Thats my point, I was also under that impression.
Rgds.
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Many years ago, I had a nasty gash in a sidewall repaired by a specialist. SWMBO was learning, and I didn't feel like buying a new tyre every time she kerbed it.
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I got the impression that you had been told that this damage could be repaired and were seeking opinions as to the adviseability of having it done! It appears to be against the law so No and the people you spoke to don't seem to be very well informed!
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Dear AS.
I appreciate your concern but having been told, out of the blue, that a facility to repair sidewall punctures was available ( a proceedure that I was under the impression had been effectively outlawed ) I posted the question to find out,
1, If anyone could confirm if this was infact the case or not?
2, If the facility is available, if anyone has used it and could comment on its effectiveness or its success or failure?
Thanks and regards.
Edited by Petel on 04/03/2008 at 22:52
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hello there we do tyre repairs at work but are not allowed to repair sidewalls and would not even consider this an option . my advice would be get some tyres from a local salvage yard or replace with cheap remoulds
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Thanks k341sjr.
I replaced the tyres with brand new this PM.
I might ( repeat might ) consider the local scrappy for a pair of tyres for my own car but not on someone elses.
You also mention " cheap remoulds "
Was told today by two tyre places, that these too are now outlawed.
Rgds.
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Petel I don't wish to seem to be misunderstanding with you (again) but remould tyres are fully legal as a Google search will reveal! However they are generally not recommended. Oddly enough most high performance/load aircraft tyres, military and civil, are remoulds!
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Thanks again AS.
I am aware that remould tyres are available, I presume that the tyre places were just taking advantage of a bad situation and trying to get me to buy from them because I was in a hurry. In fact, it was one of the two who gave me the highest quote ( way higher than any of the others ) for the supply and fit of the tyres.
As to aircraft tyres, I used to work on maintaining Herc's
As to the question of sidewall repair, I will be calling at the place where the chap made the statement on Thursday PM, taking one of the tyres with me. Will report on what I find out.
Thanks again, Petel
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Yes it can be done vulcanising they put a large patch over the side wall from the beed to the top of the tyre and weld it into place by melting the rubber to the tyre. (inside)
Seen it done year\'s ago most second hand tyre shops will have one.
However they never ballance up right, i wouldn\'t want one on my car, we used to fit tubes to tyres when this happened but they stopped fitting tubes.
Best buy new tyres and catch the scum that did this and poke him with the same tool!
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Update.
Went to the tyre place this PM with one of the punctured tyres in the boot. Managed to find the chap I spoke to on Tuesday PM, asked about the repair he had mentioned during the phone call and offered to show him the tyre.
" Ah--- yes--- well--- you see--- the thing of it is----- we just got a memo from head office saying we are not sending anymore tyres for major repair, blah, blah, blah. "
" Yeh right " thinks I.
So, its back to my original question in the hope that someone in the Backroom can throw more light on the matter. Perhaps, what constitutes a " Major repair " or any information as to a company that does this type of work?
Thanks to bigtee for the reply.
Thank you.
Edited by Petel on 06/03/2008 at 21:09
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Sidewall repairs not legal!
tinyurl.com/yrws2e
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Im not saying there legal but they can be done.
I worked for a fast fit garage some 14yrs ago and wages were very poor lets just say good tyres came off and we sold them to second hand tyre shops & they didn't mind tyres with side wall punctures.
They repaired them with either a tube patch which is flexible if a small hole or a side wall patch if larger, these things still go on i don't wear blinkers!
Weather it's legal or not it still goes on have a trip into a second hand tyre shop and examine the tyres you will see side wall patches, end of the day it's up to you, but after a few more years experiance new tyres are for me!.
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My thanks again to AS.
I had that illustration from a different website but it did not have the text above it, so much appreciated.
Thanks again to Bigtee.
Appreciate your input and am by no means surprised by your comments. I fully aggree with your comment re new tyres and as stated, the tyres in question have already been replaced with brand new.
Thanks again.
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Sidewall repairs not legal!
tinyurl.com/yrws2e
Where does this say it is not legal? it only defines it as a 'major repair' if it is in the side wall.
This presumably means that it cannot be legally repaired using the simple plug technique with cold vulcanising. Most tyre retailers will tell you that they cannot (ie not allowed to) repair, although I would suggest that factory repairs are allowed, subject to complying with the BS, are acceptable. It suits the retailer to only give half the story, as it his job is to sell new tyres. However I cannot find any web info on this.
Not that I would want one!
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Many moons ago, before and after leaving school i worked for a tyre repair specialist (gone like so many others), we could repair all sorts of tyre damage.
To be fair car tyres unless by nail/ puncture damage are not paticularly cost effective for proper expert repair, the vast majority of repair work is for the haulage, agricultural and heavy plant industries.
