Bed of nails - moonshine {P}
On my way to work I drive past a house on a country lane that has a short piece of driveway before a gate which then leads up to the house. On this small piece of driveway they have what appears to be a piece of plywood about 6 foot square and full of what looks like 6 inch nails. I assume that they have put this there to stop yobs parking on their driveway at night.

A few weeks back I saw a truck parked at the side of the road with a flat tyre, I assume they had driven over the 'bed of nails'.

Then this morning the van in front of me turned into their driveway, going completely over the nails! I assume it resulted in four flat tyres.

I can see the owner of the house getting sued (rightly so I think) for the damage.

I'll try to get a photo of it if I can, although maybe they will see sense and remove it after this.
Bed of nails - local yokel
Up to the line of the hedge/fence is normally the property of the highway's owner. Beyond that is the landowner.

Was the nailed board inside or outside the boundary?
Bed of nails - moonshine {P}

Hmmm, a bit hard to say. I think it was inside the boundary, but only maybe a few feet from the road.

I'll take my camera with me tomorrow morning and try grab a photo, much easier than trying the explain it with words.
Bed of nails - Brian Tryzers
There's more to it than that, though, isn't there? I mean, a property owner can't leave things he knows to be dangerous lying about, even within his boundary. Mrs B occasionally reminds me of something called Occupier's Liability, which would appear to apply here.
Bed of nails - Saltrampen
Trouble with this is that one day (when they have a lie in) they end up with their new sofa tossed into the Garden pond, as the delivery van limps away with 4 flats.
Point is, that there maybe legitimate visitors who will turn up in the morning and you only have to forget to move it one morning ....
Bed of nails - retgwte
dont think the fire brigade will be happy loosing its tyres when they come to rescue them one night

Bed of nails - moonshine {P}

Take a look at the following image form google maps:

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I've circled the area and put a red dot where the nails are.
Bed of nails - local yokel
As has been said, it's illegal to lay traps for people, but I'm less sure about visible deterrents - what about all the razor wire you see on top of chain link fences? Hurts if you try climbing on it, just like walking on the nails would be.
Bed of nails - moonshine {P}

Yes, but the postman and delivery drivers dont try to deliver things by climbing over fences.
Bed of nails - Brian Tryzers
>...the postman and delivery drivers don't try to deliver things by climbing over fences.

Climbing, no; hurling - well, you wouldn't think so. But we had a parcel last year (with 'Signature Required' in big letters on the top) delivered over our 6ft gate onto the concrete paving below. Inside? £300 worth of porcelain tableware.
Bed of nails - Brian Tryzers
You usually (always?) see warning signs on fences like that, though. Same at my children's school, where there's anti-climb paint on the roof edges.
Bed of nails - nick
I would imagine it's illegal and if not, could certainly be sued if it causes damage. In the same way you could be prosecuted if you set a trap in your home to catch a burglar that seriously injures them (although I think that's fair enough!)
Bed of nails - defender
Very stupid thing to do and asking for trouble.If it is on the house owners land then the public liability of his insurance would cover damage to third parties then claim it back I would guess.you simply cant do anything like this with the sole intent of causing damage when many people have a legitimate right of access
Bed of nails - ForumNeedsModerating
As Defender outlines, under English common law (i.e. that made by practice & judgement of courts & judges) legitimate casual callers have an 'implied right of access' to your property, unless you specifically withdraw that right. So, as well as all the usual, postal workers, gas meter readers, police etc, is also includes charity collectors, Tv licence inspectors etc. (maybe even door-to-door salepeople)

The 'bed of nails' property could well be liable for any injury or damage caused by their 'deterrent' - a bed of nails indeed!
Bed of nails - Sim-O
when many people have a legitimate right of access


Who has legitimate right of access to private property? Even the police can't enter private property with out permission (unless on a raid, obviously).
Don't the only people with legitimate right of access be the owners?
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Bed of nails - Brian Tryzers
There's a difference between right of entry to a building and merely stepping over the boundary of the property. That's the implied bit - it's considered OK to walk up a drive and ring the doorbell, which is why we all do it without thinking it's anything unusual.
Bed of nails - Cliff Pope
There's a difference between right of entry to a building and merely stepping over the
boundary of the property. That's the implied bit - it's considered OK to walk up
a drive and ring the doorbell which is why we all do it without thinking
it's anything unusual.


And it's why most people have their doorbell near the door rather than at the bottom of the drive. When the man from Camelot calls to tell this chap about his rollover win, would he like him to walk up to the door or just toss the letter into the drive?
Bed of nails - J Bonington Jagworth
"new sofa tossed into the Garden pond"

Nice image! I imagine the problem will go away as soon as said owner forgets his own Pooh trap and drives over it himself. It probably is a 'him' isn't it?
Bed of nails - Baskerville
It probably is a 'him' isn't
it?


Of course it could be a 'her' trying to get her own back on a £200 a corner 'him'.
Bed of nails - retgwte
re "Don't the only people with legitimate right of access be the owners?"

ha ha you would be surprised the long list of people with right of access without court order

from

the fire brigade for a whole bunch of reasons
transco for gas related issues
customs have very wide powers of entry, much more so than the police

etc

and then of course theres a whole bunch more if they get a court order

Bed of nails - local yokel
It's in Brentwood, Essex - enough said. The owner made it big in Ilford/Romford, has bought his country property, and wants everyone to know ....

(though I'm sure the OP does not conform to the Essex profile)
Bed of nails - Screwloose

It probably is a him.

About 70, nagged by a shrivelled-up wife - and maybe fed up with paying hundreds of pounds to have the fly-tipped rubbish cleared from his drive - yet again.

Once itinerant tarmac layers and roofers find a useful driveway, they'll return time after time to tip in the same place.

