*Wearing* The Correct Gear - OAP
Advice required please.

As you can see from my handle, I am getting on a bit, so, at what age should I start wearing a hat when driving? :o)
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - normd2
don't do it OAP - my dad once gave me what has proved to be sound advice:
'steer well away from drivers who wear hats' - it would appear a hat gives them the right to ignore all other road users and most if not all of the rules. This seems to apply equally to Trilbys or baseball caps.

Edited by normd2 on 12/05/2008 at 16:52

*Wearing* The Correct Gear - Optimist
It must have been a thing with the previous generation. My dad was always wary of anyone who wore a hat, particularly a trilby, set right on the top of the head.

Personally, I'm always wary of those who wear their baseball caps back to front and want to turn them round so the peak is at the front. The heads, that is, not the hats.

However, OAP, should you go to the US you will find that all elderly geezers wear their baseball hats (peak forwards) while driving or engaged in any leisure pursuit. I don't think it's the law, but the freedom to do so is guaranteed by the constitution.
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - oldnotbold
I think when you've got a blower Bentley that you can wear whatever you like on your head. Until then, sans chapeau is most definitely de rigueur.
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - Lud
I saw an Atom on the road on Saturday (Top Gear loved it). But being little more than a very sophisticated and rapid two-seater roadgoing gokart, it would more or less force its driver to wear goggles at least, and a biker's helmet might be even better.
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - Lud
As for wearing hats in saloon cars, well, takes all sorts, and some people wear hats. I would say there was something sinister in someone never wearing a hat unless they were driving a saloon car.

I can't help wondering if HJ wears the titfer when driving or only for his mugshot.
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - Billy Whizz
what a lot of old tosh, he says, casting a glance at his smart black and tan Mercedes Racing baseball cap.
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - b308
Dad used to where a trilby when at work and a flat cap at weekends and hols, but when he retired he always wore the flat cap when driving, so there you go... flat cap....

Please, please, don't wear one of those dreadful baseball thingies, one of the worst american imports going....
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - Lud
Seconded, except that one more won't make much difference.

Really tattered ones look almost acceptable though.
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - Group B
I'm not one for wearing hats but could do with one for the gf's MX5. Its irritating, with sunglasses on, you still get dazzled by sunlight going down the sides of your specs. IMHO thats the only justification - when the car has no roof.

I suppose serial hat wearers get so used to them they forget they have them on?
I once left a building site, walked half a mile and got on a crowded bus, and it took me a few minutes to realise I still had a hard hat on. I had had it on for 8 hours and could no longer feel it on my head. When I took it off my hair was in a quite fetching, flat, matted style, apart from 6 triangular bits sticking up in a symmetrical pattern.

Edited by Rich 9-3 on 12/05/2008 at 18:20

*Wearing* The Correct Gear - oldnotbold
Wearing a hat has its side effects. As a kid I spent most summers on ponies - until I was old enough to drive, that is. No silly chinstraps on a riding hat those days, just a length of 1/2 inch elastic under the chin. Come summer's end I always had a white line down the side of each cheek just in front of the ear.

With pretty short notice I then went into a job that required me to wear a fetching green bone dome, with flip down smoked visor for those Top Gun moments. Very hot in summer, and if you were very unlucky, you'd puncture the gel-filled seal that went round the ear. This resulted in a warm, sticky fluid running down your neck, and inside the suit. They never seemed to go when wearing a dry suit with the tight neck seal, of course.
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - Optimist
I can't help wondering if HJ wears the titfer when driving or only for his mugshot. >>


Yeah. And has it been photo-shopped onto his head in the one above?
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - PhilW
Only two types of hat allowed when driving
1. Leather helmet as with Tazio Nuvolari, MANFRED VON BRAUCHITSCH or Carriaciola
tinyurl.com/3shuwq
or
2. Flat cap as with Jim Clark and Jackie Stewart (preferably not tartan though)

Even then only allowed in open topped sports cars

*Wearing* The Correct Gear - Lud
I seem to remember Fangio sometimes wearing a disreputable beret sort of thing, although he also wore those Nuvolari-style leather helmets.
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - PhilW
Lud,
Hope you mean this
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Fangio-MB-W196-3lMotor...g
rather than third photo down here!
tinyurl.com/54klou

*Wearing* The Correct Gear - Lud
Thanks for that PhilW!