Please do not confuse a tyre fitter putting a patch or plugging a nail hole with a larger version of a cycle tyre repair kit, to a professional repair using specialist techniques to cut out the damaged section and vulcanise a strong and multi layered patch to the carcase of the tyre, which also has the outside damage filled with raw rubber and ground down/regrooved to make an almost invisible repair(the cosmetic finishing done after vulcanising).
The whole tyre is then cooked in a mould appropriate for the tyre in question.
Its many years since i worked in the tyre game, but these people are one of the foremost in the business, and i used to work with one of the directors (he's worked up from the shop floor), if you want more info, i'm sure they would give you some advice.
tinyurl.com/yt3m6q
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Hey, its good to hear that some one knows about tyre repairs and not just wafflin on as if they do quoting bs numbers.( out of date ones at that) i have my own business repairing tyres for garages, hauliers and earthmover contractors,this is my 12th year of doing major repairs i started of in a tyre retread plant where i was taught my trade an was sent on many courses to keep up to date with changes, i repair car tyres simply because you cant go to a tyre dealer and tell them you will do their work but dont want their car tyres only the tyres that will make money you got to have the crap with the cream to put it bluntly, its all in the service...
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Thank you Jackyboy, appreciate you input.
Petel the OP
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BS 159 says, quote:-
"BS159 dictates that in order for a tyre to qualify for repair, a number of factors must be checked. The damage to the tyre must be in the tread, not the wall."
Most BR members seem to say that they would never use a tyre with repaired sidewall damage so why all the angst about whether it is legal or not? In fact it isn't but it isn't sensible either!
Edited by Armitage Shanks {p} on 08/03/2008 at 14:26
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Many thanks to all who have contributed to this thread. The input was much appreciated.
Thank you and regards, Petel
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In Africa , people ussually repair the sidewall tyres with no futther problem . A big patch , professionally installed , and running at the right pressures and you ll find no problem at all
Edited by Webmaster on 11/03/2008 at 02:15
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it depends on the way the damage is , radial ( up & down ) or across the sidewall, up & down is usually repairable but across the cords means loss of structural strength, try Reply tyre repairs at ely in cambridgshire,
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It is not illegal to repair the sidewall of a tyre as long as it is done properly ( vulcanised) i make my living doing this. car, truck 4x4 and even large earthmover tyres can all be done. im sure my insurance company wouldnt entertain me if it wasnt,
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Which part of the country are you based in JB ?
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based at Soham,ely cambridgeshire,
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Oh well never mind, I just thought if you were near me and I ever needed your help.......I'm in Cheshire so it might not be wonderfully economical for either of us !
Good to know that these repairs are possible. I've binned a couple of otherwise good tyres in the past due to sidewall damage.
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No problem,check your yellow pages under tyre repair & retreading you might get lucky.
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Tyre place up the road from me(chelmsford,essex)advertizes sidewall repairs.
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make sure it is a vulcanised repair as the law states that all penetrations must be filled and the unit (patch) is reinforced to replace the strength lost due to injury.
replytyrerepairs@hotmail.com
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What would a typical tyre wall repair on a regular sized car tyre cost?
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Hello Jackyboy and thank you for your input.
The punctures in my case were not ( subject to closer examination ) up/down or side/side, they were nail or spike, tyres are near new Bridgestone 145/65x14.
Thank you, Petel the OP
Edited by Petel on 18/08/2008 at 00:20
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Nail or spike, not a problem. i repaired a full set of tyres for a girl who"s x boyfriend used a dart to put a hole in the sidewall of all four tyres she was pleased untill a few weeks later he done it again, once again i repaired them but explained that i could only put 2 repairs in each tyre. he didnt do it again,, so far
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I usually charge £10-£15 per tyre ,insured n guaranteed, then the tyre companys usually put their handling fee on top
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Thank you Jackyboy, wish I was closer to Cambridgeshire.
Regards.
Edited by Petel on 19/08/2008 at 19:16
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We send all of our 'badly' punctured tyres for major repair, and I guess that jackyboy is in this business.
It's a trade business really, and our repairer assesses the damage, the mileage left in the tyre, cost of repair (usually £10 - £20) and then repairs it or returns the tyre as uneconomic to repair. They reject most sidewall damage, and any cosmetic repairs they do make to the tread or sidewall are undetectable.
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Do they still sell remould tyres for car's?
When i fitted them 20+ yrs ago i have seen them with the tread falling off & badly twisted.
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yes they are still about but with the market flooded with cheap tyres from out east there is no point in buyin a second life tyre.
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thats the way it should be done, at the end of the day its got to be viable for both parties, side walls take extra special care so take a little longer meaning why spend the time on one tyre(sidewall) when you can do two easy ones(crown) and get more money for the company ? a lot depends on how busy the repairer is at that time.
