luxury cars.... mind, you, I could spend 4 or 5 times that on a base model Mondeo, and no one would bat an eyelid - funny old world!)
Anything special for 5k ? - Group B
Find a really nice '96 or '97 X300 3.2 6 cylinder.
insure as a 'classic' your VED will be IIRC £180 (not quite sure)


VED currently £185 for >1549cc registered before March 2001. Will increase to £200 in 2009; from 2010 onwards it will go up in line with inflation.

Thats if they dont change their minds and decide to double it in 2011?
Anything special for 5k ? - Mapmaker
[passionate rant]I'm sorry but it looks like a Mondectra - or indeed like any other car on the road today. It is a Eurobox. Jaguars used to be "different". They used to have style and class. Do the words William Lyons not mean something that makes the heart skip a beat? Does X-type?

The X-type looks like any other car on the street - I guess it's the existence of the estate that's the real killer. (Don't get me wrong, I like estates, but you don't buy a Jaguar because it's useful, do you?)

I just cannot believe that PU (normally a man of discretion and taste) finds that his wallet tingles upon seeing an elderly mundane motor. (And remember... he asked us to persuade him not to buy it.)


A 6 year old car, with all that can go horrrrribly expensively wrong. Basically 5k down the drain - worthless if something goes wrong. A warranty that's worthless (they never cover the things that go wrong). It's cheap now, it'll be much cheaper in 12 months time. And it's not as though he needs it.

Spend the money on a fleet of XJ6s, or half a MK ii. Or an MB coupé, or a Caterham or, or, or, anything but an ugly commuter car. It's supposed to be a "fun" car, PU, for crying out loud. Instead you're buying a well-worn naff executive car.



[/passionate rant]

Anything special for 5k ? - Big Bad Dave
I'm also surprised that an X-type floats your boat Pug, I'd side with the last few comments, albeit with more tact, and go for an XJ. A V8 though 98 onwards, the X308.

I took a 3 litre S-type out for a spin a few weeks ago which should have been a blast with 240 horses under the bonnet but it felt sluggish and heavy. Still nice though. I couldn't get excited about the X-type, if I were to spend five grand tomorrow on a weekend car it would be an XJ8 any day of the week for me.
Anything special for 5k ? - Westpig
[passionate rant]I'm sorry but it looks like a Mondectra - or indeed like any other
car on the road today. It is a Eurobox. Jaguars used to be "different". They
used to have style and class.


It does look quite different from other cars, particularly the front with the twin lights. They usually have wood and leather as well, which for me only the Brits do properly. Bung a few toys in and it's a pretty good car.
The X-type looks like any other car on the street - I guess it's the
existence of the estate that's the real killer. (Don't get me wrong I like estates
but you don't buy a Jaguar because it's useful do you?)


Why on earth not. Persuaded my wife to have one. She insisted on a diesel and we really needed an estate.... We both quite like it.
I just cannot believe that PU (normally a man of discretion and taste) finds that
his wallet tingles upon seeing an elderly mundane motor. (And remember... he asked us to persuade him not to buy it.)


Each to their own, surely.
A 6 year old car with all that can go horrrrribly expensively wrong.


There are some really good independents out there...and there's this really good site where you can check up on the common faults all cars have. It's called Honestjohn. Check the X Type, there's not that much to worry about in the big scheme of things.
Anything special for 5k ? - Mapmaker
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Surely all better ways to spend that money - with some chance of getting some of it back -and no doubt better and cheaper examples can readily be found at the moment.
Anything special for 5k ? - gmac
Persuade me not to buy something like this !


I think people have pretty much covered it however, I'd add if you want a Jaguar buy one but buy a proper one.
Some car companies make very good small cars and excel at this, I'm thinking FIAT, Peugeot and Citroën as examples. If someone asked you about BMW you would recommend a 5 series with a 6 cylinder engine minimum. I'm not saying a 3 series or 1 series is a bad car but think BMW excel from the 5 series with 6 cylinders.

If you're thinking "I want to experience Jaguar" and you bought an X-Type you would not be getting the real deal.
Anything special for 5k ? - Pugugly
Wise words - an XJS it is then ! Seriously - I may now look for a worthy 6 cylinder 3 or 5 series....I need the RWD fix.
Anything special for 5k ? - Shaz {p}
Don't know if you can wait a bit and find an XJR. That is a great car.
Anything special for 5k ? - DP
Don't know if you can wait a bit and find an XJR. That is a
great car


Seconded. I had a passenger ride in one of these (a P plate V8 version) and it gave me that lovely punch in the guts feel when the driver opened the taps. I still don't think I've ever been in anything that accelerates so relentlessly.

All the time you're in leather cossetted comfort with carpet piles thicker than in my front room at home. Lovely V8 burble as well, albeit quite heavily silenced.

My fear about owning one of these would be retaining my license. It just goes very fast with very little effort.

Cheers
DP
 

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