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I don't give a monkey's ...... unless it's the driver who's doing the mooning!
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You kindly offer to take the mother-in-law out for a nice drive in your new X5......
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Ok then - yobbish, low-life behaviour showing complete disrespect towards the mobile camera operator. I don't approve and reckon he should be done for indecent exposure.
No driving offence so presumably he was mooning at a policeman for the fun of it. Must remember to do the same next time I see a policeman patrolling the street, or at approaching police cars, or how about traffic wardens or maybe any other "figure of authority" - I know a mgistrate or two - how about them, or a teacher- plenty of them about?
Now, if he had mooned at Gordon Brown, I might fell differently!!
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>>>>>>Police may take action against the man for public order offences and not wearing a seat belt.
I will fully support the Police if they choose to take such action against this man.....BUT only if they deal with the following problems first:
Teenage Chavs with moronic parents terrorising neighbourhoods
The same group of muppets stealing cars and endangering the lives of the rest of us
Foreigners who have no valid licence to drive here, let alone insurance cover.
IS IT ANY WONDER our insurance premiums rocket every year when the so called Police force chase someone who bares his backside rather than concentrate on the law breakers who CAUSE accidents?
Little wonder the criminals wave two fingers at them isnt it????
The lunatics have taken over the asylum......................
Edited by Dynamic Dave on 06/05/2008 at 01:17
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I thought this thread was going to be about mats!
>Teenage Chavs with moronic parents terrorising neighbourhoods
>The same group of muppets stealing cars and endangering the lives of the rest of us
Well, with role models like the person in the passenger seat of that car... you know the rest.
I'd be interested to know how/by who the photo was released!
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I will fully support the Police if they choose to take such action against this man.....BUT only if they deal with the following problems first:
Teenage Chavs with moronic parents terrorising neighbourhoodsThe same group of muppets stealing cars and endangering the lives of the rest of us
Stu,
Long years of experience of the criminal justice system has taught me the type of guy who bares his backside in this manner will be the same type of guy who behaves as above.
That's why those on here who support his actions are so wrong
Edited by Dynamic Dave on 06/05/2008 at 01:17
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If you read my original post, not once in my original post did I say that I supported this individual in what he did.
I was making the point that this event in itself did not constitute a major offence but as usual the Police feel justified in making a big issue of it .
Personally, I would rather see a bare snipof some mildly inebriated teen hanging out of the side of a car than an equally unattractive face of of yob who was high as a kite on all sorts and out of control of somebody else's pride and joy just waiting for a fatal accident.
Edited by Pugugly on 06/05/2008 at 00:03
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If I'd just glanced at this photo without seeing an article or this thread, I'd have thought the airbag had gone off.
If it was a cam-van, then unless this passenger always travels like this (unlikely, on balance, unless a member of a rugby team) it suggests driver and passenger saw van, drove round, and came back prepared to be photographed.
This suggests a degree of organisation uncommon in our young people these days and to be applauded, therefore.
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Both parties involved in this speak volumes about what's wrong with this country.
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A little light relief to brighten the dark days of 21st century motoring, and something that doesn't actually seem to cost money - Amen to that!
This might stem from the curious tradition of mooning at Amtrak trains, which started in the USA about 30 years ago and has become a well-established annual ritual ("Moonamtrak" website - ends with .org).
Quoting from the page.... "After 8pm, Night Mooning starts. Bring a flash light with plenty of batteries, or better yet, bring a Coleman propane or gasoline fuel camping lantern..:"
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just a thought, could it be something that the driver used to stick his satnav to the windscreen?
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You are quite wrong ifithelps. No doubt some chavs show their bums, but so do drunk and otherwise uncriminal young rugger players and the like.
I doubt if there's much genuine correlation between slightly offensive jokey behaviour and criminal or anti-social behaviour. They are completely different things.
And I don't think the clear majority here is supporting this behaviour exactly. Just saying they aren't upset by it.
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If you have ever tried to change into bathing gear while sitting in a car you will applaud the performer's physical agility, especially if he (she?) managed it while remaining belted.
The picture is being published by Interpol to see if anyone recognises the offender.
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The police are right to be involved ..... looks like the actions of a crack dealer!
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I thought it was highly amusing, personally.
I find something heartwarming in these sporadic efforts to demonstrate the public's true feelings towards speed cameras. It's all very British. :-)
Cheers
DP
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Hopefully the authorities will do the same as the passenger in the car - turn the other cheek.
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It will surely be quite difficult to secure a conviction for offensive behaviour, because the prosecution would have to prove that someone was offended.
I remember that case of the man who insisted on walking around Britain in the nude. No one actually cared.