I've never seen the giant polka-dot job. The one I remember was a black or navy coloured one of more normal dimensions. But perhaps I am imagining it.

There's some wonderful old slowed-down film of Fangio doing racing drifts. He makes it look incredibly easy, as if all you need is to go quickly and relax enough.

Edited by Lud on 12/05/2008 at 20:02

*Wearing* The Correct Gear - PhilW
Lud,
Like on youtube?
Try this
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPteFrpPueo
www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbBWeF_idn0
www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPteFrpPueo&feature=related
or just bung Fangio into youtube search - hours of fun
This is good - so many heroes - Fangio, Moss, Collins, Castellotti, Salvadori, Behra, Harry Schell in that Lancia - Ferrari
www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsGx0voy7aY&feature=related
Proper racing!

Your post reminded me that he wore what appears to be a cotton "flying helmet" early on in his career in that wonderful Alfa 158 (? - I still have a Dinky Toy of it, along with early '50s Maserartis and Ferraris - in those days I played with my Dinky Toys quite a lot!)
I could go on - and might spend a few hours tonight watching youtubes of 1950's GPs (too old to play with my Dinky Toy these days)
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - Billy Whizz
PhilW,
interestingly, two of those youtube videos are fakes! (#1 and #3 are actually the same: titled rFactor F1 1955 Fangio Drift) They are computer simulations, just look at the driver's hands in the in car-shots. But they are indeed well done, too well done.
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - PhilW
Do you know, I wondered about that - couldn't see the hands properly.
My fault - looked up the links rather too quickly and didn't watch the vids carefully enough - there are genuine ones out there honest - Sorry 'bout that!
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - Lud
The other two were great though PhilW. Thanks again.
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - Billy Whizz
quote from PhilW's link:
Stirling Moss, Fangio?s teammate with Mercedes and Maserati, observed, ?The skill hat that Fangio had was enormous...
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - Lud
You just put it on for savage but carefully-metered transmission abuse then HJ?
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - CGNorwich
"Only two types of hat allowed when driving"

Unless you're a chauffeur of course

Believe that London taxis are so tall in order that you can enter one wearing a top hat but I guess that's passengers only!
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - hypocrite
I'm not ashamed to say that I wear my ex tourist aussie bush hat in the middle of summer in open cars. And you can fold it to keep the sunburn off the back of the neck. In my much earlier days I got wind/sun burn driving my Triumph Vitesse Convertible all day cross country including motorways. Ouch.

I've been too old for a baseball for years but the glare without a roof is too much unless I had Dame Edna sunglasses...

And it has a tie-string under the chin so it isn't at risk at speed. Unlike the passengers baseball cap of the car I was following a couple of years ago.

Simon
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - doctorchris
So much headroom on my Panda I'm thinking of getting myself a tophat.
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - L'escargot
In the interests of safe driving you shouldn't wear a hat at all. A hat effectively increases the mass of your head and consequently if you wear a hat you won't be able to turn your head as fast. If anything you should seriously consider shaving your head to reduce your head-mass to a minimum.
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - Cliff Pope
And don't wear brown shoes in Town.


As an aside ref the thread title, I came across an enthusiast's guide to motoring written in the 1950s, and apparently then people never talked about the car being "in" a gear, but always "on".
I think it might derive from very early days when machinery changed gear by lifting belts or chains from pulley or sprocket, a bit like a cycle deraileur. I have never actually heard anyone use the expression "change down onto third" however. Maybe it was a dialect reserved for people who drove blown Bentleys in tweeds and goggles.
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - welshlad
no hat wearing in cars.....next you'll be telling me this 80's ponytail i have isnt gonna comeback in to fashion
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - madf
As I have grown more mature, my head hair has now reached sub prime levels.

