Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - Hugo {P}
A rare breed these days.

But people don't have cars or drive for several reasons, besides age or disability of one sort or another.

When I worked for someone else I worked with a young couple that simply adopted their lifestyles to eliminate the need for a car.

They walked to work, took the bus to the shops and went on longer trips by public transport and/or taxi. They were both capable of driving and IIRC had driving licenses.

I could understand it if they lived in London, but as they lived in Plymough I thought it was quite an achievement.

It seemed strange that he and his wife bought a house with a garage.....
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - GregSwain
It seemed strange that he and his wife bought a house with a garage.....


Most people tend to store their junk in garages anyway, leaving the car out in all weathers.

Anyway, there seem to be quite a few people around here (County Durham) who don't drive - this surprises me in a way because the nearest big town to me is 10 miles away, and the bus takes over an hour to get there. But, with driving lessons topping £20/hour, I can understand why people on low incomes find other ways to get around.

Looking back to when I was 17, learning to drive was just something everyone did when they were 17 - I must be terribly middle-class ;-). A lot of people I know passed their test before going to uni, and never really drove at all until afterwards. Indeed some probably still don't own a car if they're stuck in some horrible city somewhere. Always handy to have a licence though - you never know when a job offer will come in with the proviso that you must be able to drive company vehicles.
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - Pugugly {P}
My SiL (SWMBO's side) High powered job in Education, aged 44 has never driven let alone tried a test or own a car..
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - Bromptonaut
Round here in Northampton's dormitory villages nearly everyone drives and two cars is the default household position. However if you get the early bus into town you find there are a few stalwarts who cannot or do not. Lots of London colleagues though mostly licensed mangage without and regard second cars as decadent.

We've considered downsizing to one car. In theory the bus would get me to the station for the London train, albeit at the expense of extending my day by 20/30 minutes. However the last regular bus is just after 18:00 then nothing until the bingo special at around 22:00. So I cannot work later than 16:30 - OK normally if I start at 08:15 but not if there's a flap on. If the train is late (v. rare) or retimed (possible at every timetable change) I'm stuffed; £15 taxi or call out SWMBO. Could use the bike but while that's OK in work clothes for the 2 miles in London adding a run to the station would need a change.
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - Chris White
I've got a friend who's passed her test about 20 years ago and tried driving but didn't like it so switched to public transport.

She travels by bus to work. A journey that would take 15 minutes by car (and with plenty of free parking at work!) takes 45 minutes on the bus. That's an extra 1hr every day! Cost for the journey - £3 return.

Gets worse in the summer because we get a large student population in so she's either standing up for the journey or the bus will drive straight passed her because it's too full.
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - tyro
Off the top of my head, I can think of three people I know in their 40s who don't drive and have never done so.

One is a single chap lives in a city and uses public transport - never shown any interest in learning to drive.

One lives in a very rural area and is a biker. His good lady has recently passed her driving test, so they have a car.

One is a single lady who tends to walk to work, but is part of a close-knit family with two brothers and one sister living a couple of miles who are quite happy to give her a lift anywhere she needs to go.
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - Welliesorter
I didn't take a driving test until I was 34 and was regarded by many as something of a freak for leaving it so late. I live a mile and a half from work and still often go several successive days without using my car. I drive 5-6,000 miles per year (average increased by a small number of very long trips) and still think I could probably get by perfectly well using public transport and taxis. The main change that having a car made was a lot more of my money finding its way into the coffers of Asda and Tesco which were previously too far away to be useful.

I have a couple of car-less friends. One is the most travelled person I know, who never had another lesson after narrowly failing his one and only test. The other learned to drive as soon as he was old enough but hasn't owned a car since he was 20, 20 years ago. He's a member of a local car club, which he combines with buses, cycling and occasional weekend car hire. Needless to say, both, like me, live in cities.
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - Westpig
my neighbour, late 70's, has never driven. He had to retire early because his business partner, who drove the van did so (builder/electrician combination)

