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Having read Andrew English in today's Torygraph, I would say the Pug 308 or the new C-class.
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Quentin Wilson announces in todays Sunday Mirror that the winner is the Fiat 500.
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I dont see any mention in the thread that (apologies if I missed it) that Satellite TV Channel "Dave" has Car of the year Live final 2007 (yes, not 2008) tonight (Sunday). As its billed as "live" I assume its not an aged programme from last year. The list I think is similar but presumably backed by a different organisatiojn to COTY 2008.
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Live as in the sense of the Norwegian Blue of yore I would suggest.
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>>lists them all, I couldn't have told you that the current holder was the Clio!
That list is actually a year behind! The Clio won the 2006 Car of the Year, and the 2007 was won by the Ford S-Max.
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All I can say is that if that programme was live, then Jason Plato's burns have healed up very quicky.
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Having read Andrew English in today's Torygraph I would say the Pug 308 or the new C-class.
I read that, he praised the Mondeo to the roof then made a minor comment about its interior and then said something like "if it wasnt for that it would win hands down", almost as though they need a reason for the Mondeo not to win which fits with my belief that they wouldnt let the Mondeo win a year after the S-Max even if they wanted to, I fancy the C-Class.
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i lost interest after the car of the year 1979
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That'll be the Chrysler / Talbot Horizon. I seem to remember that the main reason for this otherwise inexplicable decision was that on the top model (only) there was a trip computer - either the first in any car or the first in a mass-produced car, I can't remember.
I have to confess that we had one in 1978 as a family car - one of the first imported to the UK. It was cheaper than the VW Golf that we should have had and it seemed to have more room for kids and luggage. I suppose it wasn't bad for the standards of the time, but it had ferociously heavy steering and we never loved it. It was a 1.3 GLS (without trip computer) and was reasonably lively - we did about 40,000 miles in it in 3 years and somehow escaped that awful Simca tappety noise that some of them developed at earlier mileages than that.
Edited by Avant on 18/11/2007 at 21:37
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uk.reuters.com/article/motoringNews/idUKNOA6310912...6
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Yeah, like I said last Thursday.....
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Fiat 500
Mazda2
Ford Mondeo
Kia cee'd
Nissan Qashqai
Mercedes C-class
Peugeot 308.
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Not just close, all 7 places spot on!
.....so what's the prize then?
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Strangely enough, someone asked me tonight what I thought of a TV programme last night that had declared the Mondeo the Car of the Year based on the votes of ordinary members of the public.
For some reason, I thought that this thread was about that same programme.
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What\'s for you won\'t pass you by
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Not just close all 7 places spot on! .....so what's the prize then?
er,an accusation of insider dealing?
But seriously - congratulations - that is a most impressive bit of forecasting!
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Thank you sir. :-)
Not surprising really given my years of industry experience and the indepth knowledge I have ..........errr not really.
Luck more like, though in all honesty, I did give it some serious consideration - all of about 2 minutes ;-)
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The funny thing is, everyone on here thought the Fiat 500 wold win, including me. And it did.
What was your rational behind that choice?
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Out of all of them, it was the one you wanted as soon as you set eyes on it. It might not have looked suitable for your purposes, but you would have wanted a corner of your garage to keep it in so you could rush about in it whenever you felt like it.
You can't call that a rationale though.
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What was your rational behind that choice?
Because everytime FIAT make a half-decent small(ish) car they always seems to win it, no matter what the opposition.
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...and I should add that the 500 is more than half-decent and smallish - its very good and tiny. So it had to win.
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Not just close all 7 places spot on! .....so what's the prize then?
Didn't anyone tell you that no-one likes a smarty pants. ;)
Just kidding.
Very impressive. Now, if you would just use the messaging facility to tell me the winning lottery number, I'll be eternally grateful.
[edited to use Smarty Pants instead of preferred word.]
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I've had a brief look at some of the rationales provided by the judges. Particularly interesting are some of the comments of one of the French judges, Jacques Chevalier:
FIAT: This - note the hue - is much more than a regular car. It raises a spontaneous outpouring of sympathy in the street where everything is gray, however, synonymous with pollution, emissions of CO², restrictions of movement and questions about the role of the automobile in society. Venue of another time, the 500 shakes discourse and sticks to marvel at our present time. It arouses the irrepressible desire to consume the car. This is not the best technically but it is irrefutable sign that the car will never be a consumer product like any other.
MAZDA: A good size and good weight, the 2 is at the forefront of a new generation of automobiles, heavy least bouffies and now re - with the realities of urban compact car. The few sacrifices on the presentation explained as, on a model also agile and extremely quiet. His dynamic, modern design sticks to all his qualities.
NISSAN: It is believed to have invented everything and there has niches where it is important to infiltrate. Nissan has identified one of the berline-break high, the one that attracts all those tired body classics. It is therefore allowed to ride home and doing good things with value, for those who live in the mountains, the ability to retain the choice o minority but how useful 4x4.
FORD MONDEO: the only family road to propose such a range of bodies. 4-door, 5-door, wagon, this car at the top of classicism knows displaying elegant lines and sanctify the return of chrome. Its virtues road, its range of engines and its presentation does déméritant not, far from it, it was worth a coup de chapeau.
Er, I couldn't have put it better myself.
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I've had a brief look at some of the rationales provided by the judges. Particularly interesting are some of the comments of one of the French judges Jacques Chevalier:
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..........Er I couldn't have put it better myself.
Seems like a (rather bad) online translation jobbie to me...
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(rather bad) online translation jobbie
understatement of the year
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I dunno, I rather like the poetic prose of
its presentation does demeritant not, far from it, it was worth a coup de chapeau
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All though it looks hideous I am actually surprised the 308 was last.
Also IMO the 500 is too niche, it makes no more sence the 500 winning it that it would a an SLR or Veyron.
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cheddar, it's a niche about a hundred thousand times as big.
Perhaps you might think: this is a bit capricious of me.
But then the actual motor would have to be incredibly awful to make you regret buying it. It just looks so charming. If it works properly it has to be wonderful.
Whereas if you had lashed out for a Veyron you would be a lot harder to please.
Edited by Lud on 20/11/2007 at 19:38
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Yes OK M'Lud it is more mainstream than a Veyron and it is cute, great to drive I am sure and yes I would like one - though does it move the genre on?
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- though does it move the genre on?
Does it have to?
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"Does it have to?"
No, I'm sure it doesn't. I would hope that the main criterion for the judges is which car is the best at doing the job it's designed to do.
The Fiat 500 is meant to be small, fun, nippy, cheap and different. Most of us seem to agree that it is - especially, from what I've read, the 1.2.
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