Now I don't mind warm rain, but cold rain, or snow or frost means I HAVE to wear a hat. So in the winter mornings when it's raining, I wear a waterprood hat when walking or a baseball cap when running. If really cold - %C or lower, I wear a balaclava.

Of course when driving, I must remember to take a hat on wet days so the shapeless waterproof thing - like a battered trilby but less shaped.. may be worn .. by accident. (I grow forgetful).

It would be nice to think a hat was not essential but in the summer I get a sunburnt head:-(


*Wearing* The Correct Gear - helicopter
OAP - I suggest you build up to the hat wearing.....The process starts with you buying Werthers originals.....

Next its the string back gloves .......

Then its the pipe clamped firmly between the teeth ....

Then its the cardigan from the Edinburgh Wool shop

.....and finally you find yourself staring in to Dunns shop window at the trilbys thinking - that looks nice.

By then its too late , you have reached the bottom of the deadly downward spiral . :0)
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - welshlad
you forgot when you find over 50's life assurance junk mail informative not a nuisance
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - Pendlebury
Hang in there a bit longer OAP - unless of course you wear a baseball cap backwards.
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - L'escargot
If you want to look old then buy a hat, but if you want to look cool then buy a baseball cap with a big peak, F1 style. I'm old but I still like to look cool, innit!

Edited by L'escargot on 14/05/2008 at 08:49

*Wearing* The Correct Gear - Lud
People in baseball caps don't look cool, Escargot. They look like gormless yanks.
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - L'escargot
Yes m'lud. Whatever, innit!
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - jc2
Unfortuneately Dunns closed many years ago;something to do with lack of sales of hats!!!
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - mike hannon
Yes, the demise of Dunns was a disaster - I'm on my last deerstalker and pair of corduroy slacks with that famous label. Fortunately they look like lasting forever.
To return to the subject, last weekend I did quite a few miles (well, kilometres) in the sunshine at the wheel of my friend's LWB Defender station wagon and had a lot of fun. It even boasts a two-person tent on the roof rack! But once, to my horror, I found that because of the headroom inside I was driving while still wearing my Panama. Snatched it off straight away...
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - Cliff Pope
I think there is scope for a bit more research into the perceived characteristics of drivers wearing different kinds of hat.
As a lifelong non-hat wearer in any circumstances, let alone in a car, I have only recently decided to take the plunge and wear a panama on really hot days in the garden or beach. It is obviously an older person's choice, but manages to convey a subtle hint of debonair rougishness, perhaps something disreputable from long ago. Or so I like to think.
So I am intrigued by m-h's near gaffe of wearing one in the car. What kind of image would that portray, or perhaps betray? Might I be tempted to start calling policemen "Dear boy", like John Gielgud?
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - Alby Back
Reminds me of a large American of indeterminate age I knew when I worked in the south of Brazil. He sported a Panama, a bedraggled once-white linen suit and a cheroot. Add this to his intrigueing false leg and his penchant for Chivas Regal and you get the picture. His party piece was to get a steak knife and ram it into the wooden leg to emphasise a point particularly if there was someone new at the table. Seen grown men nearly faint at this point. He drove an ancient 911 in a sort of similarly perhaps once-white paint job. He always drove with the Panama on but with the sunroof open. The whole package sort of worked in rural Brazil but might not cut it in most British locations.
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - mike hannon
Just before I succumb to believing I am 'rogueishly debonair' I ought to admit that, hidden in the Prelude boot are a British waterproof trilby, a black Fedora and the aforementioned Panama - so I am prepared for all situations, but only when not in the car. Elsewhere I have a woolly bobble hat and a Thinsulate equivalent because it gets parky chopping logs here in the winter. And the deerstalker I wore for decades is in semi-retirement in the wardrobe after the French neighbours began to talk about me...
I guess it all comes from being forced to wear a school cap for years.
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - doctorchris
If your gearbox fails and they tell you the main problem is with reverse, then you are not "wearing the correct gear".
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - madf
Of course, one's selection of a car is based on its ability to allow one to enter and exit with dignity wearing a frock coat and tophat.