chap at work only has bike licence and his wife doesn't drive. He had a bad shoulder injury recently which put a spanner in it.........he's half heartedly looking at 4 wheelers that he can drive on his bike licence
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - Baskerville
Even now it's not that hard to arrange your life so you don't have to drive. When we moved last we picked a semi-rural position near to a train that goes to Big Town where O/H works. We have a car because we can afford it, but it's a week today since it was last driven and the next time will probably be the weekend. We walk or cycle to Nearby Market Town (2 miles each way) for fresh food and get the supermarket stuff delivered. And yes, we have a child, aged three and a half. Since the demise of the last buggy she's shown herself to be perfectly capable of walking that distance as long as she gets cake before the return journey. Mind you we've worn out more Maclarens than Fernando Alonso. Despite all this we still drive 12,000 miles a year, almost entirely on jollies.
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - DP
I know lots of Londoners (Zones 3-1) who don't have cars, although how many of them have licenses I couldn't say.

If I never went out of London, I doubt I'd bother with a car either. Nowhere in Central London is more than 5 minutes walk from a Tube station, buses run all night, and as a last resort you can hail a taxi on the street from almost anywhere. I don't like London, but if personal transport was banned tomorrow, it would be the best place on the planet to live.

There are also other problems. Not only is driving in London the single most hateful experience that humanity in all its depravity has yet to inflict on itself, but parking charges are outright theft, and London has the biggest concentration of auto thieves, crackheads and vandals on the face of the Earth. Not somewhere I'd even think about leaving ten + grands worth of my property unattended.

Cheers
DP
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Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - L'escargot
A lot of retired wives don't drive because their station in life denied them the opportunity of learning to drive.
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Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - madf
Brown: PM
Darling: Chancellor of Exchequer


And you wonder why tax is rising.
madf
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - normd2
Gordon Brown doesn't drive because an accident whilst playing rugby as a student affected his eyesight so this jibe doesn't count.
I know of two other guys (one a CAD pilot, one a senior s/w engineer) who also cannot drive due to eyesight problems but you'd never know to look at them.
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - Roger Jones
Is it known that Gordon Brown cannot drive because of the loss of one eye from a rugby injury? I know one individual with the same disability who drives.

From tinyurl.com/22v53m:
Discussed in detail [below]. In the UK you are legally allowed to drive a car with only one good eye. If you have lost the vision suddenly it takes time to adjust, and three months is the accepted period. Notify the Driving Authority (the DVLA in the UK). You will need to move your head more to compensate for the loss of vision on one side.

medweb.bham.ac.uk/easdec/driving.htm

Whatever the GB facts, it seems not unreasonable to suggest that one's daily experience might influence one's values and judgements, as much about cars and motoring as about anything else.
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - Baskerville
Whatever the GB facts it seems not unreasonable to suggest that one's daily experience might
influence one's values and judgements as much about cars and motoring as about anything else.


Over the last 40 years we have designed our environment, organised our economy, and arranged our social structures around the car. Those without cars, for whatever reason, are assumed to be 'tree huggers', 'hippies', 'poor', or, as you seem to be suggesting, wilfully non-conformist and 'anti-car'. Our public transport networks were systematically dismantled during the 1980s and 1990s and the 'great car economy' was allowed to run unfettered. Drivers have historically been given priority in planning applications, they litter our streets with their increasingly large and impractical vehicles, they block pavements, and cause congestion on our streets. They are backed by powerful non-elected lobbying organisations from the RAC and AA to the oil companies and the car manufacturers. I think it's about time that someone with experience of being a non-driver is influencing policy. Non-drivers account for many millions of adults in this country, as well as children, and their needs have been more or less ignored for decades. And being a non-driver does not mean you are anti-car.

As for Gordon Brown, if he feels that with his particular vision restriction it would be unacceptable for him to drive then good for him. My grandfather did the same thing when he relinquished his PSV licence on grounds of poor eyesight. He was told he still legal for a car licence (he learned to drive in a bus and never took a test in a car) but turned it down.
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - Big Bad Dave
"Not only is driving in London the single most hateful experience that humanity in all its depravity has yet to inflict on itself"

Disagree whole-heartedly

Nothing beats zipping in and out of London traffic in rush-hour when everyone knows exactly what they're doing and exactly where they're going, no dithering, no hesitancy just point and squirt. When it works well it's fantastic, for proof - do the same journey on a Sunday, it takes twice as long.
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - Sim-O
Nothing beats zipping in and out of London traffic in rush-hour when everyone knows >> exactly what they're doing and exactly where they're going no dithering no hesitancy >> just point and squirt. When it works well it's fantastic for proof - do the same journey on
a Sunday it takes twice as long.


