04 Hdi blowing dip stick out - hcm
Family friend has the following problem - pasted from their email.

2004 Citroen Berlingo diesel 1995 cc HDI 20,000 miles has once blown the oil filler cap off, and repeatedly partly blows the dip stick out of its socket, suggesting build up of crankcase pressure. Citroen service deny there is a problem and maintain I am not replacing the dip stick correctly.

Any ideas?

Edited by ho chi minh on 30/11/2007 at 19:31

04 Hdi blowing dip stick out - Peter D
17 years old and only 20,000 it must have blocked up breathers with sludge and emulsivide oil/water gunk. Regards Peter
04 Hdi blowing dip stick out - Pugugly {P}
17 yrs old ?
04 Hdi blowing dip stick out - Ruperts Trooper
I've long complained they don't teach arithmetic properly in schools!
04 Hdi blowing dip stick out - adverse camber
Note that the Original post was edited AFTER the 17years old comment.
04 Hdi blowing dip stick out - Ruperts Trooper
Note that the Original post was edited AFTER the 17years old comment.

?? The original post was LAST edited on 30/11/07 at 19:31, the 17 year comment made on 1/12/07 at 10:23 - the way I was taught, that's BEFORE.
04 Hdi blowing dip stick out - adverse camber
Sorry.

I'll ring specsavers and book an appointment.

04 Hdi blowing dip stick out - Altea Ego
No it wasnt.
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04 Hdi blowing dip stick out - Altea Ego
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04 Hdi blowing dip stick out - Peter D
DooooH. I read the year at 1995 and that was the cc. 3 years and 20K is still low so these breathers need checking something is not right. As a quick test park on a steep hill put it in second gear and let the handbrake off, you should slowly creep forward with 4 equally spaced and jolts forward implying that all four compression rings are equal. The other possibility is a Head Gasket failure and a pot is leaking into the oil return cavilty in the head and pressuring the crankcase. If you remove the oil filler and place your hand over it, it should not be constantly blowing 'excessive' air out on the rocker cover. Regards Peter
04 Hdi blowing dip stick out - Pugugly {P}
Thanks Peter, that's what I thought as well. Thanks for bringing it back on topic. Everyone can make mistakes can't they RF ?
04 Hdi blowing dip stick out - hcm
Thanks very much for your suggestions Peter D. He's tried the hand over the oil filler hole - it was blowing - sorry to be pedantic but how do you define 'excessive' ?

The steep hill test will be done tomorrow and I will report back!



04 Hdi blowing dip stick out - Screwloose
Uncle Ho

You need to have both a compression test and a cylinder leakage test done.

A well-equipped garage will probably have the right connectors - a diesel specialist will have.
04 Hdi blowing dip stick out - Peter D
I agree Screwloose I was just going for the quick DIY test first. The diesel guy will probable detect a a leak in at least one pot and stiff excess fumes in the rocker so a HG is probable.

If the OP presses on the filler and your hand pulses not at the firing ( i.e. exhaust note rate but perhaps a quarter or it then the HG has failed. A specials will idenify this is a few minutes.

Regards Peter
04 Hdi blowing dip stick out - Screwloose
Peter

I was thinking further down. Piston or ring gap issue - though mechanical faults are rare on an HDi.

Maybe even turbo pressure getting in to the crankcase.
04 Hdi blowing dip stick out - hcm
again pasted from email:

Tested the Berlingo on 1 in 4 hill in second. Irregular jerks, approx 1 sec 1sec, 2 sec and 3 secs.

Please thank Peter D and Screwloose for advice.

It is surprising that local Citroen service did not think of this for themselves isnt it?
04 Hdi blowing dip stick out - Peter D
Hi Screwloose, Yep considered that but as I thought there is something wrong the Compression/leakage by the DIY test. If that test is repeatable then I'm afraid it is a head off job. I'm afraid main dealers mostly have mechs not techs. Regards Peter
04 Hdi blowing dip stick out - Screwloose
Peter

If the gasket proves to be perfect - then it's too late for further testing....
04 Hdi blowing dip stick out - Peter D
I agree any decent diesel specialist would do a full compression and and leakage test before taking the off as it could even be a cracked head and of coarse a gas emmissions sniff in the from the rocker cover. Regards Peter
04 Hdi blowing dip stick out - 659FBE
Peter, A note to congratulate you on devising a very clever compression test. I have always done this by pushing the vehicle on level ground, judging the effort required to get the engine over compression. In the days of distributors on petrol vehicles, having identified the weak compression, removal of the distributor cap would show the rotor arm "pointing" to the defective cylinder.

The hill idea is clever because it applies a constant force to the engine. Don't tell the safety nannies about it though - although it should be pointed out that it's easy for a diesel to start up unintentionally if the fuel system is enabled... The Back Room triumphs again for ingenuity.

659.

04 Hdi blowing dip stick out - hcm
Latest Berlingo news from email:

"Would it be possible to post an interim report on the Berlingo posting?

Firstly thanking those who contributed. Secondly saying that pressures were ok. The diesel specialist said blowback fom the oil filler was not excessive, but discovered that either Citroen Service had put an extra 1 litre of oil in the sump, or (considered highly unlikely) there has been a leakage of diesel into the sump. Oil was changed and oil level being monitored. Will report on outcome when known.

Many thanks"
04 Hdi blowing dip stick out - joiner25
Hi I have had 2 2.0 HDI lingos a 03 and a 05 both dipsticks started coming out at about 15000mls. The 05 once blew the oil filler off.
Came to the conclusion that the loose engine cover was to blame, knocking the dipstick and possibly the filler cap out. The rubber connectors underneath had snapped off.
Didnt have any trouble after taking the engine cover off.
Hope this helps.

Edited by Dynamic Dave on 21/12/2007 at 20:50