Sorry, delete if you wish Mods, but just choking on the news that although the Japanese said on the news this morning, that they would not kill humpbacks, they would instead kill 1,000 other whales.
Would this put you off a new Japanese car as a protest?
Edited by oilrag on 21/12/2007 at 08:31
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Whats the problem if its sustainable?I guess a Toyota would run on whale oil but i think its very expensive.
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Well they are social, intelligent mammals that can live over 100yrs, thats the problem.
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they are social, intelligent, mammals that can live over 100yrs; thats the problem.
And they do make [generally] reliable cars.....
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>>Would this put you off a new Japanese car as a protest? <<
Whale oil ave ta think about this! - must be cheaper to import oil rather than have to use such a hit n miss method as hunting it, unless they are going to minitureise (sp) and farm the Whales??
Billy
Edited by billy25 on 21/12/2007 at 08:39
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Most of the meat/fish we eat can be said to be inteligent and sociable,again if its sustainable,i see no problem.Would you run a CR diesel on whale oil?
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We do get a bit too bent out of shape in this country I think over killing animals - there are another 30 odd people killed in Iraq - all for the sake of oil and we don't bat an eye lid. Kill a fox or a whale (even a 1000) and we are up in arms.
I am not necessarily saying it's right to kill whales because I think they suffer alot during the process but at the end of the day they are animals - we can't really preach to the Japs when you look at some of our farming techniques over here.
If you do decide to stop buying Jap cars that will put alot of people in Sunderland, Swindon and Burnaston out of work though.
What will you do buy French with their veal and froie grois.
Edited by Pendlebury on 21/12/2007 at 08:42
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Dont get me started on foie gras,for me,one of lifes great pleasures,not bothered about veal though.I think i read that York council has banned foi gras,how sad.Would a French CR diesel run on duck oil?
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I eat no seafood. I only eat from renewable sources (pork, beef, chicken etc.) and at least the latter are killed more humanely ? than fish etc!
After christmas there should be gallons of turkey drippings going. Stick that in your tank and burn it.
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When it comes to intelligence the squid, octopus and cuttlefish are amazingly intelligent and communicative creatures, and folk don't seem to worry about squishing them.
I won't eat those creatures (because it makes me feel better not to do so) but I wouldn't stop buying Greek cars because of it.
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Would this put you off a new Japanese car as a protest?
A lot of Japanese cars are produced in the UK by British people. Refusing to buy certain Japanese cars would jeopardise British jobs.
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Apropos the thread title, how much fuel oil would you expect to get out of 1000 whales?
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Very little, they've not got the dexterity to work the chip and pin machines.
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It would indeed. Although, oilrag, I can't find any reference or link after doing a google on it.
Where was this published?
On the general principle though, it would rank with using elephant feet as footstools & tiger parts & rhino horn in 'traditional' medicines. Although the latter 2 at least, have the slim justification of having no viable alternatives, however odious the idea is.
Boycotts have a long & proud history & have proved effective in many areas - they have the moral justification (when practised by individuals) of being truly democratic.
I've thought of posting on this topic ever since the new initiative from the Japanese IWC delegation on the whaling moratorium, but hadn't seen a direct motoring link - a whale oil 'diesel' rather changes that (if it's confirmed) , so I guess it's now a legitimate BR subject.
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Perhaps Messerschmitt could get back into automobile production.
They could call it the Blubber Car.
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Screwloose,
Priceless :) thanks for the laugh:):)
Woodbines,
BBC news
No one else was with Greenpeace thirty years or so ago then, saving the whales?
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Sorry, Woodbines, Just re read your post. The thread title was intended to be read metaphorically.....
(ducks out of sight;);)
Edited by oilrag on 21/12/2007 at 12:39
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Yes understood, oilrag. I remember the Greenpeace protests in 1983-84 well - in fact the IWC conference was in my 'home' town of Brighton that year - the Greenpeace vessel was moored opposite the Grand Hotel (out to sea obviously!) by the now defunct West Pier.
The central argument in favour of banning commercial whaling was always that because of their breeding habits & size, whales were extremely vulnerable to extinction & therefore a whole 'food-chain layer' could be wiped out with incalculable effects on the marine food chain & ecology. Their 'cuddly' factor was secondary imho - I would be just as opposed to say, earthworms being made extinct (..preposterous & surreal idea I know..) but the logic is similar for the same reason.
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Well, I don't like the idea of whaling - seems unncessary.
On the other hand the Chinese execute many of their people for political reasons and we seem keen enough to embrace the Chinese and all their cheap tat which is pouring out of the shops this week.
The Americans have bombed quite a few civilians into oblivion over the past few years and people are still buying Ford and GM cars.......
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No one else was with Greenpeace thirty years or so ago then, saving the whales?
I was - I had my little greenpeace window sticker in the bag of one of the first polo's with a cat. It was classed as a eurocat or something cos it never had a lambda probe etc - just a matrix in the exhaust.
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Mine (stickers) were on a 2CV
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whale oil beef hooked ( said with an irish accent)
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In the 19th century when whale products were still used by industry whaling was a very hard and dangerous, if potentially rewarding, occupation. Hunting these very large intelligent creatures, some of which are predators and quite fierce, from small boats with hand-thrown harpoons did give the whale a somewhat better chance. The modern method with harpoon guns fired from the deck of a large steel vessel seems a bit unfair. It's like the difference between hunting African elephants on foot with a double-barrelled big game rifle and machine-gunning them from helicopters for the ivory like Idi Amin's army officers.
Attitudes have changed on these matters. No one cared much when I was young, but people have now realised that these huge, noble creatures could disappear completely, and no one capable of proper thought really wants that.
It occurs to me that Japanese cars may have been running on rendered whale drek for some time. I seem to remember an eerie singing on a recent Honda ad that could easily have been learned from the fuel.
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Over a million people have been killed in Iraq and elsewhere to secure the oil supplies for trillionaire dynasties. Whatever you think of Iraqis based on the media (controlled by the same dynasties as the oil), they are in their own country and minding their own business, and it was a much better place beforehand. Why should people get upset about some fat fish?
That said, I don't support it, even though they used to use it for all sorts in the UK 100 years ago.
Edited by Hamsafar on 21/12/2007 at 14:51
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