I have to agree. I don't live in London but really enjoy driving there. for the above reasons. My friends that do drive think I'm weird.

I have a couple of friends who don't drive. Ones usually been partying all night or about to, and so isn't sober long enough to drive and the other is a hippy.
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Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - stevied
Sim-O, your friends sound excellent! Can I come out on a night with you lot? : )
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - DP
Nothing beats zipping in and out of London traffic in rush-hour


Eh? On a motorbike, maybe. There's a certain amount of enjoyment to be gained from attacking the Western Av or Hammersmith Broadway on a bike in rush hour, but in a car it's a godforsaken experience.

Average traffic speed in London is now 10 mph which is about as much fun as it sounds, in my experience. Give me the A272 between Billingshurst and Petersfield any day (or time) of the week!

Cheers
DP
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Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - Big Bad Dave
A lot of my "couple" friends back in the South East can't seem to manage without two cars.

Off the top of my head I can only think of my mate John, prodigiously talented, highly paid advertising designer with absolutely no interest in cars whatsoever. Mid-40s, lives near Notting Hill and takes cabs everywhere.
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - movilogo
I came to this country as an immigrant few years back and for 4 years I had no car!
My wife & me traveled every part of the country (from Highlands to Wales, Isle of Man, Skye, Wight etc.) using public transport only! I used to go to my office by bus (1 hour each way for 2 years) It wasn't at all inconvenient. Then I bought a car not because it was necessary but simply because I like to drive :) My wife still don't drive and still argues that we could have saved more money if we didn't buy the car! Obviously having a car does have lots of advantages, but not having one isn't a big issue. Of course, now I would sulk if I have to go back "not having a car stage".

However, if you are in USA, you need a car before you buy your food [unless you're in large cities like NY or LA]

Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - Gromit {P}
My mother has never driven (she started taking lessons and gave up on three separate occasions). All bar two of her circle of friends don't drive (most don't have a licence) and, of the two that do own cars, one will only use it for local trips and takes the bus or train when going further afield.

Oddly, most of these non-drivers still have a wait ahead of them before they qualify for the bus pass, so its not an age issue. My guess is that, as most of them never worked outside the home and lived in town, they didn't feel the need to learn.

That said, it doesn't help my mother's mobility that, now she lives in the country (and given our deplorable public transport "service", she's entirely dependent on my father to get pretty much anywhere.
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - Mapmaker
Loads of people. But then I live in central London. Car went for a drive yesterday to move a washing machine. Can't remember the previous time it moved - I have a feeling it didn't move during September. This weekend I am going up to Cheshire; by train. Two weekends ago I went up to Cambridge; by train. I recently went to Portsmouth; by train.

Why do I have a car? I suppose it costs me £10-15 a week. I could hire one, but residents parking and living within the congestion zone make hiring virtually impossible, financially.
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - Lud
Wife's sister, academic, has never driven. Nor has her ex-husband (retired academic). Their son (IT sector) seems to make heavy weather of it too.

My youngest daughter (tree hugger and cartoonist) doesn't drive out of principle, although as she's in Australia now she will have to go in cars. Judging by the state of the cars driven by her older sisters she is doing the automobile a favour by keeping her hands off it.
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - Round The Bend
Mate of mine now living in Hong Kong. Has a pilot's license but never learnt to drive a car.

Office colleague in Norfolk. Now 40 ish. Passed the test but found that he was spooked by driving and has n't driven for 20 odd years.

Several others ..........
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - MichaelR
I could understand it if they lived in London but as they lived in Plymough
I thought it was quite an achievement.


Most of my friends, in Plymouth, do not have cars. Even those that can drive don't becuase of the hassle of parking them outside student residence etc etc.
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - Group B
My initial thought was that I dont know anyone who does not drive, but then a few came to mind.

