Late last year I sold my car after months of watching its value slip. The purchaser paid cash and in my haste and excitement at having sold gave him the entire V5 and took no note of his address.
You've guessed it, I'm starting to receive penalty charge notices for parking offences. I'm worried this can only get worse. I have checked all my paperwork and have no evidence or proof of sale although my insurers can confirm change of vehicle details.
Any ideas for the best way to close this one with the DVLC etc?
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The onus on you not only to notify DVLA on the acqusition of a motor vehicle, but also to notify them forthwith of the sale.Failure to do so is an offence.
They go to great lengths to help you through VE5 Registration Document which you have ignored.
IMHO it is now grovel time so send them a letter explaining what has happened.
Further, advise the parking people that you have not been the owner since ? Whether or not they believe you is another matter.
Do a search on parking. There is some good advice on the procedure and adjudicator for penalty tickets.
Next time save yourself the hassle and read the documents you get with vehicles.
DVD
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I think that when you sell a car the new owner is only registered when they notify DVLA by sending in their part of the document. This situation must happen quite often when documents are lost in the post
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If the new owner has not bothered to register themself as Keeper with DVLC then the chances are that he has not bothered to tax or insure it either.
Might be worth asking DVLC if it is currently taxed.
Unless you can persuade the authorities that you really did flog it the hassle could be huge.
Did you pay the proceeds into your bank account as a separate item? That might support your story.
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Might be worth rejuvenating this thread, if only to remind people how important it is to let DVLA know you have passed a car on.
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Last 3 or 4 cars I bought I have always got every part of the V5. Does anyone do it properly?
I was always taxed MOTed insured but still didn't send in form until next tax time so sometimes 8 or 9 months before did. Not uncommon, so try remember when the tax ran out.
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Easily done, first time at least. I sold a car and the trader talked me in to not sending in the V5 so there would be one less owner on the documents (and possible keep it off his books), he sold it on and the new owner did not register it and ran up speeding tickets galore. Hell of a job to sort out, eventually got the name of the new owner from the trader and gave this to all and sundry and it all went quiet but took some prising out of the trader. My experience, essentially they did not give up until I gave them someone else to go after.
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Current V5 change of ownership has a section for sale to dealer.. not NOT show up as an extra registered owner.
madf
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Only slightly off-topic.
A few years ago I sold a car to someone who didn't give me his address. I registered the sale by sending my half of the V5 to DVLA and had no problems. Six months later, the buyer knocks on my door, says he has written off the car and asks me to provide him with a receipt so he can prove he was the owner (to the police? insurance?). Since I had given him a receipt once, I gave him another with DUPLICATE written all over it.
It's always puzzled me how he had insured and/or taxed it in the meantime.
Ian
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I'm confused Ian - you don't need a receipt or have to prove ownership to tax or insure a car.
Martin
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You don't need a V5 to insure a car, although one of the standard questions they ask is if the car is owned by you. If you couldn't prove that it was and you did need to make a claim, a particularly nasty insurance company might refuse to pay out - but it's highly unlikely.
Presumably Ian's point is that the buyer hadn't bothered getting a new V5, or he would have relied on that instead.
You do need a V5, or at least a reminder (which is sent out to the holder of the V5) to tax a car though - but this was only introduced this February. It's a security measure to stop people from taxing ringers.
Finally, it's worth pointing out that it's an offence for the former keeper not to inform the DVLA of a change of ownership. Liability on this is strict, so if it gets lost in the post, it's pretty much tough AFAIK. The fine is usually in the region of £200, so it's possibly worth sending it recorded delivery so that, at the very least, you can chase it up if doesn't get there.
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The Recorded Delivery 'service' is really not suitable for important items ! RD mail is handled in the normal manner and I've personally had a number of RD items go astray which have turned out to be untraceable - i.e. no signature to confirm delivery and no record of the item other than the original receipt obtained at the time of posting !
Special Delivery is a far better service for sending important or valuable items and well worth the extra couple of quid it costs. SD mail comes with a standard compensation limit (£250 IIRC, which can be increased if required) it can also be insured for conseqential losses resulting from its loss. When I send anything important I always send it SD and it's never failed me once! (I'm touching wood now).
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Fairly common way of justifying the value of a car, and a wirrten receipt from you wouldn't have satisfied anyone official with ownership doubts. They would have contacted you.
However, an Insurance Company might just accept it.
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Likewise, with speeding and parking tickets. Each time I replied explaining I'd sold it to an unknown trader and heard no more.
Finally a breaker called and said they'd picked up the car as it had been abandoned - did I want it back? Was it worth anything I asked? No they said, so I just said scrap it...
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Hmmm. Rather bizzare is'nt it that to buy a new numberplate you have to not only produce the V5 but also an item of identification with your picture on. Yet you can buy a second hand car for cash give any old details then cause no end of problems!!!! Seems that there should be some tightening up.
How about Police or other agency validating a sale - purely from an ID point of view...... No lets go the whole hog and validate the authenticity of the vehicle. MOT status and insurance cover by the new owner. Save loads of problems and get some vehicles off the road. No come on now wake up FC thats too much like common sense!
Fullchat
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Austin,
It doesn't seem to be a problem look at DVLA web site on www.dvla.gov.uk. Under the frequently asked questions section is one on what to do if you are being bothered by about a car you no longer own. Sounds very understanding to me.
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Girl I sold my last car to didn't get a receipt / V5 'lost in the post' when she sold it on. One evening she got a phone call from the Police asking if she knew that her car was *inside* a newsagent.
She's still sorting out the problem with both the newsagent's insurer and the Police.
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