Bed of nails - v0n
To be honest I struggle to see how it's legal for Downing Street to have one of them hedgehogs but illegal for landowner in Brentwood, Essex to entrench himself from rescue services he might one day have a need for. I'd say it's stupid, inconsiderate and perhaps even insane, but I doubt very much it is illegal for him to do so. As another example - Manchester city council display appropriate warning next to the city centre and that, apparently entitles them to spike any car they see fit with the infamous rising bollard guarding way to "the shopping alley of the chosen few". I would imagine this is very similar - if the warning is there and what happens next corresponds to the warning previously displayed, chances are there is (unfortunately) nothing illegal about it.
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Bed of nails - Bill Payer
the fire brigade for a whole bunch of reasons


My father was a fire officer and he carried a warrant card which allows him access in pursuit of his duty.
customs have very wide powers of entry much more so than the police

My wife works for HMRC and their powers are astonishing, although very rarely used.
Bed of nails - Saltrampen
Other possible legal deterants that may work:

Line driveway with 2ft high low boulders with enough width to drive past them, but anyone reversing into your drive in the dark may scrape their car, if not an experienced Driver, who checks first. Problem is when you tired party guests leave and want to turn around in that part of your driveway, then you will not be popular.

Put the compost heap/dog toilet nearby.

Ultrasonic Cat scarers nearby.

Mock Wheel Clamping sign.

Passive IR spotlight.



Bed of nails - Sim-O
Surely a gate of some description can't be that expensive to put up, and wouldn't leave the owner open to litigation.
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Bed of nails - daveyjp
I was going to start a new thread about something I've just seen, but it is similar to this scenario and at the entrance of a local fuel station.

They appear to have installed something called 'Drive Stop' which is similar to a stinger, but embedded into the concrete. I assume it's to stop those who drive off without paying for fuel.

At the entrance are lights similar to those at level crossings with warnings not to enter if the red lights are flashing as you will get four punctured tyres if you do.

Anyone else seen anything similar?
Bed of nails - Ravenger
I saw something similar in the US some years ago. It was a special ramp at the entrance to a car park. Drive over it the right way, and everything is fine, drive over it the opposite way and your tyres got spiked. It was to prevent people driving into/out of the car park without paying.
Bed of nails - FotheringtonThomas
(fuel station 'Drive Stops')


I have heard of these, but not seen one. First thoughts are that anyone installing such a thing is on extremely dodgy ground.
Bed of nails - Lud
Gates can be surprisingly expensive to make. And unless you stand over them with a shotgun toerags will come and steal them as soon as it gets dark.
Bed of nails - Chris White
Where do you live? Sounds very dangerous..... We can have gates on our properties down South and can go to bed at night safe in the knowledge that our gates will be there when we wake up

;-)

Bed of nails - normd2
any photos to show us Moonshine?
Bed of nails - moonshine {P}

On my drive past this morning I was surprised to see it was stil there, although I had remembered to take my camera this morning I had forgotten to charge the batteries.....

I try again tomorrow to get some photos.

Daveyjp - I know of a petrol gargage that has the 'stingers' exactly as you describe them.
Bed of nails - billy25
A town near here is actually having "Alley" gates fitted at each end of the back-street (by the council) to prevent un-authorised access to "anyone" who doesn't live in the houses in those terrace's, each householder is given a key to open the full gates for car access, or just the wicket gate for personal access. i assume the E-Services will also have a "master key" that will unlock every set of gates.
Bed of nails - bell boy
. i assume the E-Services
will also have a "master key" that will unlock every set of gates.
fire brigade definately have an E-key its a big pair of hydraulic pinces,saw them in action a few months back when they were gaining access through a top of the range padlock to put a fire out
Bed of nails - Lud
Quite right bb. They can bash their way in through a burglar-proof hinge-bolted triple-locked basement door when they have to as well. I say that with great approval as the house I live in was once saved by the local fire brigade doing just that.
Bed of nails - Zippy123
>>>Quite right bb. They can bash their way in through a burglar-proof hinge-bolted triple-locked basement door when they have to as well. I say that with great approval as the house I live in was once saved by the local fire brigade doing just that.

Not too far from where I live, a road was blocked by a load of cars being double parked. There was a fire in the road and the emergency services bounced cars out of the way and pushed others that were too heavy to bounce with the fire engine. As far as I know there was no comback on the fire brigade for damage caused, which in some cases were quite severe.

Good on them I say!
Bed of nails - jbif
The location shown by moonshine{P} in his google maps jpg image can be seen closer up in Microsoft's www.local.live.com virtual earth.
This link will take you to the birds-eye view as seen from the East.
tinyurl.com/2wrwje
You can also rotate the view to North, South, or West.

Bed of nails - jbif
Sorry. Correction. The view above is from East looking towards West, and you can view from W to E, and N to S.
But S to N view does not eem to work.
Bed of nails - moonshine {P}

Wow, thanks jbif - that photo is far better than the google maps one. The bed of nails is just in front of the white gate, on the short piece of driveway between the road and the gate. When the van turned in there the other day the gate was open, normally it is closed.
Bed of nails - part 2 - moonshine {P}
I was passing the bed of nails today and just happened to have my camera with a set of charged batteries. So I stopped to get a couple of photos of the 'bed of nails'.

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{Original links changed for later submitted ones. DD}

Some of you may have guessed by looking at the second close up photo - on closer inspection the nails are in fact made of rubber! Got to admit, it had me fooled!
Bed of nails - part 2 - bell boy
first photo eventually loaded but fell asleep waiting for the second one.....however the idea is good and it would fool anybody in a vehicular contraption to stop them churning up the tarmac
Bed of nails - part 2 - moonshine {P}
Previous image links are not working very well, try these instead

{links originally posted here substituted into the post above - DD}
 

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