Qashqai depreciation - Optimist
I'm considering a new Qashqai. Some motoring journalists suggest re-sale values will be poor. Some good. There aren't many used models about just yet and the pricing on those seems to suggest that values will hold up. Any thoughts or experience? Thanks.
Qashqai depreciation - mustangman
A few thoughts.

Have a look at somewhere like the carmagazine.com website. It will give you data on prices and expected value at 3 yrs old.
I had a look. The Qashqai figure looked pretty average, as you would expect for a high volume mid range car.

For purchase prices, broadspeed.com etc. will list all models. Discounts look smallish. ie better than say a Honda, but less than Ford / GM.

Hope this helps a bit............

MM
Qashqai depreciation - Bill Payer
Ask a Nissan dealer for a PCP quote.

This applies to the vast majority of PCPs, not just Qashqui:

The GFV will give you an indication of likely residual. The figure will shock you and probably put you off buying the car.
They will tell you that it's been set low to leave some equity in the car for you next PCP deposit but don't believe them - it's not true. If they could have set the figure higher, then they would have done as it would make the monthly payments look more attractive.

Be aware than any deposit paid on a PCP is immediately "lost" - you need to add that deposit to monthly payments to get the real monthly cost.

Edited by Bill Payer on 28/03/2008 at 11:15

Qashqai depreciation - colinh
Whilst Nissan have done well opening up a new niche, there are a lot of imitators getting ready to follow with these crossover-types. Ford, Alfa, Fiat, Seat, VW, etc., have offerings in the pipeline and in three years the market will be very competitive and saturated.
Qashqai depreciation - MVP
To work out what a car is going to be worth in 3 years you would need a crystal ball.

Was talking to a car dealer at a dinner party a few weeks ago - said cars used to half in value in 3 years, but now did it in two, partly because new cars were getting cheaper/better all the time.

Combine this with the uncertainty of oil prices/government taxation of motoring, and what the long time reliability will be like (e.g x-trail diesel was highly rated at 1st, but later developed seriose turbo problems), how can you guesstimate a value?

I reckon any money you spend on a car these days is dead money, just like buying a new suit - anything you might eventually get for it is a bonus

MVP








Qashqai depreciation - Pendlebury
I agree with MVP - alot of people have yet to realise the impact of what Darling has done recently with his taxation.
I understand that 2 weeks before the budget he had a review with the head of the AA and the tax increases were not even part of his thinking at that stage and the view is that they have not been thought through enough.
Once again he has demonstarted that there is no long term consistent strategy in the government's approach.
I would not buy a new car for along while yet because I just do not know what he is going to do next - anyone that does is very brave IMO.
I suspect there are a number of people thinking I will buy a small diesel and will be ok - but I am not so sure - diesel, lpg & hybrid buyers have all ended up paying alot more than they anticipated - and all that happens is he moves the goalposts to suit what he is thinking on the day.
Sit tight if you can is my advice.
Qashqai depreciation - oilrag
It could be a window of opportunity though to get into a car giving low emissions, before five year old 2 litre + used petrol cars become virtually worthless as the tax money has to be found.
I think a reaction to the increase will, for a lot of people, not occur until the tax renewal actually drops on the doormat.

I mean the modest income family man with his ageing but well cared for, low annual mileage large engined car.

I think there used to be a market in oldest 4 wheel drives for `personality issue` gents who have to sit taller than all around. Often seen sitting ramrod straight backed and blasting down the outer lane at 90mph pouring smoke.
Saw one last week, but they seem to be diminishing, perhaps due to fuel prices and the tax issue is going to take out the rest.

That`s the last owner of big cheap bombsite 4 wheel drives I`m referring to, (not earlier higher socio- economic owners ) but with that class of driver forced back into a regular car, doesn`t that send a shudder of depreciation right back up to the new vehicle?

Edited by oilrag on 28/03/2008 at 18:20

Qashqai depreciation - Pendlebury
I think you have it pretty spot on oilrag
Qashqai depreciation - Halmer
I paid £14k for mine and expect it to be worth about £5 to 6k in three years time if I'm lucky.

I paid £16.5k for my 'will hold its value' VW Passat and was offered less than £3k for it at 4.5 years old by the selling VW garage. FSH immaculate with less than 40k on the clock. So much for bothering to look after it properly.