My girlfriends mother has never learnt to drive; she brought up 4 daughters in the days when you did your shopping at the local shops; I assume (!) they could not afford and did not need a second car. Now she feels its too late to learn and they still dont need a 2nd car as her husband is retired.
I know a bloke down the pub who a long time ago had a car accident which resulted in a fatality (I dont know the details), and says he will never drive again.

I have a mate who did not own a car while living in London, then managed without a car for a few years in Manhattan, but now lives in upstate New York so a car is necessary.

I read in Q magazine the other day that Damon Albarn cannot drive and has failed his test several times. On the theory test, IIRC he was quoted as saying he disagrees with some of the questions on principle, and refuses to answer them!
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - Westpig
On the theory test IIRC he was quoted as saying he disagrees with some of the questions on principle and refuses to answer them!
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what a twit
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - DP
Not driving when you have enough money to "be driven" is something entirely different.

Given Mr. Albarn's bank balance, I would definitely employ a driver for probably 80% of my journeys. The driving license would be kept for the Ferraris and the superbikes for "just for the hell of it" runs at weekends. And if I lost it, so what? ;-)

I find it hilarious when some judge slaps a driving ban on an ultra-loaded celebrity as a punishment.

Cheers
DP
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Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - Hugo {P}
Up until a few years ago I would have put my wife on this list. She has a licence but just hated driving at all. She stopped driving for good in C 1999. It all happened when she went to fill up with petrol on her way to work, she was working for a local plant nursery at the time. She got into a panic because she couldn't manovre close enough to a pump. Basically she completely lost it then came home and cried. She never did get to work - ever. She handed in her notice over the phone.

The problem is that I was then running around her, her mother and the children, and working full time. I was trying to renovate a property in my spare time as well and the whole situation became unacceptable. We live in a rural area so buses etc were not always an option.

In 2004, some of you may remember my mum sadly passed away. We had to dispose of her car, which was an automatic. I organised the insurance for the wife and me (continuation of her policy with agreement of her insurers). Wife and I went to an isolated spot with an empy car park and she had a go with the car. To my suprise she asked me if she could drive back!

I have to say I now get on much better with the MiL, who often gets driven around by wife when FiL is away and I don't have to drive her around much at all. Wife and I can both run children around. Wife will still not drive into the centre of Plymouth. Roborough (Tesco) a few miles our side of the centre is the closest she'll drive. I do fewer miles now that I am self employed, and she does almost as many miles as I do.

Other people I know that don't drive but can. MiL. She used to drive whilst abroad and now doesn't, and hasn't for some 30 years.

People that do drive but shouldn't.......

...now that's another thread!
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - GroovyMucker
Wife's colleague just retired. Never married, never learned to drive. Never did him any harm beyond occasional inconvenience, AFAIK.
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - PhilW
I wonder if this is something to do with age and gender?
Of my neighbours, I can think straight off of at least 5 wives who do not drive - they are all in late '50s or early '60s. Other younger neighbours all drive.
Now, if I think back to the mid to late 1960s when the older ones would have been over 17 and able to learn to drive, I can think of many school friends whose parents did not have a car and whose children did not automatically expect to learn, perhaps because they did not ever expect to own a car - don't forget that in those days, car ownership was "rare" (how many of the thousands of council houses built in the '50s and '60s had garages or even a front drive?)
If I go back even further, neither of my grandmothers drove (born 1890s) nor did any of my great aunts - husbands usually did though - in those days it was perhaps "the man's job" to drive?? I remember my Dad telling me that he grew up in the '30s in a town of about 5000 population and he could only remember 3 people in the town owning cars (the vet, the doctor and the county surveyor.)
My Mum drove - as did her sisters - but I think all learnt in army in WW2 and never took a "normal" driving test.
OK - enough rambling from me!!
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Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - Group B
I can think of
many school friends whose parents did not have a car and whose children did not
automatically expect to learn perhaps because they did not ever expect to own a car


Neither of my grandmothers drove and one of my grandfathers did not either.
On my mums side, they did not have a car so it did not enter my mums head to learn to drive when she was 17. It was only in the early '90's that she started driving lessons; she had been working a few years, and decided that the local bus service was too inconvenient and unreliable to get to work on.
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On a different note I wonder how much lack of confidence affects peoples choice not to drive? A friend of ours in her mid 30's recently bought a car and started driving again after 10 years without doing so. She sounded like she was struggling with it, saying, "I dont want to go on a dual carriageway yet; I'm not very good on roundabouts; I'm scared of having to do hill starts, etc.".