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> I remember that case of the man who insisted on walking around Britain in the
> nude. No one actually cared.
Apart from the authorities in Edinburgh, where he's been languishing in jail pretty much ever since, constantly re-arrested the minute he leaves prison in the buff.
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the authorities in Edinburgh where he's been languishing in jail pretty much ever since constantly re-arrested the minute he leaves prison in the buff.
Ifithelps: would Scotland be your bailiwick at all? I think we should be told...
:o}
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Re the Naked Rambler; I've a feeling that the sadistic Scottish authorities are merely detaining him until the peak of the midgie season.
When one considers that just an exposed arm can receive 3,000 bites an hour......
[He'll be begging for clothes within ten miles...]
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Lud wrote: >> >> I doubt if there's much genuine correlation between slightly offensive jokey behaviour and criminal oranti-social behaviour. They are completely different things.
Go to a crown or mags court every day for a year or two and you will see just how wrong you are.
I said 'years of experience of the criminal justice system has taught me', my post was not just plucked out of the air.
Of course, the guy in the pic may be the male equivalent of Mother Theresa in all other respects, it's just that years of experience has taught me...
Then if that counts for nothing, let's just stick to the ill-researched, uninformed world inhabited by m'luddo.
Edited by ifithelps on 06/05/2008 at 11:51
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there's people dying in the world.......why waste resources prosecuting someone in these circumstances.
it shows unprofessionalism on both sides
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As a matter of public policy, indecent behaviour of this sort ought not to be tolerated. It may be old fashioned to say so but there should be standards in life. If they are fool enough to serve up the evidence on a plate, are the police justified in using "discretion" to avoid action? I don't think so. Suspect that they are more likely than most to have other offences discovered.
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If they are fool enough to serve up the evidence on a plate are the police justified in using "discretion" to avoid action? I don't think so. >>
for me it would depend on how much time/energy it takes to find this person and to what level there is a prosecution. If it were to be a relatively simple enquiry and an £80 fixed penalty issued for a minor public order offence...then o.k.
however, if it took many hours of investigation (or even days) and a full case file, a CPS lawyer, court time etc, etc....then no
there are many other things going on that are fully under the 'crime' label, as opposed 'anti-social behaviour' label... and i'd rather that this was concentrated on first
it's got personal hasn't it. The safety camera partnership staff should be more professional IMO and take the 'slight' on the chin... but there again the whole safety camera outfit concentrates on often minor offences, whilst the biggest crook of the lot can sail past on false plates, unregistered vehicle, etc...
... and no i don't condone yobbish or boorish behaviour, i'd prefer they didn't do it.
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I agree Westpig, one wouldn't want people to be doing this sort of thing all the time. But they don't, do they? Even quite badly brought up people have an inhibition against self-exposure. They do it for bets or when drunk or if a bit crazed. Like streaking on cricket fields.
I have to say this isolated incident seems quite funny to me. If the camera partnership published the photo, why didn't they leave the car number in and give these chaps their well-deserved celebrity?
Come to think of it, the photo is a bit blurred but these chaps seem to be fairly heavily built and wearing navy blue anoraks of a not unfamiliar kind. Nice Beemer too...
:o}
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Come to think of it the photo is a bit blurred but these chaps seem to be fairly heavily built >>
you're on record stating you thought the 'lovely smile' might have been female?
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Wearing so to speak another hat in that post Westpig... trying to add to the general merriment in a disguised voice... I will not be deflected from the scandalous suggestion I am trying to make here...
Edited by Lud on 06/05/2008 at 16:15
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Old Bill, mooning? Never. That's almost as libellous as saying they'd do a camera with 'no hands'.
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> 'years of experience of the criminal justice system has taught me' >>
to pre-judge cases without waiting to hear the evidence, perhaps?
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Standards ?
dvd
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I thought the Forum swear filter wouldn`t allow for the common three letter word for bottom? Or a link to a picture of one?
Would things have been different if it was a utube link? Or does the *BBC* site linked to make it OK?
And I thought I was sitting here reading HJ Forum, AKA Telegraph? ;);)
Just amused, no need to reply ;)
Regards
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to pre-judge cases without waiting to hear the evidence perhaps?
Cliff,
Don't think I'm pre-judging anything, just using this incident as an example.
In general terms, I have found a link between this type of boorish, but barely criminal, behaviour and the next step up the offending ladder.
There are exceptions, of course. As I said earlier, this guy could be straight as an arrrow in all other ways.
Lud,
Scotland is not my bailiwick, but these days I do find Iran distressingly moderate.
Yours with the hangman's noose at the ready...
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