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X-type's seem overlooked miss out on the Jaguar brand which its other models have, and there seem to be some good deals as a result, new and used. Are there issues with it that the BMW doesn't have? Or is it just another of those image things with little tangible to complain about?
Edited by Pugugly {P} on 02/01/2008 at 13:49
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Ed - I'd have one in a heartbeat. Some people are put off by the "Mondeo in a dinner suit" reputation but contrarily that would be a plus point in my view. Those underpinnings would encourage me to buy one based on my positive experiences with its mainsteam cousins.
Edited by Pugugly {P} on 02/01/2008 at 13:48
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Check the X type seats are comfortable for you
I tested one 2 years ago over about 300 miles, loved the look and the way it drove but couldn't get comfortable so reluctantly crossed it off the list, still one of the best looking cars made IMHO
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I agree with Shoespy 100%.
An X-Type estate is currently on my list though I really cant be asred to change the car when it is just fine, worth so much more to me that it would realise in a sale or p-ex.
I would like a 3.0 V6 Sport though fuel costs would probably push me towards a diesel neither of which would be any hardship at all.
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The case for the Jag:
Arguably cheaper to buy (dunno if you're buying new or second hand) and to fix when they go wrong. A colleague got a one-owner 05 diesel one (an estate) which had been misfuelled by the previous owner. The car had had a meticulous re-build from a specialist (not a Jaguar dealer) and he still had change from 9k. Its a load of car for the money, it looks the business as well. He has had a true bargain.
The case for the BMW
Expensive to buy unless you go for a bargain basement one (don't you'll regret it). Cast iron warranty when new, cast iron but expensive when 3 years old. Some excellent dealers, some poor to indifferent. I have to say the E92 has grown on me, in particular the touring, but the E46 was by far the prettiest car. These are specialized cars don't look at anything pre-owned outside the dealer network unless you get a copper bottomed warranty and history. People will say in here that they hate the image and can be quite venomous in their ignorance which is reflected in society on the streets unfortunately.Far less issues with the Jag (especially if you live in Liverpool). People who slag off BMW dynamics were brought up on FWD cars and don't really understand them, or they have just driven elderly dogs on teflon tyres. Don't bother with little engined ones either a 330d or a 3 litre petrol brings out the best, if you get one of them (especially the petrol 335) the car becomes a living thing, more than any car you will have owned - honestly.
Edited by Pugugly {P} on 02/01/2008 at 14:36
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People who slag off BMW dynamics were brought up on FWD cars and don't really understand them or they have just driven elderly dogs on teflon tyres.
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I've had 4 BMW's E30, E36 and E46 variants, and they all share the same feature, ie useless to drive in snow, and a lot of skill required to know where the absolute limit of their handling capabilities. In my opinion RWD is not the panacea everybody raves about, unless you drive as though you are on a track every day !
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I used to :-(
I prefer RWD to be honest. I have driven numerous newish Focuses which are supposed to be the Cat's Whiskers of FWD, they leave me cold, dull and uninspiring with lifeless steering. I was brought up on RWD cars and enjoyed them up until a couple of months ago...
Agree with the snow thing though - I use a Landie for that !
Very much a personal thing.
On balance I would probably go for the Jag. Very underrated.
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I've just sold an early X-type 3L Sport reluctantly because I no longer need two cars and will now share the Mini Clubman that my wife is buying to replace her Jazz; so I have feet in both camps.
My take on the X-Type is that the 3L Sport is superb and much better looking in my eyes to the litter-on-every-housing-estate 3 Series. And that most Jaguar dealers are much nicer people than many BMW ones. Add in the 4WD and you have something I'd much rather drive in the winter.
But I wouldn't have another one on P-Zeros as these are useless on snow!
David
MINI Cooper Clubman D
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On my third X-type privately purchased. Seats have now been widened by 2 inches in the later model so now very comfortable. Commerdriver was right that they were a little tight in the early models. my latest is an 06 2.2d sport with all those extra's that you learn you need having had previous models. Smile everytime I drive it. 45+ mpg, shed loads of grunt.low insurance & low road tax. I have lost count of milage between them but 5 years one injector lost its coding & one boot lock motor & 1 head lamp bulb. best thing about mondeo base is its well tested & as others have said doesn't carry costly maintenance. Its only 20% Mondeo & mostly floor pan & switches . Build quality very good. I have too part company with my latest at 14000 miles due to an injury but I dont want to let go .
