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I guess this is to encourage people to stop driving. Once they've done that, we can all be packed into flats with no parking spaces.
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if it goes ahead all that'll happen is the supermarket will do something like "we'll pay your parking fee if you spend more than £5" or similar.
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if it goes ahead all that'll happen is the supermarket will do something like "we'll pay your parking fee if you spend more than £5" or similar.
The Tories will ban that as well.
And tax it.
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It's all about supporting small shops at the expense of consumers by a failed Minister (more BSE Beefburger Gummer ) and a multi billionaire (I've never had to work) Zac Goldsmith.
Well all I know is if it becomes policy, they can whistle for my vote.
madf
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I live in an area with a street market. The fruit-and-veg stalls have been declining in numbers over the years under the impact of supermarkets with their packaged, more expensive, less good stuff. There are few good grocers left.
On principle I favour supporting small traders. But this measure isn't going to do them the slightest good. Shutting the stable door long after the horse has bolted and been replaced with a Model T Ford.
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I agree that town centres and high street traders need support. But I would have liked to see measures to improve traffic flow in town centres and provide more free parking instead of charging for parking for out of town locations.
It won't impress visitors to the UK who will find that parking anywhere costs a fortune.
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First let them come to power!
Remember, they also propose to raise m'way speed limit to 80 mph.
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they also propose to raise m'way speed limit to 80 mph.
If they raise it to 120 I'll consider voting for them myself.
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Typical UK politics is this.
It goes something like this:-
"Right guys we want loads of money from tax on petrol so it will be good to allow the planners to grant all these supermarkets permission to build out of town shopping centres. Our public transport is practically non-existent so they will have to drive - ha - good one.
When we have done that and there is no alternative anywhere else we will change the rules and charge £5 for everybody to park in these places. What this will also do is remove competition as it disadvantages out of town shopping. For a short while people will pay or starve. Once we have done this we can all get handouts from the supermarkets to let them build on the high street - thus ruining the fabric of our suburbs today. But don't worry Tesco will get the blame. Then also while we are at it when people drive in town to shop we can set up more speed cameras and make a fortune from opening a wheel clamping business."
Ken has just done the same in London. "All you nasty normal people that pollute my atmosphere by driving to work - how dare you - can pay me a congestion charge. But I will let you off if you buy a new fangled hybrid that does not pollute (utter rubbish). - OK so you have all paid a fortune for that hybrid and could not get a deal on it because Toyota knew you had no alternative. Well I have got news for you lot - your not exempt anymore - ha ha ha - didn't see that coming did you - now come on pay up".
This is just life in the UK I'm afraid and we are all soft enough to let it happen. The best of it is the money they raise just gets wasted anyway - or is being syphoned off somewhere in Iraq.
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Quite clever actually these Tory plans, lots of common sense mixed up with a few controversial ideas to get people talking about it.
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And of course whilst all this happens the 80%ish of CO2 that continues to be emmitted from households and business goes unchecked.
All because the useless plonkers in the AA/RAC/SMMT or equivalent cannot get their act together and put forward an intelligent response to this hype and allow it to grow and fester to the point where anyone driving a car soon will be a criminal.
My poor old dad once said that the governement in the UK will not be happy until they have priced Joe Public off the road so they can have it all to themselves.
I told him he was just daft - oh how his words ring true today.
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I seem to remember that one of John Prescott's early "ideas" was to tax employees who had free parking available at their place of work.
Eventually even he apparently realised that it was no vote catcher.
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>>Quite clever actually these Tory plans, lots of common sense mixed up with a few controversial ideas to get people talking about it. <<
Yeh - I suppose your right - at least Mr Cameron cycles to work and never uses helicopters when out campaining or anything like that. He does demonstrate his green credentials. I just wish his brief case and work shoes would do the same whilst they follow him in a car.
Very sensible these tories !
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The rise of supermarkets and the decline of small traders are just the result of market forces. If consumers don't like supermarkets' low prices and convenience they'll snap up any better alternative. I can't see how taxing supermarket parking spaces is going to help anything. Apart from raising revenue.
If you think about it, getting a load of shopping to keep a family going for, say, a week via one trip to a supermarket by car is pretty efficient. Isn't that the sort of thing cars are designed for?
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"If they raise it to 120 I'll consider voting for them myself."
LOL! But not a mile-an-hour less...
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First let them come to power!
Well if they keep taxing everything they look at, I can't see that happening any time soon. Where's the old-fashioned Tory principle of low-taxation gone? I'd vote for Redwood or Duncan-Smith, but having that fool Cameron telling everyone to walk to Tesco and stick a windmill on their house really isn't winning me over.
Besides, the motorway limit is already 80 in real-life.
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Since when do most people live within walking distance of shops anyway? Nearest shop to me is either, a small corner shop selling very limited range (about 3/4 mile), or Sainsbury's (slightly larger corner shop about 1.5 miles away). Can't walk to Sainsbury?s because the route involves walking alongside a dual carriage way with no pavement. Nearest small shops where a variety of goods could be purchased are around 2.5 miles. Anyway, if I wanted to walk; or not buy the items I want to buy, in fact live a poorer lifestyle with less choice, I wouldn't work 40 hours a week for 50 years to fund it.
