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They're out again.Minimal mist this morning-front and rear foglights blazing.
Edited by PoloGirl on 12/10/2007 at 00:20
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To be fair we had a pea souper in these parts. 50m visibility, tops. I even pressed the Mondeo's into service round the lanes part of the journey this morning for only the 3rd time (excluding MOT's) in 2 years.
Of course, now we'll have to put up with people leaving them on for the next fortnight!
Cheers
DP
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Edited by DP on 11/10/2007 at 10:03
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No, I won't have this persecution of BMW drivers with fog lights blazing for no reason.....
;-)
Because around our way it's Renaults of all shapes and sizes, driven mainly by those in the late summer or autumn of their lives who drive around with front fogs on. I am sure there has to be a design fault with Renaults as I see so many.
Any Renault owners like to confirm my theory?
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Any Renault owners like to confirm my theory?
SWMBO uses ours as her daily driver, so I'm absolving myself of any responsibility here. Maybe it's wiring related ;-)
In Renault's defence, at least their switchgear allows independent selection of front and rear fog lights which is more than Ford's does. You cannot use the rears without the fronts on the Mondeo, but at least it partially redeems itself by resetting the fog light switch to "off" when you turn off the headlights.
Mine went on when I was a solitary car in the twisties in 50 metre visibility this morning, and off as soon as I got to a junction and had other cars behind me. By the time I got to work, visibility was perfect, yet 1 in 3 cars still had them on, as I suspect they will on the way home tonight, and for the next few days.
Cheers
DP
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I don't think BMW drivers are unique in this respect.
FWIW, my own take on rear fog lights is to only use them in seriously foggy conditions, and only when there's no-one behind me. As soon as I see someone behind I switch them off. Leaving rear fogs on in traffic streams causes unnecessary dazzle - and can cause confusion with brake lights when cars move sideways relative to one another.
As for front fogs, I've never found them much use. A better ploy is to use the headlight height adjuster to lower the (dipped) beam.
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Feel better about yourself, JC. The pool of BMW drivers has the same share of plonkers as other marques do.
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Maxy, I have to ask the same question to JC as you did.
JC - this BMW bashing is getting somewhat tedious and actually just makes you look chippy, which I am sure you are not.
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It's ok, us BMW drivers dont mind the bashing, becuase we can feel all smug as we sit in our BMW's in the queue and you still in a Vauxhall ;)
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It's just a coincidence then that the first three cars I saw today with foglights on in virtually clear conditions were all BMW's ?
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It's just a coincidence then that the first three cars I saw today with foglights on in virtually clear conditions were all BMW's ?
They're common as muck nowadays...... :-)
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A BMW driver waved me out of a side junction yesterday ............... the patronising pig!
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Then promptly overtook you with a big grin on his face!
Billy
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In the Mk1 CRV, the fog light switch was so hard to find, and the tell tale light was built into it, so once turned on, you frequently forgot to turn it off.
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I saw the opposite this morning, cars which usually drive with their lights on, driving with no lights in visibility of less than 50m.
It's ok us BMW drivers dont mind the bashing becuase we can feel all smug as we sit in our BMW's in the queue and you still in a Vauxhall ;)
Takes allsorts I guess. Feeling smug sat in a queue isn't that like feeling smug standing on the tube with someones sweaty armpit in your face because you have an Armani suit on ?
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Heavy traffic is one of the great levellers. It's about the only situation where a £500 car and a £500,000 car have identical performance and handling capabilities, and similar noise levels
Real basics such as a light, progressive clutch (or auto-box), a good stereo, comfy seat and good heating/ventilation/air-con depending on weather, are what count, and some £5k cars do this better than some £50k ones.
Cheers
DP
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I think you are being very unfair to BMW drivers ,many of my friends drive BMW's and my own car was "designed" by them in fact I shall sign this post with my own name,
Richard Head.
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'my own car was "designed" by them'
Funny - I thought Richard Woolley designed the 75? ;)
Edited by R40 on 12/10/2007 at 00:00
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And so he did Mike , I was being sarcastic hence the "richard head"
Edited by Dynamic Dave on 12/10/2007 at 20:01
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Best response I can come up with is "Is this my bothered face ?"
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Sorry tried to post this as a post to the OP and not Rover's reply where my response ended up three times !
Edited by Pugugly {P} on 11/10/2007 at 22:29
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Until the subject of the unnecessary/inadvisable/illegal use of foglights gets more national publicity and the police take more people to task about it I suspect that the problem will remain.