BMW is good, dealers a little overpriced
Inj Doc
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Its only 20% Mondeo & mostly floor pan & switches . >>
Suspension of all X-Types is actually based on the Mondeo estate which accomodated the 4WD system better than the multilink system on the Mondeo hatch and saloon. Of course the diesel engines are as per the Mondeo as is the gearbox on the 2.2D which is common with Mondeo 2.2 and 2.0s where the Jag 2.0D has a different box. The V6 engines are basically as per the V6 Mondeos though in different states of tune.
>>part company with my latest at 14000 miles due to an injury but I dont want to
let go. >>
Sorry to hear that IJ, though please advise when it is available and more details?
Regards.
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Cheddar - I'm just smiling to myself and thinking I'm glad its not just me who has had their juices set in motion by this thread !
There's a very nice 2.2d Sport Estate in Black, 06 plate for a short £15k, Franchised dealer job not far from here !
I don't need a new car yet .........I don't..........mine's fine........it would just be a waste of......... ;-) Oh 'eck !
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Wife's car is X Type 2 litre diesel esate... we've had it nearly 3 years, bought as demonstrator and use it as the main family car
minor niggles over that period were: v small split in gear lever gaiter, loose bit in boot lock, one headlamp bulb, pipe to EGR valve split....all, except bulb which i did myself, done under warranty with no hassles whatsoever (courtesy car, decent advice, valet etc)
it's got 17" wheels which look very good, but compared to 16" wheels on my S Type give a slightly more harsh ride, i think ideally i'd prefer the 16" wheels
other than that the car is absolutley perfect for us, although i do drive it with divers boots on, which makes me think the 2.2D would be better for me. Even thrashing hell out of it on a long run, you don't dip below 38mpg.
I think it's a good looking car and well worth the money. I think Jaguar have got their dealers sorted nicely, having had good service in N.London and Plymouth (and i'm quite a demanding consumer).
I understand there's an auto 2.2D coming out in March, which if SWMBO will let me i'm tempted to buy and keep my old S Type until it becomes a classic
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X-Type much better value for £$£
Looks good, still.
Will have a better trim level than comprable BMW, at the asking price.
Won't have to be silver, either!!
Regarding the seats, as commerdriver mentioned. This is something hat I agree with. If you don't need leather, you'll find the cloth much more comfortable & supporting, but harder to source, as too many people opt, r have the alternative forced upon them.
VB
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Yep I second that. leather seats are a no no. I have always chosen half leather sports seats & they are superb.
IJ
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We currently use an X-Type estate as the main family car. 2.0D Sport Premium. We love it - frugal, quick, spacious and very good dealer service and backup. Had a 330i BMW before - had more problems, dealers were, on the whole, unhelpful and I found it a much harsher ride than the Jag which rides and handles superbly. You also get more car for your money - I would heartily recommend.
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>> Its only 20% Mondeo & mostly floor pan & switches . >> Suspension of all X-Types is actually based on the Mondeo estate which accomodated the >> 4WD system better than the multilink system on the Mondeo hatch and saloon. Of course >> the diesel engines are as per the Mondeo as is the gearbox on the 2.2D which is common with Mondeo 2.2 and 2.0s where the Jag 2.0D has a different box. The V6 engines are basically as per the V6 Mondeos though in different states of tune.
The suspension is very loosely similar but differs in detail, the shocks are single tube on a Mondeo twin tube on the Jag & loads of other differences, hence the 20% comment.
The V6 has quite a lot of detail differences, such as variable valve timing etc. The heads are completely different for instance.
The diesel runs different injection systems.
Edited by tr7v8 on 02/01/2008 at 23:01
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I was told that some of the Jag diesels are HDi engines rather than the tdci? Is that the case ?
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I was told that some of the Jag diesels are HDi engines rather than the tdci? Is that the case ?
No.
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The diesel runs different injection systems.
No its the same, though Jag carried on developing it after Ford stopped due to the new Mondeo using the Ford/PSA engines.
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The diesel system is improved vastly over the mondeo which actually makes for a very quiet diesel & keeps steam up till the red line.
It has 5 stage injection pulsing which reduces the diesel knock & is also fitted with DNS to reduce noise further.
IJ
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