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Tonight at 21:00 hrs on BBC 1. Could be interesting.
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On my TV, it is about perverts.
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9.00pm across the network according to Auntie's website.
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Sorry, my mistake I thought it was on now, it must be this new watch I got for christmas!
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Seems incredibly London-centric at the moment. Hope it's going to get a bit more balanced.
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Lets hope mr speccy jeep driver has a heart attack.
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Is that the stuff about crazed cyclists I was just watching?
I love the fuzz with blues & twos on their bikes.
Gotta be good for the calf development of the toerag classes.
I saw a whole mass of bicyclists and bike fuzz after dark at the top end of Leather Lane earlier this year. Hundreds of the so-and-sos all over the road. Almost makes you slow down to the speed limit innit? Just as well we all lead charmed lives fingers crossed so far ...
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Bit provocative, and full of moany malcontents.
That Jeep driver...incredible.
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Yes a bit of "licence" on the part of the producers to exploit situations. However I do believe that many of the opinions expressed, especially by the ones on the school runs, are sadly, to be believed.
Re the cyclists, I have cycled to work a few times. I find it unbelievable that anyone would cycle in a town like this without helmet and hi-vis clothing.
I have to admit I can see the argument from the cyclists point of view re jumping red lights.
If I get to red lights and stop with my foot on the pavement, vehicles will pull up beside me and when lights change to green, I then have a "fight" for space with them.
If I stop in the middle of the lane, then I hold up all the traffic.
However, if I go to the front of the queue and move through the red lights and then can get a decent speed up so that the vehicles can overtake me an awful lot easier. But obviously jumping red lights has issues all to itself as highlighted on the program.
Incidentally, all the kids being used as a barricade against the cyclists - how stupid was that? What parent said, "yes feel free to use my kid to block someone doing up to 30mph on a bike just to prove a point?"
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Quite interesting at some points. Agree with you AE about the jeep driver.
At least the naked cyclists had somewhere to park their bikes ;-)
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the bloke in the silver van amazed me .driveing 400 yrds to take 3 children to school.it must take him longer to turn and park... but he said oh i can take my dog with us.. you cant make it up
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A programme with an agenda about people with an agenda. Preparing the public for another 'initiative'.
You missed an exceptionally good film on BBC2 watching that.
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It was a horrible programme. It really is horrible down south.
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I didn't see much of it except the last 5 minutes, I felt like going for a drive and engaging in Pagan worship of the Angel of the North just based on the little bit that I did catch. :-)
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I watched the first ten or fifteen minutes before I gave up.
What I did see appeared to be so contrived and artificial as to make it not worth watching.
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Was watching Channel 4 so saw 4x3 minutes of this programme during C4 ad breaks - this was 3x3 minutes too many.
The guy filming bad driving with commentary needs to get out LESS and remember the following:
?Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain but it takes character and self control to be understanding and forgiving.? Dale Carnegie.
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What film was on BBC 2?
I didn't watch it 'cos I don't have TV, but I agree with the points made here about cyclists - I commute a fair bit on a push bike (well, when the weather's nice) and I never go out without at least two lights front and rear and a hi-viz jacket. Common sense really, you wouldn't drive your car with the lights off.
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I used to cycle alot, so came to the programme 'primed' in favour of the cyclists, but found myself thinking that the cyclists (mostly) had a curious admixure of naivety & arrogance.
Cycling in cities is all about road positioning & anticipation, not 'rights' or expectations of highway code adherence. Indeed, well judged infringements by cyclists of the highway code is the only way, in many circumstances, to be safe. It's sensible to expect right/left-turning into your path & plan for it. It's sensible to expect a lorry/bus/car not to be able to give you wobble room in cities - so plan for that. Never pull alongside traffic at a halt - be either in front (pref. in the centre of lane) or behind (again, centre of lane or blocking any possible right turn)
Any crossroads that presents a big danger - get off & push across or use a pedestrian crossing point - (pushing not cycling of course if many pedestrians) - just lose a few seconds.
Use 'uncontested' pavement - it's safer for all, but don't speed. Find alternative routes that allow you to control how traffic passes you - dual lane city 'A' roads are most dangerous, vehicles will attempt to use both lanes while passing you - so close shaves will be inevtiable. I could go on...
The vehicle drivers didn't seem too bad to me - obviously they're going to be uptight - but if they really wanted to avoid the jams it seems most had alternatives but they still chose to drive - so not much sympathy from me. Pedestrian crossing problems seemed mostly down to trafiic planners not doing their jobs in phasing pedestrian transits properly.
The old boy trying to get to the synagogue faced a right palaver having to use the bus.
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Indeed well judged infringements by cyclists of the highway code is the only way in many circumstances to be safe....
I trust you don't include 'shooting' red traffic lights among these... :-(
The sheer arrogance of those stopped for doing so beggared belief.....
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Indeed well judged infringements by cyclists of the highway code is the only way in many circumstances to be safe....
I trust you don't include 'shooting' red traffic lights among these... :-(
I would tend to ( ..and used to..) get off and 'scoot' across some (awkward/dangerous) traffic lights - not to save time, but to avoid hazardous right/left turning traffic.