On the other hand my sister in law has just started driving again after a major brain haemorrhage just over a year ago. In the early days after her op her short term memory had gone completely, she couldnt remember that she was married to my brother. We were concerned about her getting back behind the wheel and hoped she would be alright. But apparently she's raring to go and drives at any opportunity, she loves it and says it feels totally natural to her.
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - Big Bad Dave
"I wonder how much lack of confidence affects peoples choice not to drive?"

My mother suddenly stopped driving shortly after having my younger sister. She just seemed to lose her bottle. I have a vague memory of her driving me to Sunday School in a Morris Traveller and I never saw her behind the wheel again until a quarter of a century later.
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - Oilyman
Ken Livingstone...
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - Mapmaker
When I was 17, growing up on the southern outskirts of Manchester we all learned to drive the moment we were old enough.

I never cease to be amazed how many of today's youngsters have not learned to drive. How things have changed in the last 15 years - I guess that high insurance is a part of that.
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - Tornadorot
A friend of ours in her mid 30's recently bought a car and
started driving again after 10 years without doing so. She sounded like she was struggling
with it saying "I dont want to go on a dual carriageway yet; I'm not
very good on roundabouts; I'm scared of having to do hill starts etc.".


She could always take some "refresher" driving lessons to improve her confidence. That's what I did... passed my test at 17, didn't really drive at all for the next 14 years, decided I needed a car, so found a driving instructor to help me brush up my skills. Ended up taking about as many lessons second time around as I did first time, though :-).
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - billy25
I guess that high insurance is a part of that.<<


Toooo True! G/F's daughter recently passed test, (wants personal plates but thats another story!), was added to her dads insurance as a named driver of his car until she bought her own. He had to "fork-out" an extra £600 a year, so he decided to go halves with her to buy her own car, (think it's a Seat Ibiza 1.3? 04 model). The cheapest insurance she could get was £1600!!, (17 yr old).
Best thing is, she had only been on dads insurance for about 3 months, but when he applied to have her name removed, and to be given a refund, he was informed that they do not give monetery refunds, but would deduct what was due from his premium whjen he next renewed it with them!!...and there was a £25 admin fee!!.....bloomin cheek!!

Billy

Oh! and in keeping with the thread, I dont drive now, (although i can!) saving £££££'s! ;-)
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - ukbeefy
I think it's the classic thing that you assume instantly that everyone is broadly the same without realising that in fact there are large chunks of the population who aren't suburban living, home owning, double income families with passports, taking foreign holidays and the same tastes on what they spend their money on (eg obsessing about a new car). I do wish some newspapers that I won't name would stop assuming that everyone is in fact the same and the overuse of the "hard working" and "families" in one sentence to talk about something that actually affects us all eg tax rises, fuel duty, mortgage rates etc etc gets on my goat....


I don't have a car, owned one from 17 to 24 then had a pretty serious crash (no one hurt but created the only 12ft long Honda Accord...) and suddenly realised that I had only needed to use the car for 2 days in the past 4 mths (Christmas and Boxing Day) and therefore had a sudden attack of logic and decided to do without.

Now not owned one for 13 years and can't ever really seeing me buy one - costs for me have now gone up to much (insurance is now prohibitive as no driving/insurance history), car tax up, residents parking (now likely to hit £200 in my parts for a half decent car) when less than 5 years ago there was none.

Plus living in london in what the marketeers call a "gentrified multi ethnic area" I am quite relieved at not having to check each morning the car has not been scratched/broken into/hit by some passing berk...

Also I cannot ever understand quite where people get the money from for a nearly new car.

Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - PhilW
beefy
"living in London" Yes, but a lot of us don't have such easy access to good and frequent public transport and have different circumstances. I only have a 5 mile each way commute but there isn't a public transport servicee (please don't say get a bike - I have one but not practical for work). Nearest supermarket is also 5 miles away. My daughter lives 100 miles south, my son 100 miles north, my sister 150 miles south east, my brother 150 miles the other way, my parents (used to live) 140 miles north east, my in laws 130 miles north west. My wife doesn't like flying so we drive to the continent for our main holiday and have a few short breaks to France each year. I reckon we make good use of the car and it would cost us a large fortune to do without the car let alone the inconvenience of using public transport.
"cannot ever understand quite where people get the money from for a nearly new car"
Sometimes it's an essential purchase - cost-benefit?
Sometimes it's just because they choose to spend their money that way? - I can't understand how you can afford to live in London - perhaps my "nearly new car" costs a lot less than your additional morgage/rent compared to my "cheap" East Midlands mortgage? - especially since I bought my house 27 years ago and the mortgage will be paid off in 6 months?
Choices?
If it suits you not to have a car then fair enough but don't "assume instantly that everyone is broadly the same" !! ;-)
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Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - Pugugly {P}
Car I must have car...

Seriously I live in the country with pretty effective bus systems (to both nearby towns and the next villages) With modern amenities such as t'internet I could radically reduce my car dependant after I retire. (i.e. home alone when SWMBO is in work I can walk the half mile to the village store or to the next busier village 3 miles or catch a bus to either town....) but I won;t cos I love my car.
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - ukbeefy
beefy

Choices?
If it suits you not to have a car then fair enough but don't "assume
instantly that everyone is broadly the same" !! ;-)
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Sorry Phil I was not meaning to imply everyone was the same at all! I was actually meaning all our circumstances are different so not everyone needs a car although certain daily rags would assume that "normal" people (ie in their minds middle England, home owning, car owning, suburban living, employed, aspirational types preferably with children to prove their "family" credentials) would all protest at perceived "anti car" political moves.

What is interesting is how mass car ownership has moulded our lives such that many are in total dependency to the car especially those living in a semi-rural or rural location and yet expecting and achieving an urban lifestyle and income courtesy of their use of a car allowing them to be 20-50 miles distant from major centres. Generationally as some have pointed out there were many of our parents/grandparents generation who "got by" without a car generally by accepting (or not knowing any different) a more limited range of choices in their life and seeking their leisure and shopping pursuits in much less expansive ways.

I do wonder if car use will ever abate in this country or do you think we will just increase the number of cars, distance driven etc until the whole country is one slow moving jam?
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - PhilW
I take your points beefy, and no need for "Sorry Phil ".
However, on your point "many are in total dependency to the car", while this is true, I wonder why car ownnership is viewed as being so bad - it has been a great liberating influence for most people, especially if you think back a couple of generations - grandad went 40 miles up the road (by rail!) for a weeks holiday in Scarborough, and the other grandad saw a "trip to Northern France in 1915" as an opportunity to travel away from his village in Wensleydale which he would otherwise never achieve. (It was a long "holiday" which luckily lasted a further 3 years - more than many lasted).
We view other modern advances as things to be extended - TV channels - no-one complains that there are too many, lets cut some out, - the internet - let everyone have access to broadband, why shouldn't everyone have a washing machine, tumble dryer, dishwasher, half a dozen radios, cd and dvd players, central heating, en-suite bathrooms , mobile phones by the dozen etc, etc all of these are polluting and "congest" wavelengths, electricity supplies, telephone lines, need more phone masts etc, etc and yet we just build/provide more.
Yet someone suggests that we should all have access to the most convenient (and cheap if you go it about it the right way) form of moving about and many hold up their hands, quote global warming, (oops, sorry, climate change after that carp summer), pollution, scarce resources etc. Tell you what - how about switching off all television and radio stations for ever and taxing the energy used by dishwashers/tumble dryers at the same rate as petrol/diesel ? Would that save the world?
Yep, my grandma managed without a car - but she also managed without 3 milllion TV and radio channnels, a fridge, washing machine, and all the rest. Why should motorists be the only people who are expected to go back to the dark ages??????
Regards

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Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - ukbeefy
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However on your point "many are in total dependency to the car" while this is
true I wonder why car ownnership is viewed as being so bad - it has
been a great liberating influence for most people especially if you think back a couple
of generations


