Unlawfully killed as a result of drunk driver Henri Paul.
Who would have thought that someone caning it through the city streets late at night with a few drinks inside him and passengers without seat-belts on might have been to blame for their deaths.....
Anyone care to guess how long before you know who starts an appeal?
Edited by Pugugly on 07/04/2008 at 18:15
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I read somewhere that the car, a 280, was a pretty rough old hotel hack as well. Mercedes took it away quite early on and no doubt gave it a clean bill of health.
Isn't it time someone sued Mohamed Fayed on behalf of the princess's heirs for subjecting her to his carp staff and carp old pool transport, under the orders of his son well known to be arrogant and unpleasant to his minions and liable to reduce them to a tense and nervous state?
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This RTC inquest cost some £10m+
I think a few BRs or even dogs in the street could have told you high speed, a drunk driver and not wearing seatbelts could be causes of the deaths of 3 people.
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Surely a contributory factor to the severity of the crash must have been the square-edged concrete pillars between the carriageways, and the lack of guard rails, which would have diverted the car back onto the road with much less damage.
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I think the pillar(s) are mentioned in the verdict, as are the chasing photogs, as contributory causes.
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Mercedes were devastated allegedly - you're not supposed to die in a Mercedes unless the accident is catastrophic (but I guess any accident that resulted in death could simply be declared to be catastrophic).
The only person wearing a seatbelt was the bodyguard - he was in the most badly damaged part of the car and he survived.
Edited by Bill Payer on 07/04/2008 at 18:35
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I cannot imagine why they didn't wear seatbelts - and can only surmise that it must be something to do with an attitude to such 'mundanity' that comes with high celebrity/fame. If they had, we might now be recalling the accident only for the appalling injuries to the bodyguard.
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"Mercedes were devastated allegedly .... the only person wearing a seatbelt was the bodyguard - he was in the most badly damaged part of the car and he survived. "
Mercedes back then and now are pretty safe - e.g. the pre-safe system in use now that closes windows, positions car seats ready for impact etc.
And yes the only survivor wore a seatbelt - a lesson to all of us maybe. My Mazda6 will drive anyone insane beeping if they don't buckle up and does so with anything on the unoccupied seats.
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And you think the damage incurred by the car agrees with the hitiing of the pillar? Good, because so did the inquest!
As to believing their driver was drinking! I just dont believe they would have got in the car if so!
Very expensive inquest to produce what was surely a known verdict anyway!
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yorkie
You're a conspiracy theory supporter?
Dr Murray McKay took a good look at the car, fully documented the scene and he saw nothing wrong. He calculated an impact speed of 74mph on and 10 off. Concrete doesn't take any prisoners. Freeze-frame the car on the truck as a flashbulb goes off and it all looks pretty kosher to me.
The angle of impact off the wall and on to the pillar was almost the worst possible; even a pro stuntman couldn't have replicated it twice.
Turn it round the other way. How could SIS have planned a hit in the midst of such ad-hoc chaos? Although Henri Paul was indeed one of their assets; he wasn't a suicide jockey and had never driven that car before.
If she'd put her seat belt on; this would have become a conspiracy to bruise the Princess of Wales?? Any plan to kill someone sitting in the back of a Merc limo, in a 30 limit, by crashing it - would have been laughed out of the tasking meeting. With good medical care she might even have survived her injuries.
If SIS wanted her dead, they would have carried it out with their customary efficiency - fake suicide note, "Goodbye cruel world - and the Sun" and a bottle of pills. It would have been plausible and undetectable - trust me.
Fayed has a major problem now; his driver, DIC of a car his hotel hired - I'll bet his insurers are looking nervous.....
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"Very expensive inquest to produce what was surely a known verdict anyway!"
Absolutely. But regardless of verdict three people are still dead. And the stress and emotional upset of the children/family. Irrespective of her being the mother of the future king, this has gone on too long and cost them too much emotionally. And over £10m too!
It was an accident. Even if the driver had been drinking (called back to work and should have said no!) he probably was not suicidal. And if they'd worn seat belts.... they might have survived like the bodyguard.
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I dont consider myself a conspiracy theorist screwloose, more a realist!
However, we are entitled to our opinions. The damage to me doesn't look right for that impact, and apparantly it was a big uno that altered its course! Hmmm, ok !
And as for the paparazzi; well if you and me were not buying the papers/mags with the latest pictures in they wouldnt have been trying to get the pictures.
As I said, result was obvious before the inquest anyway.
Too many unanswered questions (in the public domain) will never let this subject die (sic).
But secret services and actions dont exist do they anyway, so of course it couldnt happen!
Long live her memory whatever your opinion!
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Pity we couldn't have had this much time and effort put into a proper inquest into the death of Dr David Kelly! Another major source of material for conspiracy theories.
Edited by Armitage Shanks {p} on 07/04/2008 at 19:59
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Now now AS, surely not ???
As I said before, these things cant and therefore dont happen!
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Princess Diana crash, Dr. David Kelly, Climate change, Man on the Moon, Roswell alien, 20000k mile oil changes ...
All the usual conspiracy theorists present themselves in the backroom.
Edited by jbif on 07/04/2008 at 20:06
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yorkie
The story seems to be that the Uno was one of the paparazzi that was ringing the car - even the most skilled driver in the world couldn't have precisely guided the Merc on to that pillar with a nudge - far more likely that Henri Paul was having trouble keeping that knackered old sofa in a straight line and clipped it as he flew past.
I'm a realist too and accept that there are indeed many items of intelligence chatter that hold awkward questions. The Kintyre Massacre; David Kelley; the attempt to seal the Cullen Inquiry papers for 100 years; why the Iraq invasion wasn't supposed to actually happen - all sorts. [As for JFK.......]
Sadly for Diana [and I'm a realist about her true nature too, after talking to a good friend of her grandmother's] this was a drunk, registered alcoholic, driver over-estimating his skill - as drunks commonly do. Given the known facts; it would have been quite surprising if he had made it through that nasty, dipping, tunnel entrance at 90, driving a waterbed.
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Anyone care to guess how long before you know who starts an appeal?>>
Don`t forget that Mr.Al Fayed lost a son.He is just doing what a lot of grieving fathers would do-if they had the money.
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Screwloose,
poor old dead henri paul.
You really (really) think that he would have been employed by who he was, and that there was only a beaten up old motor to be used?
The clientelle of that establishment generally would require top class cars and drivers; his son taking the worst available choice? Ok, if thats your opinion.
It doesnt do it for me.
Scapegoat imo. Rip.
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I think Elvis did it and rode off on Shergar.
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No Prince Charles asked Lord Lucan.
Regardless of how/what happened the outcome is the same and tragic. And if they had worn seatbelts even if someone did try running them off the road they might have survived, albeit with injuries.
Now if this was a conspiracy... would an ex member of staff of Fayed be involved?
Like the press this site should let this rest. We will never know what happened.
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Agreed. So unless someone can up with a good reason why not, this thread will be locked shortly out of respect, if nothing else.
Edited by Pugugly on 07/04/2008 at 21:10
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Good. The whole sorry sad fiasco is boring me. Now can anyone tell me which oil should I use?
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Ah well locked in the absence of any representations to the contrary.
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