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After having a non repairable tyre (sidewall damage) by normal means (cold vulcanization or patch), and what with it being a very unusual tyre (winter tyre that had only been used for a month) that I couldn't find a replacement for (in the whole of Europe) I was thinking I may have to go back to using my summer tyres, which is not advisable on a mid engined, rear wheel drive MR2 in the snow and ice we've been having lately. Using a vague idea of something called hot vulcanization, or major tyre repair I found this website and noticed Jackyboy's comments. Luckily for me Jackyboy was within an hours drive, and after a quick chat I took my stripped tyre up to him to get repaired. I was very impressed with the professionalism, speed and cost involved in getting the work done and the repaired tyre has been problem free. Will definitely use Jackyboy again (although I'm hoping not for the foreseeable future!) and would have no hesitation recommending his services to any one else. Hope that this information helps other people who are in a similar position to me.
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Do you have contact details for jackyboy?
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07702 139818 reply tyre repairs
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After having a non repairable tyre (sidewall damage) by normal means (cold vulcanization or patch), and what with it being a very unusual tyre (winter tyre that had only been used for a month) that I couldn't find a replacement for (in the whole of Europe) I was thinking I may have to go back to using my summer tyres, which is not advisable on a mid engined, rear wheel drive MR2 in the snow and ice we've been having lately. Using a vague idea of something called hot vulcanization, or major tyre repair I found this website and noticed Jackyboy's comments. Luckily for me Jackyboy was within an hours drive, and after a quick chat I took my stripped tyre up to him to get repaired. I was very impressed with the professionalism, speed and cost involved in getting the work done and the repaired tyre has been problem free. Will definitely use Jackyboy again (although I'm hoping not for the foreseeable future!) and would have no hesitation recommending his services to any one else. Hope that this information helps other people who are in a similar position to me.
For anyone in nottinghamshire and derbyshire google "robs heanor tyres" ive just had two tyres Hot Vulcanised. Both were screws on the curve where the tread finishes and the sidewall starts £24 per repair
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After having a non repairable tyre (sidewall damage) by normal means (cold vulcanization or patch), and what with it being a very unusual tyre (winter tyre that had only been used for a month) that I couldn't find a replacement for (in the whole of Europe) I was thinking I may have to go back to using my summer tyres, which is not advisable on a mid engined, rear wheel drive MR2 in the snow and ice we've been having lately. Using a vague idea of something called hot vulcanization, or major tyre repair I found this website and noticed Jackyboy's comments. Luckily for me Jackyboy was within an hours drive, and after a quick chat I took my stripped tyre up to him to get repaired. I was very impressed with the professionalism, speed and cost involved in getting the work done and the repaired tyre has been problem free. Will definitely use Jackyboy again (although I'm hoping not for the foreseeable future!) and would have no hesitation recommending his services to any one else. Hope that this information helps other people who are in a similar position to me.
For anyone in nottinghamshire and derbyshire google "robs heanor tyres" ive just had two tyres Hot Vulcanised. Both were screws on the curve where the tread finishes and the sidewall starts £24 per repair
I had a puncture in the shoulder of an almost new avon zv5 i was told cant be repaired i found this thread contacted Jack at reply tyres. sent the tyre to him he made a first class job of the repair £20.00 i had the tyre picked up and delivered to my home Jack is very helpfull and will do his best for you thanks jack i wikk use again if the need arises.
replytyres 25 New Town Rd, Ely, Cambridgeshire, CB6 3TF
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I don´t think you should have printed his address if he is doing something illegal then he is in for a quick call.
I have had a quick look at various guides to repairing tyres and everyone states that a sidewall must not be repaired.
Edited by Collos25 on 21/12/2012 at 17:35
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collos25 im afraid your wrong , i make my living doing repairs as i have done the past 15 years for tyre companies, garages and other companys, im sure if it was illegal my insurance company might have somthing to say about it i have had an insurance underwriter watch the process and was happy that it was done to their satisfaction. i think your not reading your various guides properly. i dont do plug repairs, my repairs are all vulcanised, the way they should be.ordinary garages cant do hot cure repairs as most dont have the equipment or know how thats why they send them off to a tyre repair specialist company...
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Yo, happy new year Jackyboy, glad you and the few than can are still fixing tyres up the proper way.
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Surely whether the tyre is weakened or not depends on the size of the puncture?
Some lowlife has punctured at least two of my tyres in the sidewalls using something like a needle or a dart. The tyres can be inflated OK but of course there are slow punctures which initially are not noticed. The leaks can only be found by immersing the tyre in water or by using a wet sponge on the sidewall. Presumably the attack was done this way in the hope of causing an accident or of getting me stranded far from home. Long experience however shows that slimy cowardly attacks such as these are par for the course nowadays in the far southwest. Of course it doesn't help when the council uses the town which used to have low-crime figures, as a gulag.
Tractor tyre sealant such as OKO should seal the slow punctures although it would get centrifuged to the tread area where it is not required. Superglue forced into the holes might work but it should not be necessary to live like this.
Possibly custom made wheel clamps that cover as much of the tyre as possible could be used to hinder this type of attack but the scumbags might just petrol-bomb the car.
The culprits may well be drug-addicts who frequently have chips on their shoulders because they have no money. I just wish that there was a team of Vigilantes available for hire!
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