The Yaris just about would allow a tophat and I don't think it would catch on the sunroof when closed as the fitting are flush with the roof lining.

I think the last time I wore a frock coat was when we were married... when I was much younger :-(
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - PhilW
"Of course, one's selection of a car is based on its ability to allow one to enter and exit with dignity wearing a frock coat and tophat."
No probs in a Berlingo - and what else would I wear driving such a car??

*Wearing* The Correct Gear - bathtub tom
>>I think the last time I wore a frock coat was when I was much younger :-(

You'd have a problem if the last time was when you were older!
Unless of course your name was Cher ;>)
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - gordonbennet
All this talk of apparel has got me wondering, will i have to go back up over the border to replace my harris tweed jacket and waistcoat.

I sneakily keep trying to get a matching flat cap, but swmbo seems tuned to my 'meldrew' instincts and puts the boot in, i am tempted by some of the more stylish trilby offshoots as well.

Tell me quietly fellow members of the 'i'll dress how i jolly well want to club', where can i go to get some decent tweeds apart from a shooting lodge?

(motoring link) plenty of headroom for all sorts of titfers in the hilux, another good reason for buying it.
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - frazerjp
I've worn my black beanie hat many times whilst driving in the winter months, never thought it had had any effect on my driving to be honest.
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - RaineMan

Wear a hat when driving? Being slightly above average height I find the majority of cars lack headroom let alone hatroom! This was less of a problem when I started driving so it seems as cars have got larger they have got lower, because I have not grown in the upward direction.
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - jc2
No-one has mentioned the BERET-Army or French.
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - Cliff Pope
A beret, army style anyway, I think possibly is the exeption to the general rule that wearing a hat in a car adds 20 years to one's age and driving style.
Thinking of those military landrovers one sees on the A40 near Sennybridge, it suggests a tough no-nonsense ownership of the road, preferably in a large but rather shabby vehicle with galvanised bumpers and clad in shovels, coils of rope etc, and with vertical exhausts. Those drivers are fearless.

For even more subtly restrained toughness, how about a close-cropped hairstyle and the beret rolled up in the shoulder strap?
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - madf
" the general rule that wearing a hat in a car adds 20 years to one's age and driving style"

Well if that's the rule, then I should have an old age pension backdated for over a decade:-)
*Wearing* The Correct Gear - OAP
Many thanks for all the interesting replies and for some good advice. Without hesitation I award first prize to Helicopter. The only thing he didn't mention was that I ought to be driving a Honda Jazz but perhaps he knew from previous posts that I already do that.

I must confess that this started out as a tongue-in-cheek thread following a joke which MBH and I shared about the need to beware of drivers wearing hats (hence the smiley in the OP) not anticipating that it would arouse so much interest.

I have never been a hat person because a size 7.1/4 hat on a 5'6" body tends to look all hat but back in the 50s I had to wear something on my head when riding my Lambretta so a cloth cap was the answer. Imagine 21k miles with just a cloth cap for protection! Skid-lids were few and far between.

However, I must just tell you that recently I could not resist buying a trilby which caught my eye at John Lewis. There was a choice of two styles....one with pictures of Lambrettas all over it and the other, which I settled for, was appropriately called the Surf Board Trilby. I no longer scoot but I still surf.

Unfortunately, this headgear is not shown on nthe JL web-site so if you want to be seen in what the well-dressed scooterist or surfer is wearing this season, I recommend a visit to your nearest JL branch.

Thanks again....OAP.