In fact, all-in-all, I found my 'city' cycling much safer than extra-urban or country road cycling. You've got much more control ( paradoxically, almost) cycling in cities or congested towns. Where I live now (in the sticks) I wouldn't consider anything but the most quiet lanes for a jaunt - certainly wouldn't cycle along country A/B roads for utility reasons. Although city/urban drivers get some stick, they were/are at least, more aware & slow moving than head-in-the-clouds country types.
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I watched the first ten or fifteen minutes before I gave up.
You're lucky !
I wasted an entire hour of my life watching this irrelevant 'London-centric' drivell. It didn't even concentrat on the real road-rage, ie the one where so many drivers want to murder other drivers because of minor motoring errors.
What a load of old BBC rubbish !
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It was a horrible programme. It really is horrible down south.
Hams, this was all about london, theyre not civilised like us down southers.
CBG
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He wasn't just a bloke he's a doctor (who should really know better)
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I didn't recognise any part of the world I inhabit apart from the reasonable traffic warden; we've got one of those locally. Is it really like that in London?
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So where were the vast majority of law abiding, safe driving motorists that commute because they HAVE to? - no, we get a sucession of idiots in 4x4s/vans, moronic cyclists who risk their lives to inform the 4x4 drivers of their point of view and alledged anarchist (read: jobless/students/hippy professors) But a normal motorist wouldn't make good TV. Biased rubbish!
They seemed to be an awful lot of airtime given to pro-cycling groups, and only a few seconds to the motoring journalist...
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They were astounded to find 60 cyclists a day running red lights at one junction, and made a point of showing it, and the police catching them, hardly a pro-cyclist slant. This was followed by the children worried about cyclists failing to stop at pedestrian crossings.
Anyone taking their kids to an urban school in a large 4x4 is a moron, so they wouldn't be able to show normal motorists.
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They were astounded to find 60 cyclists a day running red lights at one junction and made a point of showing it and the police catching them hardly a pro-cyclist slant.
I thought it was interesting that studies show it's safer (for the cyclist) not to stop, but the Police dismissed that out of hand.
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I watched it with interest, especially the young naked lady cyclist .....
I reckon she was lucky not to be picked up by the fuzz......
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The "Lets hope mr speccy jeep driver has a heart attack." from Altea Ego and the statement above are why I love reading this site.
Absolute classics - Altea's statement I agree with totally - he was a complete plonker and typical of the London brigade that producers get on TV in that everything bad that happens is always someone else's fault - and I'm struggling to type properly due to laughing after reading helicopter's post.
Keep it coming guys.
are mods aloud to chuckle ?
Edited by Pugugly {P} on 08/01/2008 at 20:11
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What a sanctimonious and sensationalist hour of banner waving anti-car/anti-motorist propoganda, nude happy clappy cyclists or otherwise.
Good to see comments from others that it's simply ludicrous to judge the behaviour of the nations' motorists by the dog-eat-dog activities of inner and outer London roads. The fact that politicians still elect to take London as a one-size-fits-all template for transport policies remains utterly soul destroying. Programme did prove though that those with the loudest voices and thickest skins will get away with just about anything in their raging fanaticism for "justice" against us murdering, pillaging, devil worshipping road users.
Felt deeply sorry for poor lady whose daughter was killed by cement lorry, her story deserved longer and more intelligent coverage than the 5 predictable minutes of emotive photographs and tears. The BBC should know better and leave this type of tat to the independent channels.
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Well at least the motorcyclists were left alone !
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Only saw a few minutes, couldn't understand the attitude of one cyclist, mouthing off at the Police officer, when issued with the penalty.
Can understand it even LESS, why parents were allowing, sorry, I mean ENCOURAGING, their children to RUN onto the crossing, with placards & to demonstrate such poor pedestrian, road user manners.
Whatever happened to the 'at the kerb halt, etc etc & then if the road is clear & safe to do so, walk briskly accross the road, while paying attention to whats around you'
Must have something to do with be these foolish television programmes.
VB
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Must have something to do with be these foolish television programmes.
More likely to do with the TV camera nearby and pointing at them....
15minutes of fame (!?) and all that.....
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As a past cycle commuter (around 3k miles/year) I do not have a lot of sympathy for the young lady, as I don't have a lot of sympathy for people who electrocute themselves doing DIY electrical work or maintain their cars badly causing accidents. Heartless I know.
IF you want to cycle on the highway you have to understand that there is only ONE person interested in your safety - YOU.
Riding should include defensive positioning (any cyclist riding 12 inches from the kerb is asking for trouble - like the young lady), assertiveness - take the middle of the lane so they cannot squeeze past you, and alertness - assume nobody sees you. Yes - I did annoy a few drivers, I also overtook a few!
Over 12 years no-one hit me, I hit no-one (Not even a close call because of the above) and I NEVER felt the need to run a red light.
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IF you want to cycle on the highway you have to understand that there is only ONE person interested in your safety - YOU.
The above is simply untrue.
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It may well be untrue but it is a very useful assumption as a starting point for all road users.
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....ask any live motorcyclist.
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How can they care - they don't even know you are there.
Plenty of drivers looked straight at me without seeing me, you don't believe me - go out and ride a pushbike in traffic!
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