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Am loathe to say this, as inappropriate use of fog lights drive me mad BUT it was more appropriate to use fog lights yesterday evening than the countless muppets who were using full beam coming across the (New) Forest. Couldn't they tell the vision was better when they had to dip for oncoming traffic?
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and for what it is worth, I would far rather have some idiot thinking he was cool and using side & fog lights than some Volvo driver using his running lights (dipped main).
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I would far rather have some idiot thinking he was cool and using side & fog lights than some Volvo driver using his running lights (dipped main).
I'd rather they both just turned their lights off in good visibility like normal people.
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Thursday morning , driving cross-country between Nettlebed and Reading . Quite a lot of wooded areas, twisty roads, visibility between about 150m and 300m.
Saw a group of 3 cars coming towards me..
first on parking lights
second, no lights
third, every light switched on.
Out of those, someone must be wrong.
No, in fact they all were.
I reckon the twist with BMWs is to be able to demonstrate you've got the added extra of the "angel eyes" lights , and you can't do that on main beam; so you do angel eyes and fogs, for maximum impressability
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>> I would far rather have some idiot thinking he was cool and using side & >> fog lights than some Volvo driver using his running lights (dipped main). I'd rather they both just turned their lights off in good visibility like normal people.
Tell Volvo drivers how they can do this without a trip to the main dealer, £50 lightning of the wallet and signing your life away on disclaimers and you might be on to something.
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Snipquote
Not sure how simple it is but googled and came up with
"...DRL's can be turned off by taking a small flathead and turning the little circle at the bottom left of your light switch control panel..."
Edited by Pugugly {P} on 12/10/2007 at 18:32
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What manufacturer allows you to turn on your foglights without your headlights? One guess.
Most manufacturers wire up their foglights so that if you turn off the ignition or lights,the foglights have to be switched on again-I can tell you one who doesn't.
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Maybe it is very foggy in Munich
Edited by Pugugly {P} on 12/10/2007 at 18:31
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"What manufacturer rhubarb rhubarb rhubarb....."
Lucky guess I suppose its BMW isn't it ! Obviously I had to take your prejudice into account whilst answering that.
All my recent BMWs have had fog-lamps that turn themselves off with the main lights - I always assumed it was a requirement.
Edited by Pugugly {P} on 12/10/2007 at 18:37
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All my recent BMWs have had fog-lamps that turn themselves off with the main lights - I always assumed it was a requirement.
So did I. My Almera's got 2 rings on the indicator stalk - one for headlights and one for fog-lights. They're mechanically linked so that turning the lights off pulls the foglight ring into the "off" position too. I'm sure every car I've driven has reset the fogs when the headlights have been switched off. Some "modifiers" might have rewired the front fogs to bypass this though.
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Snipquote"...DRL's can be turned off by taking a small flathead and turning the little circle at the bottom left of your light switch control panel..."
That is for the older 7 and 900 series cars.
The later S60, V70 & S80 cars require plugging in.
Edited by Pugugly {P} on 12/10/2007 at 18:33
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Starter for 10.
Which is more irritating to the general public (on this forum!):
a) Those who constantly single out a single make of car as some kind of motoring stereotype?
b) BMW drivers who are the only motorists to inappropriately use their car's lights?
I'm with a) - but then I drive a beemer and have never used the fogs unless it's pea soup. Personally I think they should be removed from all cars, together with a whole host of other things, and everyone should drive a little more appropriately.
But then, I'm perfect. :)
Did I mention I drive a beemer? (and own a Vectra Grrrr... see Technical Matters)
Sorry Gents (& Ladies!), I really couldn't resist.
Edited by Chips with everything on 12/10/2007 at 21:24
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As to front fogs, for the last half century I have used them when it is genuinely foggy, without headlamps which just cause glare.
On rear fogs, I would rather have them left on when not needed than left off when needed.
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b)
Because it's usually an image thing.
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I'm not even certain if the Mondog's foglights work, when I had the BMW I only eveyr used the front fogs in thick fog so I obviously bucked the blanket trend followed by all BMW drivers.
Blue
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I only ever use mine as a sort of greeting to approaching cars that have them on ~ really just to show that I am cool too.
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Oh dear.
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Well its been discussed 8,000,000 times before in here (using the same exaggeration software as some contributors). Thread locked.
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