Don't they realise that it is the pursuit of a better lifestyle that drives everyone?s economy
At least when Neil Kinnock made a pratt of himself by tripping and falling over, he didn't pick himself up and do it again, and again, etc. It seems that the Tories are again in self-destruct mode. Not only are they jumping on the 'Rob the motorist' bandwagon, but they wanted to stop grammar schools and other such wonderful ideas. Almost had my vote before they started all this.
Bordering on the rant mode there!!
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It seems that the Tories are again in self-destruct mode.
Not at all. The idea that everyone riding a bike should have a Lexus sent behind them to carry their bags will turn out to be very popular.
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Oi gavelt! we'll get your money one way or another!
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Another decade in opposition by the looks of it. What a tragedy!
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It's laughable isn't it........i refuse to shop anywhere, if i can't park. I'd happily use local shops and often do...as long as i can park.
If local authorities provided better and easier parking (easily enough achieved by making multi stories out of single level parking sites).......then more people would use those areas and there'd be more rates paid by bona fide shops instead of the multitude of charity shops we have at present.
Parking fees at remote sites will not help local shops one iota.......all it will do is encourage people like me to buy everything on the net, instead of most things, as at present.
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The councils (part of the government) charge for parking in town centres . . . .
Supermarkets to help their customers invest in extra space (normally at the council's insistence) so their customers don't have to park at the side of the road. The said customers pay for the parking as the supermarket recover the cost as part of the price of the goods sold.
Tories as government sees this as un-competitive (think about it !!!!!!!!) and wants to charge for parking at the supermarket . . .why not just ban parking charges in town centres!
THey are just showing how un-electable they are!
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Hurray for BackRoom Power:
From today's TheDailyMail.co.uk:-
David Cameron today began backing sharply away from a Tory green policy report calling for the end of free parking at supermarkets and the expansion of airports.
Amid a backlash from HJ's BackRoomers, MPs and a major party donor, the Tory leader moved to extricate himself from proposals that threaten a renewed bout of in-fighting.
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Food is all down to price for most people. Therefore in the majority of situations the small shop has no chance.
Have a nice day............MD
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Food is all down to price for most people. Therefore in the majority of situations the small shop has no chance.
Agreed. But does anyone ever factor in the cost of driving to the out-of-town shop when comparing prices?
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Like many people I have a choice: small shop near town centre.. drive to it and pay parking.
Out of twn supermarket, drive 10 miles more roundtrip and save 10% of a £30 to £70 bill versus a small shop.
Note I drive both times.
It's a no brainer.
Which is a good description of Gummer /Goldsmith who wrote the report.. either they have no brains, or do no shopping or both. I prefer both as an option based on their past tarck records: on failure, the other done nothing.
Seems fairly typical of the Party I used to vote for.
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If you ask people why they shop at supermarkets convenience usually comes above price. If prices were really an issue shoppers would know the cost of everything they buy then make the decision to buy from the cheapest outlet. In reality most shoppers don't have a clue how much things cost and don't compare prices. I know Waitrose is more expensive than Morrisons, but that's about it.
All I know is I can drive there at any time of the day, park for free, fill the car up and drive home with everything I need in less than an hour. Far easier than visiting lots of smaller shops which are only open when I can't get to them.
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Don't supermarkets and out of town complexes already pay business rates for their premises, which presumably includes the car parks? I don't have any local businesses to support and I want to try and do all my domestic shopping under one roof or in one small area.
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Just another excuse to tax motorists, why can't they just accept people need cars today for work and pleasure. Gone are the days when you could manage on public transport, the system isn't there any more. Mr Beeching started the rot and its gone downhill from there.
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I agree. Public transport in UK is worse than pitiful. Anyone see in the Torygraph yesterday that some rail companies are buying up the old 125 trains and carriages designed in the 1970s as they are more spacious and reliable. Foreigners must laugh at this.
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Just a really stupid idea by our favorite Labour/Tory ( who can tell? ) crusader.
I support my local farm shop and my local butcher. All I buy from supermarkets is what I can buy fresh from these two local outlets.
Why the hell should I pay more because my local shop doesnt sell what I need, but I give all the business that I can do to them?
This assumption that supermarket shoppers only shop in the supermarket is that of an ignorant fool. Infact what I should do, in order to compensate for the extra charge, is save my petrol and buy everything at the supermarket.
And they wonder why the far right is making gains!
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And they wonder why the far right is making gains!
Because there's nothing else right of centre! Thanks to political correctness, being labelled "right wing" is now undesirable, because of a vague link to fascism. Of course, communism wasn't responsible for any deaths or suffering(!!)
I already buy nearly everything from the supermarket because my local supermarket is closer than the local town centre. The petrol is also 2p/litre cheaper than elsewhere. I think they'd have a bit of difficulty implementing their plans in my town, because the town-centre parking is also free.
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