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A sad business, unpleasant thuggish monkeys with nothing to occupy their minds, not intending real harm of course, just unpleasant and thuggish, and someone medically fragile, the sort of combination that has to be expected sometimes. Awful.
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not intending real harm of course >>
You use the PNC to track someone down and go round and throw a brick through his window and that's not intending real harm? I wouldn't want to see these two if they were out to get someone.
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Brick through window, schoolboy stuff, real harm is something else.
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Brick through window schoolboy stuff real harm is something else.
So if you (maybe unintentionally because you've got old and didn't notice) take the parking space which some woman thinks belongs to her, she takes your number, gives it to her husband, he suborns a policeman to use the PNC to get your address, enlists the help of another, comes round to your house and chucks a brick through your window, that's schoolboy stuff, is it? It's not. But describing it in those terms makes the low-lifes who did it think it's ok.
And what's Blair Peach got to do with it?
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Optimist: of course they are low-lifes, and of course they think it's OK to chuck bricks, suborn plod (how did they manage that I wonder) and get in an undignified tizzy about a parking place. It has nothing to do with me calling brick-throwing schoolboy stuff though. They are just that kind of person.
Blair Peach was accidentally killed by police who had been ordered to behave thuggishly towards demonstrators. These toerags behaved thuggishly towards someone who then died. They didn't want him to die or come to physical harm. If they had, they would have done more than chuck a childish brick through his window. It was an accident, like the death of Blair Peach. What's difficult to understand about that?
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Bliar Peach was killed by the police and no enquiry was ever held to establish whether malice was involved, or not. Most of the people arrested that day were bleeding from wounds inflicted during their arrest, by members of the Met's Special Patrol group.
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Blair Peach was accidentally killed by police who had been ordered to behave thuggishly towards demonstrators.
No, Lud, no.
You said it yourself: Blair Peach was killed by people ordered to behave thuggishly. No-one ordered this pair to go after this old boy or to throw a brick through his double-glazed window (which takes a bit of effort) they did it because they chose to and because they thought no-one could stop them. No doubt in their defence they said it was a schoolboy prank that went wrong. It wasn't. And I bet if the bloke who took the parking space had been a lot less frail and old they'd have thought twice before having a go at him.
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Optimist, you are being blinded by morality. Thuggish is thuggish, under orders or no .
'I was just obeying orders'.
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Red Lion Square I think, remember that? Thatcher's plod robustly knocking lefty demonstrators about to concentrate minds - may have been secondary picketing, may have been political proper, can't remember - and happened to whomp a Kiwi activist with a thin skull upside the haid with a baton, dead lefty, red faces in Met. It can happen when people are being thuggish, which is why it's something they should try to avoid being unless it's really needed. They don't necessarily mean it to wreak deadly harm, but it can. Quite right that they should be bounced around a bit to concentrate their minds in turn when it does...
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Blair Peach. We were soldiers once, and young.
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Good memory there PU... Wasn't Grunwick though was it?
Edited by Lud on 04/04/2008 at 23:32
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Anti Nazi demo - National Front electioneering. My claim to fame is I demod quite actively in those days, including a quite unpleasant meeting with the SPG in Grovesnor Square, but they weren't that thuggish. A colleague who is now a High Court Judge now had a motorbike helmet with a North Vietnamese Flag hand painted flag on it. I'll have to remind him when I see him next !
It was Anti Nazi that as well (Vietnam was all but a memory)
Edited by Pugugly on 04/04/2008 at 23:36
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Oh yeah, I remember... glad you were on the side of the angels PU, although not surprised.
I was never a keen demonstrator, more interested in what was going on than in helping it on its way if you see what I mean, and by the eighties I was fairly snooty about most of the activists I knew or came across, and indeed often actively disagreed with the discourse being put forward by my, er, comrades (the Falklands war was a watershed for me). But of course I have paid my dues in demos and riots like all red-blooded young idiots, and long may red-blooded young people remain idiots... If they weren't we'd be redundant, and people are already talking about euthanasia as a standard social practice. OO-er.
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Maximum respect PU: I went to ANL demo in Blackpool. Motoring link: passed a car full of demonstrators of "the opposite persuasion" on the M6 en route.... Interesting verbal banter! Give my regards to the High Court Judge...
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He is not liked by the New Labour establishment, he is a true Socialist and has tweaked some very long political noses in the last few years. Islington was a dump in them days.
Oh and "latte" was a mis-pronounced case of un-promptness !
Edited by Pugugly on 04/04/2008 at 23:58
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the two snip who got banged up for this act of brick throwing were given the address of the victim by a bent copper apparently.
don't try to defeat the swearfilter !
Edited by Pugugly on 05/04/2008 at 00:56
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I went on a few ANL demos too. Free buses laid on by the NUS, a nice day out. Usually a good-natured lot.
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I would of thought that providing the address of the man who died would of made you an accessory and as such the policeman involved should of been jjailed as well.
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I would of thought that providing the address of the man who died would of made you an accessory and as such the policeman involved should of been jjailed as well.
He was fined £2,000 under the Data Protection Act. He was sufficiently remote from the window incident.
Some might say he was lucky, but on t'other hand, if I sell you a knife and a week later you kill someone with it I would be a bit hacked off to be charged.
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It's not illegal to sell knives though. I personally think that Police who break the law should be punished more severely than members of the public who commit equivalent crimes, as they should be setting an example. Rarely seems to happen though.
Edited by krs one on 06/04/2008 at 10:55
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It's not illegal to sell knives though.>>
It is to children, so in my example, had I sold the knife to a child, I could be done for that, but not for what the child went on to do with the knife.
As regards giving police who break the law extra punishment, that rather goes against the idea of all men being equal before the law.
All I would say, having seen many coppers in court over the years, is that a serving polis might get a little, and I mean a little, bit more than you or I.
Now, were you to ask a random selection of policemen, they would tell you they get hanged for stealing an apple.
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This wasn't just a parking space that hurt their poor little ego, according to an article that I read the old gent dished out a very colourful verbal tirade at them in the car park (this seems to have been omited from this update). I reckon this will have annoyed them somewhat as well.
Before anyone thinks I'm justifying what they did, I'm not, they're thugs who are better off locked up, but it does go a little further to explaining how they felt offended enough to resort to such actions, not that it excuses them.
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This wasn't just a parking space that hurt their poor little ego according to an article that I read the old gent dished out a very colourful verbal tirade at them in the car park >>
Not quite, it was one of their wives who got the abuse, so these two were acting like the chivalrous gents they clearly are.
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Ah the hallowed days of youth.
I was on the ANL demos as well.
To be honest the National Front were a side show. About 100 of them marched and then disappeared and then the police and us lefties went at it.
Do not mean to excuse anyones actions or diminish the death of Blair Peach but both sides were well up for it.
If your not a leftie at 18 you don't have a heart if your still a leftie at 25 you don't have a brain.
Back to the OP I believe the copper that supplied the details resigned to avoid being sacked.
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Just been watching the "Olympic Torch" thing. Reassured to still be a leftie. (48 yrs)
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