The thing with mass car ownership and use is the difficulty we have with accomodating the car either parked or moving if everyone wants to use one extensively and own multiple cars per household. I work in the urban design field and designing new developments wholly around fitting all the parked cars in is almost impossible unless people are prepared in the future to pay £30,000 a pop for underground parking. Getting 2 per household vehicle parking into 30+ units a hectare is impossible without that. Higher density development aids alot of things eg walkability, legibility, good urban form/pleasant safe streets/quality of life and that is really incompatible with really high levels of car ownership and use. Alongside this accommodating almost unlimited road space for US levels of car use would make many of our cities very ugly and inhospitable places especially for pedestrians/children/elderly/those who'd just like a choice in their mobility. Go visit the average sprawling suburb stateside and see how unhelpful that sort of layout to anyone other than a car user.

Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - Hugo {P}
In the past we have all had to do without a car as adolescents (SP?), before tests were passed.

I was one of the last to pass my test in my peer group (just before 18th birthday, so I suffered longest. I can't honestly imagine not having a car, even if I didn't work as a builder. When i was 17 I lived in a remote cornish village. The nearest town was 20 miles away.

One of my friends worked in his family bakery business around study. The family wanted him to do delivery rounds. As soon as he turned 17 his bother took him out and they covered some 2000 miles in 2 weeks. His test was shedued for 2 weeks after his 17th. IIRC he had a few lessons from an instructor as well.

He passed. However there was no thery test in those days. His result my have had something to do with his dad threatening to buy him a Reliant Robin van if he failed, so he could still do rounds on his provisional/moped licence.

When I was at uni, I did come across a number of non driving students. A lot of them didn't have or take the opportunity to learn whilst at home, and then couldn't afford the lessons once at uni. A few didn't see the point. One chap on my course who was quite career driven hadn't learned. His girlfriends drove him around.

More recently a couple who were clients of mine were complete opposites. She was quite career driven even in her late 40s, whereas he seemed very laid back. They both had good LA senior management jobs. She learned to drive when she was 17, whereas he decided to leave it till his mid 30s
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - Sheepy-by-the-Sea
I don't have a car, and I don't drive - ever since I passed my bike test - much more fun!
But I don't think that was the point of the question....

Living in London in the 80s, with family in Lincolnshire, I didn't have a car but hired on maybe one weekend a month - worked out cheaper, more convenient, better car.

A few years later, living near Wrexham with a wife and four young children, I went freelance and had to hand back the company car. As an experiment we spent a year without a car - I commuted to work by train on a weekly basis, there was a station in the village which made a big difference.

Shopping was done on the bus, with all the kids carrying a back pack - and it was always an adventure.

We had a week's holiday on a boat on the Thames - getting there by train (Family Railcards are great) - and the kids still remember the journey more than the holiday! In fact, I found the kids would much rather travel on the train or the bus than in a car, and suspect the same would be true of many others.

The downside that I remember was that so many shops were out of town - e.g. Toys R Us totally dominates the toy market, and their stores are hard to get to. But of course that problem wouldn't exist now thanks to Internet shopping.

So - give it a go!

(As soon as the ex asked for a divorce I went out and bought a car :-) )
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - Humpy
No, but I know a few people who shouldn't have a licence and shouldn't be allowed to have a car! :)
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - Robin Reliant
My brother is in his fifties and not only has he never sat behind the wheel of a car, but he has never in his life ridden a bike, even once.
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Need a _ _ _ _ _ _ _ to drive - Bilboman
A licence. To license. (Un)licensed.
A practice. To practise. Practised
Hope that helps.
Need a _ _ _ _ _ _ _ to drive - Lud
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Unless you are American Bilboman, in which case you perversely spell everything wrong.
Need a _ _ _ _ _ _ _ to drive - Pugugly {P}
Goes back to the late 19/early 20th Century that, a piece of American law aimed at simplifying odd English spelling.
Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - LHM
Neither of my parents ever drove, as they couldn't really afford to run a car.

My ex-partner's son - now in his mid-thirties - also does not drive. He lives in Bristol and gets where he needs to by pushbike/public transport (and cadging lifts!).

Edited by LHM on 07/10/2007 at 12:31

Who do you know that doesn't have a car or drive? - milkyjoe
if you look in the island of Sarks telephone directory you will find hundreds of names and adresses of people who dont drive!!!!
 

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