Cars seem to fall in value more than ever nowadays but that's life.
Qashqai depreciation - ifithelps
'What is it?' was a comment I heard from one trader.

The motor trade is conservative and generally doesn't like anything a bit different, which suggests to me the Qashqai will be depreciated at least as much as anything else in the sector.

Aerodynamics of a brick, the diesel will barely do 40mpg.

Buy it if you like it, but I reckon you will need a decent discount to avoid taking a big hit at trade-in time.
Qashqai depreciation - Optimist
Some interesting comments and good advice. Thanks.

If all cars seem to depreciate rapidly as Halmer suggests, it must be that they're too expensive in the first place. I know someone who's just bought a 14 month old 1.8 Zetec Mondeo hatch for £9400. Theoretically at least, that car cost £17k so how can it only be worth £9k 14 months later?

I've looked at PCP and the figure is pretty horrific, but isn't that the case on all cars? At least in this country. Ifithelps is probably right on the view of the trade, though if you go to an auction it's interesting to see what the trade is after and what they'll pay.

I'm not sure it's the aerodynamics that drink the fuel. They're probably as good as the Almera (if that's a recommendation). It's a heavy car.

Decent discount is a good idea but Nissan have just gone to three shifts in Sunderland to make the things so people must be buying them.

Thanks again.
Qashqai depreciation - Bill Payer
If all cars seem to depreciate rapidly as Halmer suggests it must be that they're
too expensive in the first place.

I believe that to be true.
I've looked at PCP and the figure is pretty horrific but isn't that the case
on all cars?

Yes - but the scary thing is, there's a good reason for that. It's because that's all the car will be worth.
At least in this country.

It is baffling why we seem to have such high depreciation in the UK - we have such high new car prices and low used car values.
Qashqai depreciation - Optimist
A few years ago it seemed that car prices in "rip-off Britain" would fall with the possibility of imports from Europe. Some prices have fallen, particularly for smaller cars like Citroens, Peugots and Ford KAs but medium and larger list prices seem to hold up.

If BP is right and the three year price is all a car is worth, it must be too expensive as listed. And when a dealer in some brands supplies a broker, the manufacturer can threaten to take away the franchise, I'm told.

I can't see what the poor punter can do!
Qashqai depreciation - scott1s
IMHO PCP's are bad news. It is my opinion that all you actually do is finance (and pay interest) on depreciation. Coupled with any potential lost deposit then it makes it a pretty dumb way to buy a car. Been there, bought the tee shirt and can wear it now the scars have healed ;->
With regard to the lowering of new car prices a few years ago - all that in reality happened was that even though new prices did come down, used prices dropped further so as a consequence the gap to change became even wider than it was before. Another lose-lose situation for the UK motorist then. We are seeing the same thing happening in the property market too- the gap to change has become too great for many (myself included)
Back to the Cashcow - I am told that the trade can't get enough of them at the moment so depreciation is held in check. I am led to believe that they are holding mid fifties % after 3 years. Not my mug of pi$h, but a work colleague has one and it is a nice place to be.
Qashqai depreciation - Bill Payer
IMHO PCP's are bad news. It is my opinion that all you actually do is
finance (and pay interest) on depreciation. Coupled with any potential lost deposit then
it makes it a pretty dumb way to buy a car.


If you buy a car for cash then arguably it's even worse as you're financing the depreciation in advance.

I don't like PCP's either, but mainly because I think they're a trap. They're designed so that most people will get to the end of one PCP and then have little sensible option but to start another, so continuing the manufacturers desire to have everybody change their car every 3yrs.

I do think, though, that they can be a good deal, especially on cars that have a risky depreciation outlook (large 4x4's would be a good example right now). As interest rates are relatively low, they do offer a chance to lock in a known final value, which could well be higher than the car ends up being actually worth.

Now and again there are deals where the final value is set stupidly high - Citroen had a deal on C1's recently where the final value was about £4500. Together with no deposit, that meant you could effectively hire a C1 for £99/mth for 3yrs. If you're starting off with nothing, then that's not a bad deal.
Qashqai depreciation - Pendlebury
That is exactly what they are scott - you are doing nothing more than buying depreciation and paying a healthy interest rate for the privilige.
It was a tool to satisfy the "I want it NOW - at all costs" brigade and sums up today's economy in the UK.
The example people are set by the government is debt, debt, debt.
Mind you we are all going to be paying for it now that it has caught up with everyone in this so-called credit crunch.